Bears 2023 thread V

[Kurt Heimlich]

The win no Bears fan wanted

It really was the win nobody wanted, because the only way a win is acceptable right now was if Fields balled out and put away the questions. Since he didn't, the loss only hurts the cause. I can see the Bears finishing around pick 5-8 right now. It's good, but you lose a shot at MHJ, because now we cant'take him with the Panthers pick. Good to see the defense can build on this season however.

Just take MHJ no matter what.

I agree thats the least risky player to pick. But that means we're stuck with Fields at that most critical of positions and banking on a billion turnovers and just about as many field goals to win us games going forward. To quote the GOAT Mr Stark, Not a great plan.

Or do we start the "what non-Caleb/Maye QB will be available at pick 7" thread?

[fleet]

The win no Bears fan wanted

It really was the win nobody wanted, because the only way a win is acceptable right now was if Fields balled out and put away the questions. Since he didn't, the loss only hurts the cause. I can see the Bears finishing around pick 5-8 right now. It's good, but you lose a shot at MHJ, because now we cant'take him with the Panthers pick. Good to see the defense can build on this season however.

But did you see Justin win it with his arm

Not really, not in the sense that his career can feature this quality. ! throw, 13 points. Nah. It was a clutch throw though, that won an individual game. Feel good about that?

[HoopsterJones]

DJ Moore goes over 1000 yards receiving after this game.

[Jimako10]

Just pull a Houston and trade up to 3...I'm willing to give up a FRP for the QB+MHJ dream scenario.

[MoSalad]

There isn't a franchise QB available every year, but the top QBs just zip to the top of the first round no matter what. And its consistently a position that isn't really that easy to assess. Why not take a less risky star player?

We have cap space and the defense is like two impact players and a little development away from being really good. The team is close, just roll with Fields and put better players around him.

[Chi town]

Clarifying night.
- Captain Safety Flus and Screen Pass Getsy both suck and need to go
- Fields ain’t it. Those fumbles prove it. Two drives to win the game. One fumble one 20 yard pass.

Poles had a good night…
- Sweat and Dexter looked dominant
- DJ is our whole offense
- Roshon looked good despite the fumble
- Brisker Gordon and Edwards looked really good.

No. You can’t keep Flus now that the D looks solid. He needs to go. We can get a DC that can get even more out of these guys.

[Jimako10]

Read on Twitter

I think I count 5 attempts over 10 yards?

I don't understand how this is possible.

Edit: Didn't even mention the 16 attempts behind the LOS....is this real?

[Chi town]

There isn't a franchise QB available every year, but the top QBs just zip to the top of the first round no matter what. And its consistently a position that isn't really that easy to assess. Why not take a less risky star player?

We have cap space and the defense is like two impact players and a little development away from being really good. The team is close, just roll with Fields and put better players around him.

I think we can sign a vet QB that does more for us than Fields. Less turnovers. More down field plays.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

It really was the win nobody wanted, because the only way a win is acceptable right now was if Fields balled out and put away the questions. Since he didn't, the loss only hurts the cause. I can see the Bears finishing around pick 5-8 right now. It's good, but you lose a shot at MHJ, because now we cant'take him with the Panthers pick. Good to see the defense can build on this season however.

But did you see Justin win it with his arm

Not really, not in the sense that his career can feature this quality. ! throw, 13 points. Nah. It was a clutch throw though, that won an individual game. Feel good about that?

If he can build on it yeah. Getsy did nothing to open up the offense this game. He made a couple mistakes with the fumbles yes. But id like to just see the offense unlocked. Just let him sink or swim so we see exactly what we have.

[fleet]

There isn't a franchise QB available every year, but the top QBs just zip to the top of the first round no matter what. And its consistently a position that isn't really that easy to assess. Why not take a less risky star player?

We have cap space and the defense is like two impact players and a little development away from being really good. The team is close, just roll with Fields and put better players around him.

It isn't a generic quarterback draft. And you can't ignore the need. A HOF receiver is a luxury. MHJ is supposed to be Megatron, who never went to a Superbowl. Quarterbacks win Superbowls. Or are a billion times more likely to than a receiver.

Close to what?

[Chi town]

Read on Twitter

I think I count 5 attempts over 10 yards?

I don't understand how this is possible.

It’s called playing around Fields. Not through him.

[Chi town]

There isn't a franchise QB available every year, but the top QBs just zip to the top of the first round no matter what. And its consistently a position that isn't really that easy to assess. Why not take a less risky star player?

We have cap space and the defense is like two impact players and a little development away from being really good. The team is close, just roll with Fields and put better players around him.

It isn't a generic quarterback draft. And you can't ignore the need. A HOF receiver is a luxury. MHJ is supposed to be Megatron, who never went to a Superbowl. Quarterbacks win Superbowls. Or are a billion times more likely to than a receiver

This. Get Harbaugh or Day and have them get their QB. I don’t care who it is. Let them pick the QB.

[Chi town]

Folks fired up about Fields… we scored 12 points.

He sucks. Offense sucks. Getsy sucks the most.

[fleet]

But did you see Justin win it with his arm

Not really, not in the sense that his career can feature this quality. ! throw, 13 points. Nah. It was a clutch throw though, that won an individual game. Feel good about that?

If he can build on it yeah. Getsy did nothing to open up the offense this game. He made a couple mistakes with the fumbles yes. But id like to just see the offense unlocked. Just let him sink or swim so we see exactly what we have.

