NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24

[eyeatoma]

I think Tatum and Joker are tier 1. Embiid is tier 2. SGA, Durant, Giannis and Hali are tier 3.

In what world is Tatum in Tier 1 over Embiid?

Embiid and the Celtics have a similar record, Embiid is playing far more consistently, and has taken his game another notch with his passing.

Embiid also doesn't have 3 potential all stars flanking him.

Embiids still has the game 7 stink on him

I love how you blame Embiid for that, when James Harden has had the playoffs stink on him for his entire career, while also ignoring Embiid has been constantly injured and had to deal with Ben Simmons, and Doc during the playoffs.

[Crives]

Nuggets-Suns this Friday should be fun for the mvp narratives

[timO]

Nuggets-Suns this Friday should be fun for the mvp narratives

why? suns dont have a chance to mvp



booker already missed 9 games... can only miss 8 more

KD is 35, 2 and counting, since 2019 hes not playing more than 55 games in RS

i doubt they qualify for 65.

[algope]

The minimum requirements for getting an MVP, all NBA, DPOY are 65 games whit some exceptions. However, I have not seen any changes in requirements for NBA scoring, rebounding, steals.....leader, I suppose is still in 58 games. Is not an incongruence?

[Wolfgang630]

Dbook has rejoined the chat with 29.4 ppg and 9 assists per game

Neither him or KD will win it. If one day Booker is the best and another day KD is the best then neither is MVP.

[CobraCommander]

In what world is Tatum in Tier 1 over Embiid?

Embiid and the Celtics have a similar record, Embiid is playing far more consistently, and has taken his game another notch with his passing.

Embiid also doesn't have 3 potential all stars flanking him.

Embiids still has the game 7 stink on him

I love how you blame Embiid for that, when James Harden has had the playoffs stink on him for his entire career, while also ignoring Embiid has been constantly injured and had to deal with Ben Simmons, and Doc during the playoffs.

I’m telling you why everyone sees jokic and Giannis as a tier higher than Embiid right now.

Embiid has done it all- but close the deal when it mattered

[eyeatoma]

Embiids still has the game 7 stink on him

I love how you blame Embiid for that, when James Harden has had the playoffs stink on him for his entire career, while also ignoring Embiid has been constantly injured and had to deal with Ben Simmons, and Doc during the playoffs.

I’m telling you why everyone sees jokic and Giannis as a tier higher than Embiid right now.

Embiid has done it all- but close the deal when it mattered

I have no problem with Jokic or Giannis being rated higher than Embiid. Tatum on the other hand, just lol.

[Wolfgang630]

I love how you blame Embiid for that, when James Harden has had the playoffs stink on him for his entire career, while also ignoring Embiid has been constantly injured and had to deal with Ben Simmons, and Doc during the playoffs.

I’m telling you why everyone sees jokic and Giannis as a tier higher than Embiid right now.

Embiid has done it all- but close the deal when it mattered

I have no problem with Jokic or Giannis being rated higher than Embiid. Tatum on the other hand, just lol.

I don’t understand the problem. It’s not like Tatum is leaps and bounds better than Embiid. Embiid is probably the better player, but for MVP the case can be made (so far) Tatum is MVP over Embiid because they are the number 1 seed. It’s not a big deal anyways because all their records are close since they haven’t played many games.

[eyeatoma]

I’m telling you why everyone sees jokic and Giannis as a tier higher than Embiid right now.

Embiid has done it all- but close the deal when it mattered

I have no problem with Jokic or Giannis being rated higher than Embiid. Tatum on the other hand, just lol.

I don’t understand the problem. It’s not like Tatum is leaps and bounds better than Embiid. Embiid is probably the better player, but for MVP the case can be made (so far) Tatum is MVP over Embiid because they are the number 1 seed. It’s not a big deal anyways because all their records are close since they haven’t played many games.

Sure, for now, I just think the difference of 1.5 games at the start of the season isn't really that significant. Especially given how inconsistent he's been this year, and how much help he's gotten. End of the season, and they're the 1 seed, I get it.

[Chokic]

Embiid>rest of the league

[CobraCommander]

Embiid>rest of the league

Sure bro - surrreee

[Exp0sed]

I love how you blame Embiid for that, when James Harden has had the playoffs stink on him for his entire career, while also ignoring Embiid has been constantly injured and had to deal with Ben Simmons, and Doc during the playoffs.

I’m telling you why everyone sees jokic and Giannis as a tier higher than Embiid right now.

