(LOCK THREAD) The LeBron James- 23-24 NBA Thread - 40K POINTS+(Part 1)(NO INSULTING)

[MyUniBroDavis]

I wouldn't go that far, Russ was truly horrible and at least Dlo can shoot the 3

I just am unsure who are realistic trade options near his skill level

I don't see a lot of options right now. I don't know if you can get a true point guard at his skill level, but maybe you just get the best guard available

Logically you would think we should go get more 3 point shooting, we are 29th out of 30.....

We only have 2 players in the top 100 in 3pm, Dlo tied at 50 and Bron at 54. Next is Reaves at #124

But also everyone that comes here forgets how to shoot, so I have no clue. Probably better off going for guys who have proven it in big moments

Realistically Prince and Austin both will shoot better, Austin had a poor start and prince is normally consistent

Gabe is the one where it’s tough lol

[PistolPeteJR]

I don't see a lot of options right now. I don't know if you can get a true point guard at his skill level, but maybe you just get the best guard available

Logically you would think we should go get more 3 point shooting, we are 29th out of 30.....

We only have 2 players in the top 100 in 3pm, Dlo tied at 50 and Bron at 54. Next is Reaves at #124

But also everyone that comes here forgets how to shoot, so I have no clue. Probably better off going for guys who have proven it in big moments

Realistically Prince and Austin both will shoot better, Austin had a poor start and prince is normally consistent

Gabe is the one where it’s tough lol

Tbh throw out the Gabe callouts. It's what, a 7 game sample size where he wasn't 100% anyway I don't think, not to mention brand new team + system? I'm putting pretty much 0 stock into that. We'll see what happens his first 12-15 games after he returns. Probably not returning till after the in-season tournament though at this point.

[JVL]

These kind of games from Lebron are pretty unbelievable. The guy's turning 39 in 5 weeks...

[SeattleJazzFan]

So annoying to see AR coming off the bench when he's easily the team's 3rd best player.

it's a simple fact that Reaves has been better since being moved to the bench. he is the team's 3rd best player, but give Ham credit where it's due. that moved worked incredibly well for both Reaves individually and the team*

14 ppg, 6 rebs, 6 asts, on 51% FGs and 48% 3pt since being moved to the bench.

13 ppg, 4 rebs, 4 asts, on 42% FGs and 28% 3pt as a starter.

doing it in fewer minutes off the bench.



*thus far

[homecourtloss]

I honestly wouldn't worry much about the Lakers' 3pt shooting. The league in 2023 shot roughly 36.1% on 3pt shots which works out to 54.2 %TS. That's well below average efficiency which was 58.1 %TS. The most efficient shots in basketball are at the rim and with Lebron/AD the Lakers can always get a healthy dose of those. The Lakers offense would improve if they just took fewer 3's and ran post-ups for their stars and Rui more. Just IMO.

The problem is that not only do they shoot 3 pointers poorly, but they also don’t shoot enough (last in 3 point attempts per 100 possessions). When you combine this with a possession disadvantage (offensive rebounding, 27th, is worse than defensive rebounding and TOV% is 9th worst while generating turnovers is only 16th best), there’s going to be a massive disadvantage to overcome because it’s going to take super efficiency and/or tons of FTs.

Lakers are LAST in FGA per 100 possessions (83.4) and also give up the most FGA per 100 possessions (92.2); that’s -8.8 FGA per game. Given that 40.4% of Lakers’ opponents’ FGA are threes, you have teams taking an extra 8.8 shots with almost 3.5 being threes. So even if teams shoot mediocrely on these extra shots, Lakers have between 9-10 points to make up every gamejust from free throws or super efficacy.

There's a reason why they’re a -3 NRtg team and fortunate to be 8-6. If LeBron hadn’t been doing LeBron things, you’re looking at a 3-11, 2-12 type team right now.

[homecourtloss]

Logically you would think we should go get more 3 point shooting, we are 29th out of 30.....

