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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#41 » by jaymo123 » Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:04 am

Kerr needs to adjust his system or completely scrap it because he doesn't have the guys that fit it anymore.
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Post#42 » by SpreeS » Thu Nov 23, 2023 6:58 am

jaymo123 wrote:Kerr needs to adjust his system or completely scrap it because he doesn't have the guys that fit it anymore.


He has the most expensive squad in nba. Or players are overrated or kerr doesn’t know what to do with them
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#43 » by Crazy-Canuck » Thu Nov 23, 2023 7:23 am

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jaymo123 wrote:Kerr needs to adjust his system or completely scrap it because he doesn't have the guys that fit it anymore.


He has the most expensive squad in nba. Or players are overrated or kerr doesn’t know what to do with them


System is fine.

We cant run and play fast because we can't get stops. It's not hard to see where the breakdowns are happening in that end.

Kerr is just afraid to make the proper adjustments.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#44 » by CDM_Stats » Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:26 am

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SpreeS wrote:
jaymo123 wrote:Kerr needs to adjust his system or completely scrap it because he doesn't have the guys that fit it anymore.


He has the most expensive squad in nba. Or players are overrated or kerr doesn’t know what to do with them


System is fine.

We cant run and play fast because we can't get stops. It's not hard to see where the breakdowns are happening in that end.

Kerr is just afraid to make the proper adjustments.


I think defensive system is fine, when Dray and GP2 return we'll have a lot of energy and length returning

Offensively though.. our offense has always been so Curry/Dray centric, and guys like Looney and Klay learned to play off of that. Wiggins a bit as well. But no one off the bench besides sometimes Saric really understands how that works.. we're seeing the results of keeping Kuminga/Moody away from the starting lineup guys for 2 years. They don't know how to improvise with Steph as much.. and Kuminga spends so much time in the corner, which is pointless. He's not a shooting threat, so why are they doing it? I have to assume its not Kuminga's idea

Kerr's willingness to stick to his guns is a problem
Moody's tentativeness with the starters is a problem
Kuminga's overall effectiveness is a problem
Klay's defense is a huge problem
Wiggins' offense is a problem

Rank them however you want.. but *some* of these have to be addressed
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#45 » by Zvaart » Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:33 am

i still stick to my guns from last year: fire Kerr, trade donkey.

you can't teach old horses new tricks.

Can't watch this team anymore, there is potential but i feel we sabotage it from the inside.
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Post#46 » by SpreeS » Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:45 am

Kerr won't reduce Klay playing time, b/c of new contract. They are togher for 10 years, won 4 chips. Its like to stab a knife in good friends back. Truly sad...
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Post#47 » by Jester_ » Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:49 am

It's sad how this stupid coach and FO pissed away the last few years of Steph's greatness.

For years I've said Kerr is bad and hides behind a GOAT roster (and I'll continue making all of you eat crow for giving me **** for that for so long) - I think we can now safely say that was also true for Lightyear Lacob and his merry band of nepotistic bureaucrats.

I'm afraid our window is shut. Our vets besides Draymond are bad. Our draft picks have all busted. We were gifted a once in a lifetime shot with a #2 pick and pissed that away in epic fashion. Our rookies haven't been developed at all by a garbage coach who hasn't changed his system since 2015. We've had MULTIPLE young players who were at one point valuable assets (Kuminga, Moody, Wiseman, Poole... hell even Jordan Bell) and never managed to sell high on any of them - in fact we sold as low as imaginable, to the point of extending one a massive contract and then dumping him in desperation.

The Golden era is over. I hope everyone is ready for a painful decade+ ahead because it's not going to be pretty.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#48 » by Onus » Thu Nov 23, 2023 2:43 pm

https://youtu.be/X0BkV0O_FSs?si=E4dMuoVQIQsvghZv

Kerr says he sees the blueprint for success. He wants everyone to compete and not caring about anything but winning. But that starts with you Kerr! You have to play the guys who want to do anything to help win. Not the guy trying to recapture his glory days!

