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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#181 » by City of Trees » Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:10 am

Onus wrote:Man we've been looking at this wrong. Kerr has been coaching Moody and managing his ego. Kerr has been excellent at keeping Moody ready and hungry taking him in and out of the lineup. Telling him he's out of the rotation and he's still staying ready. Moody is going to be ready to go in year 5 and then just maybe he'll be ready to crack 20 mpg.
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Managing Moody's ego while enabling Klay? Nah, I don't buy it. Moody is ready now. Curry has only so much left. Personally, I think Kerr is prepared to go down with the ship and has no intention of coaching after your Dynasty core is gone.

Hindsight being 20/20, Bob Myers trades those picks if he knew Curry would still be playing at this level in 2023. Until recently the rest have been good enough to hide the two timeline disaster.

*Edit* From an outsiders perspective, what's the Warriors biggest problem? Navigating the situation Myers left your franchise in.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#182 » by DonaldSanders » Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:44 am

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Onus wrote:Man we've been looking at this wrong. Kerr has been coaching Moody and managing his ego. Kerr has been excellent at keeping Moody ready and hungry taking him in and out of the lineup. Telling him he's out of the rotation and he's still staying ready. Moody is going to be ready to go in year 5 and then just maybe he'll be ready to crack 20 mpg.
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Managing Moody's ego while enabling Klay? Nah, I don't buy it. Moody is ready now. Curry has only so much left. Personally, I think Kerr is prepared to go down with the ship and has no intention of coaching after your Dynasty core is gone.

Hindsight being 20/20, Bob Myers trades those picks if he knew Curry would still be playing at this level in 2023. Until recently the rest have been good enough to hide the two timeline disaster.

*Edit* From an outsiders perspective, what's the Warriors biggest problem? Navigating the situation Myers left your franchise in.



Onus was being sarcastic.

We need a good athletic SG who can do some ball handling. Going 4v5 should be a win for us, but it's a loss for us with all these old/slow guys. Someone who can drive to the hoop and get a layup or dunk when Curry is being trapped is the biggest need -- a true #2 scoring option.

Playing Moody and maybe Saric instead of Looney while Steph is being trapped would be an improvement, but we truly need a #2 scoring threat.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#183 » by CDM_Stats » Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:45 am

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Onus wrote:Man we've been looking at this wrong. Kerr has been coaching Moody and managing his ego. Kerr has been excellent at keeping Moody ready and hungry taking him in and out of the lineup. Telling him he's out of the rotation and he's still staying ready. Moody is going to be ready to go in year 5 and then just maybe he'll be ready to crack 20 mpg.
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Managing Moody's ego while enabling Klay? Nah, I don't buy it. Moody is ready now. Curry has only so much left. Personally, I think Kerr is prepared to go down with the ship and has no intention of coaching after your Dynasty core is gone.

Hindsight being 20/20, Bob Myers trades those picks if he knew Curry would still be playing at this level in 2023. Until recently the rest have been good enough to hide the two timeline disaster.

*Edit* From an outsiders perspective, what's the Warriors biggest problem? Navigating the situation Myers left your franchise in.


99% sure he agrees, was being tongue in cheek with the Moody stuff

A lot of us have been banging this drum for a while.. Moody took a large step forward to end last year. And he's routinely yanked early by Kerr for one mistake in a 10-15 range, while guys like Klay and Kuminga are walking Benny Hill slideshows at times. Some of us even feel that Moody's development has been hindered by these quick hooks, because he looks so good when he's aggressive, but is afraid to make the mistake that sends him to the bench for the rest of the game

The rest? I'm fairly sure you're in lockstep with most of the board. Myers made a lot of mistakes that we have to deal with now - though Dunleavy has done a pretty good job in correcting what he can. Kerr, at least for now, looks prepared to just ride the big 3 until the wheels fall off, but the 3rd wheel appears to have fallen off a while ago... its just hard to make logical sense of what he's doing. Add to that, that Klay's clearly sensitive about what's going on.. its a whole damn mess and there needs to be a true leader stepping up and saying what's what. But we arent seeing it
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#184 » by Onus » Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:50 am

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Onus wrote:Man we've been looking at this wrong. Kerr has been coaching Moody and managing his ego. Kerr has been excellent at keeping Moody ready and hungry taking him in and out of the lineup. Telling him he's out of the rotation and he's still staying ready. Moody is going to be ready to go in year 5 and then just maybe he'll be ready to crack 20 mpg.
I come in peace so don't blitz me.

Managing Moody's ego while enabling Klay? Nah, I don't buy it. Moody is ready now. Curry has only so much left. Personally, I think Kerr is prepared to go down with the ship and has no intention of coaching after your Dynasty core is gone.

Hindsight being 20/20, Bob Myers trades those picks if he knew Curry would still be playing at this level in 2023. Until recently the rest have been good enough to hide the two timeline disaster.

*Edit* From an outsiders perspective, what's the Warriors biggest problem? Navigating the situation Myers left your franchise in.

It was sarcasm. It’s a running joke around here that no matter what moody does he draws the short stick even though he should be replacing Klays minutes.