We only have 2 players in the top 100 in 3pm, Dlo tied at 50 and Bron at 54. Next is Reaves at #124

But also everyone that comes here forgets how to shoot, so I have no clue. Probably better off going for guys who have proven it in big moments

Realistically Prince and Austin both will shoot better, Austin had a poor start and prince is normally consistent

Gabe is the one where it’s tough lol

Tbh throw out the Gabe callouts. It's what, a 7 game sample size where he wasn't 100% anyway I don't think, not to mention brand new team + system? I'm putting pretty much 0 stock into that. We'll see what happens his first 12-15 games after he returns. Probably not returning till after the in-season tournament though at this point.

I like what I saw from Gabe; he’s not the creator that Dennis Schröder is, but he did defend effectively, and he was in most of the positive units the Lakers had before his injury, and this was with trash shooting.

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[RRR3]

Ham's offense is so bad. Look no further than Christian Wood for an example of this.


Christian Wood is a career 14.4 PPG guy on 60.9 TS% (21.6 PTS per 36). This year he's at 6.5 PPG on 52.6 TS% (11.3 PTS per 36). Just embarrassing this moron can't figure out how to use a legitimately good scorer like Wood.

[nzahir]

Ham's offense is so bad. Look no further than Christian Wood for an example of this.


Christian Wood is a career 14.4 PPG guy on 60.9 TS% (21.6 PTS per 36). This year he's at 6.5 PPG on 52.6 TS% (11.3 PTS per 36). Just embarrassing this moron can't figure out how to use a legitimately good scorer like Wood.

Any reason why this is? Or what is the actual detailed reason in specifics?

I feel like Wood has missed a lot of good looks too

[RRR3]

Ham's offense is so bad. Look no further than Christian Wood for an example of this.


Christian Wood is a career 14.4 PPG guy on 60.9 TS% (21.6 PTS per 36). This year he's at 6.5 PPG on 52.6 TS% (11.3 PTS per 36). Just embarrassing this moron can't figure out how to use a legitimately good scorer like Wood.

Any reason why this is? Or what is the actual detailed reason in specifics?

I feel like Wood has missed a lot of good looks too

The fact that he's getting that few shots is criminal in and of itself. Is he being used heavily in pick and roll? Or pick and pop? Cutter? Or is he just used as a spot up shooter, which is what I saw the other day.

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[Djoker]

I honestly wouldn't worry much about the Lakers' 3pt shooting. The league in 2023 shot roughly 36.1% on 3pt shots which works out to 54.2 %TS. That's well below average efficiency which was 58.1 %TS. The most efficient shots in basketball are at the rim and with Lebron/AD the Lakers can always get a healthy dose of those. The Lakers offense would improve if they just took fewer 3's and ran post-ups for their stars and Rui more. Just IMO.

The problem is that not only do they shoot 3 pointers poorly, but they also don’t shoot enough (last in 3 point attempts per 100 possessions). When you combine this with a possession disadvantage (offensive rebounding, 27th, is worse than defensive rebounding and TOV% is 9th worst while generating turnovers is only 16th best), there’s going to be a massive disadvantage to overcome because it’s going to take super efficiency and/or tons of FTs.

Lakers are LAST in FGA per 100 possessions (83.4) and also give up the most FGA per 100 possessions (92.2); that’s -8.8 FGA per game. Given that 40.4% of Lakers’ opponents’ FGA are threes, you have teams taking an extra 8.8 shots with almost 3.5 being threes. So even if teams shoot mediocrely on these extra shots, Lakers have between 9-10 points to make up every gamejust from free throws or super efficacy.

There's a reason why they’re a -3 NRtg team and fortunate to be 8-6. If LeBron hadn’t been doing LeBron things, you’re looking at a 3-11, 2-12 type team right now.

Good post.

Still there's no excuse for such a big team to be so bad on the glass.