It’s absolutely insane that whenever Klay is on the court everything is run to get him shots to start the game. He gets up like 8 shots before anyone else gets up 2. Like what are we doing? Are you trying to win games or are you trying to get Klay paid? Because those 2 things do not intersect, there is no intersection on that venn diagram.

Also he doesn’t understand why the starting 5 hasn’t clicked. They’ve been the best 5 man lineup for the last 2 years. It’s because Klay is a cone!!!
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#49 » by DAWill1128 » Thu Nov 23, 2023 3:35 pm

Warriors
Points in the paint 30th
Fastbreak points 28th
FTA 11th
FG% 23rd
3P% 18th
APG 6th
Turnovers 19th
PPG 13th

Points in the paint is a combination of not having big guys who can score inside and not having good enough spacing for guys to get downhill.

Fastbreak points is part defense but also just foot speed of the lineups.

The shooting percentages aren't good but that keys back to not getting points in the paint and easier transition 3's.
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Post#50 » by Impuniti » Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:04 pm

It's also piss poor off ball movement. Klay used to be elite at cutting and getting easy baskets. Warriors used to be elite at grabbing points in the paint, now they're too damn old and useless to do anything.
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Post#51 » by Crazy-Canuck » Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:54 pm

DAWill1128 wrote:Warriors
Points in the paint 30th
Fastbreak points 28th
FTA 11th
FG% 23rd
3P% 18th
APG 6th
Turnovers 19th
PPG 13th

Points in the paint is a combination of not having big guys who can score inside and not having good enough spacing for guys to get downhill.

Fastbreak points is part defense but also just foot speed of the lineups.

The shooting percentages aren't good but that keys back to not getting points in the paint and easier transition 3's.


Imo, alot of that is because we can't defend so we can't get out in transition.
Another, is that dray hasn't played. He will find the cutter and even throw a lob.

Our 3 "volume" guys in the paint.

Loon
5.6 paint touches
3.2 paint points per game

Saric
4.1 paint touches
1.8 paint points per game

Wiggins

3.4 paint touches
2.9 paint points per game
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#52 » by Sandy333 » Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:41 pm

Starters are trash. Bench are not skilled enough but great effort and energy. Give me efforts and willingness to improve any day.
Its just players and coach just sticking for each other screwing over fans. Owners are still making money from fooling the fans with same old naratives that warriors can just switch it on and from television rights. Only the fans are screwed over. Shooting skill of Steph and Thompson was rare few seasons ago, but now every team has two or three of them.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#53 » by xdrta+ » Thu Nov 23, 2023 6:02 pm

Sandy333 wrote:Starters are trash. Bench are not skilled enough but great effort and energy. Give me efforts and willingness to improve any day.
Its just players and coach just sticking for each other screwing over fans. Owners are still making money from fooling the fans with same old naratives that warriors can just switch it on and from television rights. Only the fans are screwed over. Shooting skill of Steph and Thompson was rare few seasons ago, but now every team has two or three of them.


Wow. Two or three who shoot like Curry?
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Post#54 » by SpreeChokeJob » Thu Nov 23, 2023 6:10 pm

I’ve harped about Kerr in the past, but that is irrelevant because he is not the major issue. The league has passed him by though. The biggest problem is the dead horse I continue to beat. If you look early on at the decision making, the thing that started this whole run besides lucking into the greatest shooter of all time, was there were very little mistakes, every choice they made touched turned to gold. They had a good group of people at the top that argued and came to the right conclusion every time, they must have had at least 80 percent of their decisions be right or not very far off. Fast forward a little further, their management team broke up once they got KD, Myers was tasked with the duties of three people. The cracks started to show and Lacob didn’t do anything but install sons and other unproven people to the front office. This is completely opposite to what they did in the beginning that led to the dynasty. There have been serious missteps these past years and still I don’t see signs that Lacob has taken to fix it. So I just like to thank him for freeing up my evenings to pursue reading more books.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#55 » by beavis15205 » Thu Nov 23, 2023 6:42 pm

Oh my god, he has 4 rings been to two other finals and one was robbed of him by the NBA the other by injuries. Kerr is hardly the problem.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#56 » by xdrta+ » Thu Nov 23, 2023 6:51 pm

beavis15205 wrote:Oh my god, he has 4 rings been to two other finals and one was robbed of him by the NBA the other by injuries. Kerr is hardly the problem.