At some point a GM has to **** or get off the pot, and believe his own eyes. If he can build on it, he should do it elsewhere. Gotta go. It should be clear by now that if Fields is brought back, Getsy returns. Fields cannot start with yet a new coach with another system to learn. The Bears have to draft a quarterback. If the new QB sits like Aaron Rodgers did, that's fine. But the Bears cannot have the top pick in 2 franchise quarterback drafts in a row and walk away without a quarterback

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Folks fired up about Fields… we scored 12 points.

He sucks. Offense sucks. Getsy sucks the most.

Im not fired up about him. I’m just trying to counter the hate. He won the game. Haters mention him not winning games and well he won this one, ugly or not.

[Chi town]

https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2023/11/27/23977896/scouts-take-on-recent-chicago-bears-topics-await-tonight-win-jstin-fields-kevin-warren-jim-harbaugh

Gabriel says no QB, No MHJ and no Harbaugh.

[RastaBull]

Well at least we will get to Justin attempt to throw the ball to finish the game. Disgusting play calling today.

Sucks. Very little of this should be on Justin. These screen plays give him no other options to make any reads or decisions. So all those negative plays are 100% on the Getsy. And then those trash plays set up the next plays where Justin's in a horrible situation and defense has it easy.

I thought Justin looked good again.

If we lose, I wish I could wake up tomorrow and hear that Flus and Getsy have been fired. (sheesh ... I find myself saying that a lot about Chicago teams on this board).

You see a franchise quarterback?

No. I certainly don't. But I do see a guy who has a ceiling well above what we are seeing from him.

I do believe that I see a guy who could play at a pro-bowl level with a real play caller.

Burrow, Lamar, Mahomes. Those are only guys I see in league that I'd say you could rightly identify as a franchise QBs after watching their first 3 years. Hurts too (but also, I'd want to see what the next three years end up looking like for him ... because two years ago many would have said Josh Allen was the franchise QB ... and look at them flaming out now).

I doubt anyone in Dallas would say "we always felt confident Dak was a franchise QB" (most probably still wouldn't say that, and yet they got the right play caller and pieces all around to be a title contending team).
I don't think I'd call Purdy a "franchise" QB ... just a good QB that does the right things with really magical set of weapons around him and great play calling.
Is Herbert a franchise QB? I think he is one of the most prototypical AI-created QBs I could imagine, and that hasn't gotten that franchise anywhere (missed playoff first two years; third year made playoffs and suffered a loss even more embarrassing than the double-doink). So maybe he fits the franchise QB type ... but he also has weapons FAR SUPERIOR than Bears (Allen, Mike Williams, Ekler) and he's had them his entire time there. So seems like Franchise QB still doesn't make a heck of a lot of difference unless you have the right play-caller and a complete team.

Trevor Lawrence could certainly be in this conversation; I'm sure Jax fans feel like they got a franchise QB. He looks the part and it's leading to lots of success.

I really hope CJ is that type of franchise QB, because Houston is so fun to watch (but it is just one year so I'll wait).

Meanwhile, Kyler Murray hasn't led to any success (initial coach already fired). Young only one year in, and coach already fired.

Tua didn't look franchise QB worthy; and then Tyreek Hill got added to the roster to partner with Waddle and all while having a pretty highly touted young coaching mind. All of a sudden he went from a game-mangey QB his first two years to MVP candidate. Who woulda thunk it.

Sorry for extended thoughts. No animosity meant. I agree he doesn't look like a franchise QB. But I really really do see a lot I like about him. More than enough for me to say we should expend our draft capital and resources on dynamic pieces around him, like MHJ! (and we've got the great bones/starters on defense ... so the additional capital could fill out extraordinary depth to cement defense as a strength).

[Chi town]

Not really, not in the sense that his career can feature this quality. ! throw, 13 points. Nah. It was a clutch throw though, that won an individual game. Feel good about that?

If he can build on it yeah. Getsy did nothing to open up the offense this game. He made a couple mistakes with the fumbles yes. But id like to just see the offense unlocked. Just let him sink or swim so we see exactly what we have.

At some point a GM has to **** or get off the pot, and believe his own eyes. If he can build on it, he should do it elsewhere. Gotta go. It should be clear by now that if Fields is brought back, Getsy returns. Fields cannot start with yet a new coach with another system to learn. The Bears have to draft a quarterback. If the new QB sits like Aaron Rodgers did, that's fine. But the Bears cannot have the top pick in 2 franchise quarterback drafts in a row and walk away without a quarterback

Exactly. The pressure on Fields to perform would eat him up.

D will be good enough to probably be .500 next year with game managing Bagent. Look at what Minshew is doing for the Colts.

[Dresden]

I think the offense needs 4 things- a new QB, a new OC, one more top level WR, a line that can protect better and open up holes for RB's more consistently.

I hope we address those problems this offseason. We've poured a lot of resources into the defense, and it's starting to pay off. Now we need to fix the offense.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I think the offense needs 4 things- a new QB, a new OC, one more top level WR, a line that can protect better and open up holes for RB's more consistently.

I hope we address those problems this offseason. We've poured a lot of resources into the defense, and it's starting to pay off. Now we need to fix the offense.

Thats like half the offense.

I do agree the D looked good but it was against Dobbs. Dobbs is Dobbs.