I think they shouldn't shoot many threes. If anything, Lebron's been taking too many. Yes he's making them now but that's fool's gold.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Realistically Prince and Austin both will shoot better, Austin had a poor start and prince is normally consistent

Gabe is the one where it’s tough lol

Tbh throw out the Gabe callouts. It's what, a 7 game sample size where he wasn't 100% anyway I don't think, not to mention brand new team + system? I'm putting pretty much 0 stock into that. We'll see what happens his first 12-15 games after he returns. Probably not returning till after the in-season tournament though at this point.

I like what I saw from Gabe; he’s not the creator that Dennis Schröder is, but he did defend effectively, and he was in most of the positive units the Lakers had before his injury, and this was with trash shooting.

I am only talking about his shooting I FW Gabe, but who knows if we’re getting a below average shooter or a sniper lmao

[toodles23]

I honestly wouldn't worry much about the Lakers' 3pt shooting. The league in 2023 shot roughly 36.1% on 3pt shots which works out to 54.2 %TS. That's well below average efficiency which was 58.1 %TS. The most efficient shots in basketball are at the rim and with Lebron/AD the Lakers can always get a healthy dose of those. The Lakers offense would improve if they just took fewer 3's and ran post-ups for their stars and Rui more. Just IMO.

The problem is that not only do they shoot 3 pointers poorly, but they also don’t shoot enough (last in 3 point attempts per 100 possessions). When you combine this with a possession disadvantage (offensive rebounding, 27th, is worse than defensive rebounding and TOV% is 9th worst while generating turnovers is only 16th best), there’s going to be a massive disadvantage to overcome because it’s going to take super efficiency and/or tons of FTs.

Lakers are LAST in FGA per 100 possessions (83.4) and also give up the most FGA per 100 possessions (92.2); that’s -8.8 FGA per game. Given that 40.4% of Lakers’ opponents’ FGA are threes, you have teams taking an extra 8.8 shots with almost 3.5 being threes. So even if teams shoot mediocrely on these extra shots, Lakers have between 9-10 points to make up every gamejust from free throws or super efficacy.

There's a reason why they’re a -3 NRtg team and fortunate to be 8-6. If LeBron hadn’t been doing LeBron things, you’re looking at a 3-11, 2-12 type team right now.

Good post.

Still there's no excuse for such a big team to be so bad on the glass.

I think they shouldn't shoot many threes. If anything, Lebron's been taking too many. Yes he's making them now but that's fool's gold.

You aren't going to have a high end offense in the modern NBA without shooting a ton of threes, it's the reason why offense in general has exploded in the last 6 or 7 years. They should be trying to take a lot more than they are. They're 24th on offense right now while dead last in 3 point attempts, taking even fewer would be utterly idiotic and suicidal.

[Djoker]

The problem is that not only do they shoot 3 pointers poorly, but they also don’t shoot enough (last in 3 point attempts per 100 possessions). When you combine this with a possession disadvantage (offensive rebounding, 27th, is worse than defensive rebounding and TOV% is 9th worst while generating turnovers is only 16th best), there’s going to be a massive disadvantage to overcome because it’s going to take super efficiency and/or tons of FTs.

Lakers are LAST in FGA per 100 possessions (83.4) and also give up the most FGA per 100 possessions (92.2); that’s -8.8 FGA per game. Given that 40.4% of Lakers’ opponents’ FGA are threes, you have teams taking an extra 8.8 shots with almost 3.5 being threes. So even if teams shoot mediocrely on these extra shots, Lakers have between 9-10 points to make up every gamejust from free throws or super efficacy.

There's a reason why they’re a -3 NRtg team and fortunate to be 8-6. If LeBron hadn’t been doing LeBron things, you’re looking at a 3-11, 2-12 type team right now.

Good post.

Still there's no excuse for such a big team to be so bad on the glass.