Yeah sure, but what has he done for me lately?
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#57 » by beavis15205 » Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:15 pm

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beavis15205 wrote:Oh my god, he has 4 rings been to two other finals and one was robbed of him by the NBA the other by injuries. Kerr is hardly the problem.


Yeah sure, but what has he done for me lately?


I believe they won a title like what two seasons ago? Reminds me of how people are here in Pittsburgh want Mike Tomlin fired and he's never had a losing season, even the hoody has had losing seasons.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#58 » by xdrta+ » Thu Nov 23, 2023 9:38 pm

beavis15205 wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:
beavis15205 wrote:Oh my god, he has 4 rings been to two other finals and one was robbed of him by the NBA the other by injuries. Kerr is hardly the problem.


Yeah sure, but what has he done for me lately?


I believe they won a title like what two seasons ago? Reminds me of how people are here in Pittsburgh want Mike Tomlin fired and he's never had a losing season, even the hoody has had losing seasons.


Sorry, I forgot the sarcasm tag. If I went by RealGM I would believe that the only reason they won titles was that they had talent and other teams were always injured. Kerr had nothing to do with it, anyone could have coached them, he was just in the right place at he right time. That's the takeaway I get from this thread and this forum in general. It's entertaining, at least.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#59 » by Romulus » Thu Nov 23, 2023 9:44 pm

Onus wrote:https://youtu.be/X0BkV0O_FSs?si=E4dMuoVQIQsvghZv

Kerr says he sees the blueprint for success. He wants everyone to compete and not caring about anything but winning. But that starts with you Kerr! You have to play the guys who want to do anything to help win. Not the guy trying to recapture his glory days!

It’s absolutely insane that whenever Klay is on the court everything is run to get him shots to start the game. He gets up like 8 shots before anyone else gets up 2. Like what are we doing? Are you trying to win games or are you trying to get Klay paid? Because those 2 things do not intersect, there is no intersection on that venn diagram.

Also he doesn’t understand why the starting 5 hasn’t clicked. They’ve been the best 5 man lineup for the last 2 years. It’s because Klay is a cone!!!



This is such a good post. And so true. I've never seen a team try to get one guy all the shots to start a game like the Warriors do with Klay. And what's funny is even when it's modestly successful, somehow, the Warriors still find themselves in a hole, losing the game. Why is that? Bottom line, everyone has to sacrifice so Klay can get "going." And now with CP3 starting in Draymond's absence, Curry not only doesn't get any shots to start the game, he doesn't even have the ball in his hands. This is all too crazy, stupid. Is it done to get Klay paid, to stroke his ego, or what? It seems to have nothing to do with actually trying to make the team more successful.

Just one more example of Kerr and his bizarre loyalties.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#60 » by Old_Blue » Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:26 pm

CDM_Stats wrote:The roster is the biggest problem.

svart wrote:Can't watch this team anymore, there is potential but i feel we sabotage it from the inside.

Jester_ wrote:It's sad how this stupid coach and FO pissed away the last few years of Steph's greatness.

Sandy333 wrote:Its just players and coach just sticking for each other screwing over fans.


It's Thanksgiving - A time to give thanks for what you have. We are all presumably fans of a team that has been to SIX of the last nine NBA Finals and has won FOUR rings in that span. What in the bloody hell more do you people want? You want the coach and front office fired - While failing to suggest replacements. You want core players traded away for magic beans. Your ridiculous expectation is that the team win it all every season. Seriously, calm the eff down and trust in one of the most successful teams in NBA history - Not the couch jockies who've never played the game beyond grade school and have no better advice than to burn it all down. :banghead:
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