Myers left us in a terrible position with his horrible draft picks. But mdj has done a good job getting rid of most of Myers mistakes. I think the team is actually good we just need to limit Klays minutes and trade jk for whatever value he has left. Now we also need to replace gp2 who’s huge for us.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#185 » by Jester_ » Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:05 am

Nobody who has actually watched Kerr with a critical eye over the past ten years, rather than drinking the firehose of koolaid, should be surprised by what's happening right now.

This is the man who needed David Lee to go down with an injury before letting Draymond loose - people on this board were complaining about it the same way back then too. Unfortunately Moody is even lower on the rotation so we'll need the company jet to crash before Moody gets any run
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#186 » by watch1958 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:14 am

Maybe Kerr is playing 4D chess here.

Last year and early this season he was just slow playing Moses. The last few weeks, however, he’s been making glaringly strange choices.

Going with Podz instead of Moody when Dray and Klay were ejected.

Starting Moody then benching him in the second half.

Benching him when he’s red hot.

Changing the internal dialogue from “bench Klay” to “I am a bad coach, I need to play Moody more.”

Basically, “it’s not you Klay it’s me.”
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#187 » by SpreeChokeJob » Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:34 am

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Onus wrote:Man we've been looking at this wrong. Kerr has been coaching Moody and managing his ego. Kerr has been excellent at keeping Moody ready and hungry taking him in and out of the lineup. Telling him he's out of the rotation and he's still staying ready. Moody is going to be ready to go in year 5 and then just maybe he'll be ready to crack 20 mpg.
I come in peace so don't blitz me.

Managing Moody's ego while enabling Klay? Nah, I don't buy it. Moody is ready now. Curry has only so much left. Personally, I think Kerr is prepared to go down with the ship and has no intention of coaching after your Dynasty core is gone.

Hindsight being 20/20, Bob Myers trades those picks if he knew Curry would still be playing at this level in 2023. Until recently the rest have been good enough to hide the two timeline disaster.

*Edit* From an outsiders perspective, what's the Warriors biggest problem? Navigating the situation Myers left your franchise in.

It was sarcasm. It’s a running joke around here that no matter what moody does he draws the short stick even though he should be replacing Klays minutes.

Myers left us in a terrible position with his horrible draft picks. But mdj has done a good job getting rid of most of Myers mistakes. I think the team is actually good we just need to limit Klays minutes and trade jk for whatever value he has left. Now we also need to replace gp2 who’s huge for us.

Myers never did anything besides what Lacob and Kerr wanted him to do. He’s a relationship guy, an agent, an ambassador of Quan. No way Myers picks anyone without consensus with the exception of Wiseman who was most likely a Lacob pick. Otherwise the picks have been consistent with Kerr’s tweener positionless basketball system. It’s become so positionless, he now plays Steph, one leg Klay, and geritol CP3 together. I could go into other things but I’ll leave it to the genius sports reporters and front office coffee boy lurkers to figure it out for their next promotion.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#188 » by marthafokker » Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:35 am

watch1958 wrote:Maybe Kerr is playing 4D chess here.

Last year and early this season he was just slow playing Moses. The last few weeks, however, he’s been making glaringly strange choices.

Going with Podz instead of Moody when Dray and Klay were ejected.

Starting Moody then benching him in the second half.

Benching him when he’s red hot.

Changing the internal dialogue from “bench Klay” to “I am a bad coach, I need to play Moody more.”

Basically, “it’s not you Klay it’s me.”


Is this the Dubbs version of LeQueen's playoff mode? That didn't turned out very well.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#189 » by ShayDee » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:21 am

DonaldSanders wrote:I know it's too little too late but at least Steve is saying it publicly. I really hope Steve sees the light at some point with regards to needing to blend the young guys more.


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Goes back the the claim of the starting lineup with best net rating in the league last season. That stat kind of misleads and hides alot of issues with that lineup that the Lakers figured out and exploited in the playoffs. The lineup probably can get you some wins in the regular season but the more teams catch on to the weaknesses, the harder that lineup sees productive minutes.

Just blitz Steph, protect the paint, stick someone close to Klay since he gets no separation and force Wiggins to beat you. Draymond and Looney aint scaring anyone. In the 2022 finals they were down 2-1, Kerr decided to start OPJ at the 5 over Looney, rest was history.

The net rating makes Kerr believe/think he could win that game with that lineup to close. Teams are learning how to exploit the lineup. Steph turnover prone, trouble with double teams, Draymond and Looney not looking at the basket, Klay can't get space to get shots up, Don't know which version of Wiggins you get.

After watching the tape, Kerr probably realized he needed to spacing from that Moody provided(like duh?), scoring and spacing just got worse and I think he realized his mistake and maybe owned up to it? Who knows. But in the moment, he believed the starting lineup would be good enough when in reality teams have figured them out. You always ride the hot hand regardless, kings did it, won the game. Lakers pull Lonnie, they likely don't win that game

Unless Draymond and Looney can provide something offensively the lineup is not good enough anymore for the really tight games. Also the team has big issues with fouling and turnovers and the older they get, those issues are highlighted even more, it's not the refs at that point when the past 4 or so seasons warriors are top 3 the worst fouling teams in the league. They just have to get better
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#190 » by Crazy-Canuck » Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:28 pm

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I understand what kerr is thinking (not agreeing with it), hes giving his core as much rope as he can. However, he's flat out lying. Wiggs and loon have already been benched multiple times this year, especially in the 4th. Unless his "core" only applies to steph, klay, dray, and cp3.