I think they shouldn't shoot many threes. If anything, Lebron's been taking too many. Yes he's making them now but that's fool's gold.

You aren't going to have a high end offense in the modern NBA without shooting a ton of threes, it's the reason why offense in general has exploded in the last 6 or 7 years. They should be trying to take a lot more than they are. They're 24th on offense right now while dead last in 3 point attempts, taking even fewer would be utterly idiotic and suicidal.

The 2020 Lakers won the title being 21st in 3pt % and 23rd in 3pt attempts. And in the playoffs they were 12th and 11th, respectively. Of course that team was elite on D but that's a whole other story.

[Mos_Heat]

Good post.

Still there's no excuse for such a big team to be so bad on the glass.

I think they shouldn't shoot many threes. If anything, Lebron's been taking too many. Yes he's making them now but that's fool's gold.

You aren't going to have a high end offense in the modern NBA without shooting a ton of threes, it's the reason why offense in general has exploded in the last 6 or 7 years. They should be trying to take a lot more than they are. They're 24th on offense right now while dead last in 3 point attempts, taking even fewer would be utterly idiotic and suicidal.

The 2020 Lakers won the title being 21st in 3pt % and 23rd in 3pt attempts. And in the playoffs they were 12th and 11th, respectively. Of course that team was elite on D but that's a whole other story.

Yeah, they also had AD in his prime and overall a better team

[nzahir]

You aren't going to have a high end offense in the modern NBA without shooting a ton of threes, it's the reason why offense in general has exploded in the last 6 or 7 years. They should be trying to take a lot more than they are. They're 24th on offense right now while dead last in 3 point attempts, taking even fewer would be utterly idiotic and suicidal.

The 2020 Lakers won the title being 21st in 3pt % and 23rd in 3pt attempts. And in the playoffs they were 12th and 11th, respectively. Of course that team was elite on D but that's a whole other story.

Yeah, they also had AD in his prime and overall a better team

Idk if the team was overall much better

We didn't have any guard who could break down the defense and create for himself and others. I think we forget that. We now have Reaves and even Dlo at times

This team can't make 3s, seems like the shooting coaches here are terrible at their jobs and or the pressure of playing for the Lakers is too much for them

Cavs with Bron were very good at shooting, so players have shown to make shots with Bron. Heat were solid too when they player their shooters

[nzahir]

Ham's offense is so bad. Look no further than Christian Wood for an example of this.


Christian Wood is a career 14.4 PPG guy on 60.9 TS% (21.6 PTS per 36). This year he's at 6.5 PPG on 52.6 TS% (11.3 PTS per 36). Just embarrassing this moron can't figure out how to use a legitimately good scorer like Wood.

Any reason why this is? Or what is the actual detailed reason in specifics?

I feel like Wood has missed a lot of good looks too

The fact that he's getting that few shots is criminal in and of itself. Is he being used heavily in pick and roll? Or pick and pop? Cutter? Or is he just used as a spot up shooter, which is what I saw the other day.

Mostly iso and spot up shots, some pick and pop

Haven't seen much pick and rolls or cuts

Just no excuse for an offense that has guys that can pressure the rim like Bron and AD to be so meh

[Mos_Heat]

The 2020 Lakers won the title being 21st in 3pt % and 23rd in 3pt attempts. And in the playoffs they were 12th and 11th, respectively. Of course that team was elite on D but that's a whole other story.

Yeah, they also had AD in his prime and overall a better team

Idk if the team was overall much better

We didn't have any guard who could break down the defense and create for himself and others. I think we forget that. We now have Reaves and even Dlo at times

This team can't make 3s, seems like the shooting coaches here are terrible at their jobs and or the pressure of playing for the Lakers is too much for them

Cavs with Bron were very good at shooting, so players have shown to make shots with Bron. Heat were solid too when they player their shooters

Yeah, but Lebron played full time pg back then. The only thing that 23 LAL has over 20 version is wing depth