2023-2024 Official Around the NBA Discussion Thread

drsd · Post #561 » by **drsd** » Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:55 pm

eyriq wrote:Black is 13th in minutes and 14th in mpg. Could be worse I guess.

Minutes played does not per se relate to one's PER.

Example: Bitadze is averaging 16.8 mpg, and has a PER of 23.8; whereas Black is averaging 19.9 mpg and have a PER of 10.5.

That is associated to metrics that Bitadze is a starting level C and Black is not a starting level PG.

Post #562 » by **eyriq** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:17 am

Is Wemby overrated?

basketballRob · Post #563 » by **basketballRob** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:41 am

drsd wrote:
eyriq wrote:Black is 13th in minutes and 14th in mpg. Could be worse I guess.

Minutes played does not per se relate to one's PER.

Example: Bitadze is averaging 16.8 mpg, and has a PER of 23.8; whereas Black is averaging 19.9 mpg and have a PER of 10.5.

That is associated to metrics that Bitadze is a starting level C and Black is not a starting level PG.

Per isn't really a good stat for guards.

Black is actually getting more crunch time minutes than Goga. This means the coach trusts him more when it counts.

I do like Goga's selfless play.

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pepe1991 · Post #564 » by **pepe1991** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:47 am

Miami has no business being this good

drsd · Post #565 » by **drsd** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:50 am

basketballRob wrote:Per isn't really a good stat for guards.

Black is actually getting more crunch time minutes than Goga. This means the coach trusts him more when it counts.

I do like Goga's selfless play.

PER should not be used to compare positions. Mostly because bigs get so many rebounds and generally have a higher FG%.

But: it is a perfect metric to compare within a position.

Fultz has a PER of 13.9
Anthony has a PER of 14.5
Black has a PER of 10.5

It is reasonable to conclude therefore that Black is Orlando's third "best" PG (offensively at least).

drsd wrote:That is associated to metrics that Bitadze is a starting level C and Black is not a starting level PG.

What is meant here is Bitadze being compared to all other Cs and Black compared to all other PGs. One cannot compare them to each other; here of course I agree with you.
Bitadze is a top-30 C; and is thus starting quality.
Black is not a top-30 PG; and thus should not be starting. He starts so that Anthony doesn't have to. But Fultz must start when he is healthy. Black is NOWHERE near ready to be a regular PG rotationally.

drsd · Post #566 » by **drsd** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:51 am

pepe1991 wrote:Miami has no business being this good

Boy do they get the "there's no I in team" thing down!

pepe1991 · Post #567 » by **pepe1991** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:56 am

And whole lot players are complaining about floor on in season tournament games being poor to play on.

drsd · Post #568 » by **drsd** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:52 am

Brandon Williams is an offensive force for the Osceola Magic. 29.5 ppg on a 42% high-volume 3-ball. Also 90% FT shooting line.

Why haven't we noticed him more???

drsd · Post #569 » by **drsd** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:55 am

eyriq wrote:Is Wemby overrated?

Right now even Dereck Lively is more exciting for me than Wembanyama.

GelbeWand09 · Post #570 » by **GelbeWand09** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:28 am

basketballRob wrote:
drsd wrote:
eyriq wrote:Black is 13th in minutes and 14th in mpg. Could be worse I guess.

Minutes played does not per se relate to one's PER.

Example: Bitadze is averaging 16.8 mpg, and has a PER of 23.8; whereas Black is averaging 19.9 mpg and have a PER of 10.5.

That is associated to metrics that Bitadze is a starting level C and Black is not a starting level PG.
Per isn't really a good stat for guards.

Black is actually getting more crunch time minutes than Goga. This means the coach trusts him more when it counts.

I do like Goga's selfless play.

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PER shoudnt be used at all anymore.

AaronB · Post #571 » by **AaronB** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:09 am

drsd wrote:Brandon Williams is an offensive force for the Osceola Magic. 29.5 ppg on a 42% high-volume 3-ball. Also 90% FT shooting line.

Why haven't we noticed him more???

Mac McClung is arguably having just as good of year.

Of course, it is only 3 games in.

drsd · Post #572 » by **drsd** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:32 pm

AaronB wrote:
drsd wrote:Brandon Williams is an offensive force for the Osceola Magic. 29.5 ppg on a 42% high-volume 3-ball. Also 90% FT shooting line.

Why haven't we noticed him more???

Mac McClung is arguably having just as good of year.

Of course, it is only 3 games in.

I agree. Two players to keep an eye on!

Post #573 » by **eyriq** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:05 pm

I'm really curious if Cleveland has really fallen off this much or if it's just a rough start.

basketballRob · Post #574 » by **basketballRob** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:34 pm

drsd wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Per isn't really a good stat for guards.

Black is actually getting more crunch time minutes than Goga. This means the coach trusts him more when it counts.

I do like Goga's selfless play.

PER should not be used to compare positions. Mostly because bigs get so many rebounds and generally have a higher FG%.

But: it is a perfect metric to compare within a position.

Fultz has a PER of 13.9
Anthony has a PER of 14.5
Black has a PER of 10.5

It is reasonable to conclude therefore that Black is Orlando's third "best" PG (offensively at least).

drsd wrote:That is associated to metrics that Bitadze is a starting level C and Black is not a starting level PG.

What is meant here is Bitadze being compared to all other Cs and Black compared to all other PGs. One cannot compare them to each other; here of course I agree with you.
Bitadze is a top-30 C; and is thus starting quality.
Black is not a top-30 PG; and thus should not be starting. He starts so that Anthony doesn't have to. But Fultz must start when he is healthy. Black is NOWHERE near ready to be a regular PG rotationally.

It also helps to get more usage. I like looking at net rating.

Cole hasn't been better than Black. He averages 2.7 assists and 2.3 turnovers. He's been really bad, and it's reflected in his net rating. As many passes that Haliburton makes, he only averages 2.1 turnovers. Cole has been next level bad.

Moe just threw up his arms a couple of times at Cole in the last game. One time, he was open, and Cole refused to pass so he could one on one with a bigger player, and he threw up a shot that had no chance.

If Fultz replaced Cole in the rotation, it would make us better.

We'd probably be 3-8 or 4-7 if we didn't have Black and had Cole filling in for Fultz.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?TeamID=1610612753&dir=A&sort=NET_RATING

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Rainwater · Post #575 » by **Rainwater** » Sat Nov 18, 2023 4:15 am

Yeah, we are going to regret passing on George.

pepe1991 · Post #576 » by **pepe1991** » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:26 am

Kings are 5-1 with Fox, who averages 30 ppg, 6 apg on 50% FG on 38% for 3

RookieStar · Post #577 » by **RookieStar** » Sat Nov 18, 2023 6:45 am

Rainwater wrote:Yeah, we are going to regret passing on George.

Told yall

Post #578 » by **eyriq** » Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:02 pm

RookieStar wrote:
Rainwater wrote:Yeah, we are going to regret passing on George.

Told yall

Oh man, you nailed this eval

basketballRob · Post #579 » by **basketballRob** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 1:24 am

The Bulls are down 20-1. That situation keeps getting worse.

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Post #580 » by **SOUL** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 1:44 am

basketballRob wrote:The Bulls are down 20-1. That situation keeps getting worse.

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28-22 now.. NBA fans need to realize runs happen quickly lol