Btw, kerrs personal story was pretty funny.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#191 » by Impuniti » Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:32 pm

watch1958 wrote:Maybe Kerr is playing 4D chess here.

Last year and early this season he was just slow playing Moses. The last few weeks, however, he’s been making glaringly strange choices.

Going with Podz instead of Moody when Dray and Klay were ejected.

Starting Moody then benching him in the second half.

Benching him when he’s red hot.

Changing the internal dialogue from “bench Klay” to “I am a bad coach, I need to play Moody more.”

Basically, “it’s not you Klay it’s me.”

He's only playing 4D chess if his goal is to coach in China next season. This is the same guy that gave some scrub player minutes all of 2022, then never uses him in the playoffs and throws Moody in the WCF. It worked, but the logic of playing one during the RS, then tanking, then using the rook instead of developing him throughout the season made literally zero **** sense.

The guy is smart but he has certain ticks that are objectively illogical.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#192 » by Impuniti » Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:33 pm

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I understand what kerr is thinking (not agreeing with it), hes giving his core as much rope as he can. However, he's flat out lying. Wiggs and loon have already been benched multiple times this year, especially in the 4th. Unless his "core" only applies to steph, klay, dray, and cp3.

Btw, kerrs personal story was pretty funny.

His entire premise doesn't make sense because those guys failed last postseason. Miserably. Draymond and Klay had their worst series in their careers, and now they're even older yet Kerr is putting all his baskets in the same place again. If they didn't fail last PS, you can understand it.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#193 » by Onus » Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:49 pm

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This is pretty damn hilarious
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Post#194 » by CDM_Stats » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:03 pm

If you like cynicism and basketball, youll love Jim Park

He's pretty smart with it too. His conclusions are a little over the top for my taste but he's one of those guys who seems to have a natural eye for the game. And boy is he going to have a lot of material this year
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#195 » by CDM_Stats » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:05 pm

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I understand what kerr is thinking (not agreeing with it), hes giving his core as much rope as he can. However, he's flat out lying. Wiggs and loon have already been benched multiple times this year, especially in the 4th. Unless his "core" only applies to steph, klay, dray, and cp3.

Btw, kerrs personal story was pretty funny.


Yeah I saw Sanders' post and I was thinking... oh no, wait til you see part 2. And this was part 2

Its great that Kerr is taking responsibility after the fact, I guess. But its lip service, just like "We need to get Moody more minutes" 2 weeks before telling him he's out of the rotation despite playing well. But this quote is one I believe.. only the vets matter. Only the vets can get us there. If you're Kuminga, ok that makes sense, I need to just be me and stay in my comfort zone. If you're Moody, you have to be asking what the **** you need to do to matter to this guy
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#196 » by Onus » Thu Nov 30, 2023 5:21 pm

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I understand what kerr is thinking (not agreeing with it), hes giving his core as much rope as he can. However, he's flat out lying. Wiggs and loon have already been benched multiple times this year, especially in the 4th. Unless his "core" only applies to steph, klay, dray, and cp3.

Btw, kerrs personal story was pretty funny.

This is a yikes.

Kerr you don't matter to the bulls because you were like the 15th man.

Moody on the other hand is like our 5th or 6th best player and you're burying him behind Klay who is like our worst player.

I don't expect any changes anytime soon. But I guess he can't close with CP3, Curry, Klay for awhile so that's one horrible lineup he can't use.
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#197 » by CDM_Stats » Fri Dec 15, 2023 6:04 am

It's becoming harder to disagree with this
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Post#198 » by Onus » Fri Dec 15, 2023 6:25 am

Cp3 was not out long enough for him to not use the cp, curry, Klay lineup. Smh
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Re: Warriors biggest problem? Their Coach 

Post#199 » by DonaldSanders » Fri Dec 15, 2023 6:53 am

I'm just tired of the pre-programed thing. Adjust on the fly. Play the guys who are doing the best and stop worrying about what they think after the game -- I swear to some extent this makes it worse because guys feel entitled to their minutes. No, guys on a bad team should feel like they have to hustle their ass off and play good defense to keep their minutes.

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Post#200 » by jozef » Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:28 pm

As a coach I would solve an easy Sudoku as far as rotation: Podzi is better PG than CP3, TJD and JK are are better big men than unathletic Loon and Dario.
So in a whole heart effort to win the game my rotation would be:
PG Curry 34, Podziemski 14
SG Thompson 32, Moody 16
SF Wiggins 32, Moody 16
PF Kumminga 32, Saric 16
C Davis-Jackson 32, Looney 16

Limit common floor time of Looney and Saric to minimum and solely versus inferior backups.
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