Embiid has done it all- but close the deal when it mattered

I have no problem with Jokic or Giannis being rated higher than Embiid. Tatum on the other hand, just lol.

a rare occasion on which we agree

Tatum is having a weird season. it stands to reason that playing alongside Brown, KP and Jrue would hurt his FGA and raw stats a bit and that has been the case so far this season indeed. his usage rate in general dropped from a career high 32.7% last season to 29.8% (his lowest since 2019) now obviously that doesn't make him any worse as a player but it def hurts his MVP case.

apart from shooting a stellar 60% on 2's, Tatum is having a down year in PPG, FTA and Assits (a measly 4.1) with a career high 3.0 To's

and it's not like he's double or triple teamed every play, his co-stars make it very hard to provide defensive help on Tatum (which might explain the 60% on 2's) and he's got plenty of space to operate but that fails to explain how he manages 4.1 assists to 3 turnovers while being mostly single covered

yes, his defense is awesome and yes his on\off number are strong but he's simply not having the type of season some of these guys are having, both statistically and his actual level of play and dominance

the guys we are talking about have all been extremely dominant (and they all are guys that have been doing much of the same for a good while now, so we knew there's a good chance of their level play being sustainable) and he simply hasn't. he's not on their tier thus far in this short season and a couple of extra team wins, alongside another supermax player and two all star caliber players (Jrue's all-star days are probably behind him but he still brings alot to the table), isn't going to bridge the individual gap between these two tiers

p.s, as for Embiid, everyone thinks that not just because of the perpetual playoff stink but also because he does things like duck Minny at their home floor, only to be spry as a chick against the physically imposing Chet Holmgren

oh and being the league's premier foul merchant ain't doing him a favor either..with that said, he's still above Tatum rn that's for sure

[Wolfgang630]

Why does the league wait until January or later to schedule Denver vs Philly. And they seem to always do the first game on national tv in Philadelphia. The second game comes weeks later in Denver. At that point you know what excuse I gotta hear.

[Exp0sed]

Why does the league wait until January or later to schedule Denver vs Philly. And they seem to always do the first game on national tv in Philadelphia. The second game comes weeks later in Denver. At that point you know what excuse I gotta hear.

I don't know but i'll add that the real reason voters would favor Jokic, Giannis and Tatum is also related to the constant load-managing, resting and especially ducking the tough games away from home

for example, watch Jokic tonight after a very long roadtrip in which he carried alot of weight for his team, they played yesterday (without Murray and AG) and again Jokic carried them and did everything and tonight they are playing a b2b vs the Clippers.

if it were Embiid, we all know he ain't playing but Jokic will play. win or lose he'll be out there and he'll be working hard for his team and teammates. he doesn't care about the stats, back to backs, 4 in 5's 5 in 7 etc are all pretty brutal statisically for players on average, you know.

that's the main reason Embiid won't win MVP, everyone sees what he's made of. sitting out when he doesn't want to hurt his stats...real ballers don't respect that and neither do fans

[GSWFan1994]

The minimum requirements for getting an MVP, all NBA, DPOY are 65 games whit some exceptions. However, I have not seen any changes in requirements for NBA scoring, rebounding, steals.....leader, I suppose is still in 58 games. Is not an incongruence?

To qualify for the scoring title, a player must appear in at least 58 games (out of 82). However, a player who appears in fewer than 58 games may qualify as annual scoring leader if his point total would have given him the greatest average, had he appeared in 58 games.

link

[Crives]

Nuggets-Suns this Friday should be fun for the mvp narratives

why? suns dont have a chance to mvp



booker already missed 9 games... can only miss 8 more

KD is 35, 2 and counting, since 2019 hes not playing more than 55 games in RS

i doubt they qualify for 65.

Why not? Book averaging more points and tied with joker in assists per game…. With the same team record. A convincing win where Booker outplays Jokic on Friday should give Booker some momentum.

You are right about injury though, only another 8 games. Very possible Book doesn’t qualify, but very possible that he does

[Wolfgang630]

Why does the league wait until January or later to schedule Denver vs Philly. And they seem to always do the first game on national tv in Philadelphia. The second game comes weeks later in Denver. At that point you know what excuse I gotta hear.

I don't know but i'll add that the real reason voters would favor Jokic, Giannis and Tatum is also related to the constant load-managing, resting and especially ducking the tough games away from home

for example, watch Jokic tonight after a very long roadtrip in which he carried alot of weight for his team, they played yesterday (without Murray and AG) and again Jokic carried them and did everything and tonight they are playing a b2b vs the Clippers.

if it were Embiid, we all know he ain't playing but Jokic will play. win or lose he'll be out there and he'll be working hard for his team and teammates. he doesn't care about the stats, back to backs, 4 in 5's 5 in 7 etc are all pretty brutal statisically for players on average, you know.

that's the main reason Embiid won't win MVP, everyone sees what he's made of. sitting out when he doesn't want to hurt his stats...real ballers don't respect that and neither do fans

As long as the voters are paying attention to what Embiid keeps doing then it’s good.

[LordCovington33]

The minimum requirements for getting an MVP, all NBA, DPOY are 65 games whit some exceptions. However, I have not seen any changes in requirements for NBA scoring, rebounding, steals.....leader, I suppose is still in 58 games. Is not an incongruence?

To qualify for the scoring title, a player must appear in at least 58 games (out of 82). However, a player who appears in fewer than 58 games may qualify as annual scoring leader if his point total would have given him the greatest average, had he appeared in 58 games.

link

In layman terms, if a player plays less than 58 games, the total number of points they have scored is divided by 58.

[Wolfgang630]

Speaking of points….

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That’s getting ejected from Detroit too. Indiana has played 2 less game so far. Hali could be close?

[G R E Y]

I voted Jokic at this early stage of the season, confident in the player we know he is.

Second choice is Tatum and the impressive season he's having so far. Slightly fewer shots, more for others, slightly more efficient.