76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1

[M2J]

It's gonna be DeRozan, but I think we'll get him for even less. He's expiring, they suck, he won't resign with them unless they drop a massive deal. It'll likely take longer than I'd like to see, but he'd be a nice third option heading into the playoffs.

Kork, Morris, and House with a top 25 protected first that turns into 2 second rounders if it doesn't convey for DeRozan. The only way they'll do better is if there's a major market for him.

Not really feeling DeRozan, why give up anything if you don't plan to sign him in off season. Keeping Tobias makes more sense than DeRozan with his 3pt shooting and lack of defense

Because we're trying to win and he's a scoring/distributing SF with on-ball capabilities. Losing Kork, Morris, and House would be negligible and we'd have an offense that can function when Embiid and/or Maxey are on the bench.

Also, it's not guaranteed we wouldn't resign him to a cap friendly deal in the offseason. Not sure what his priorities are at this stage of his career.

Concern is of course the fact that he kinda really needs the ball due to his skillset. Didn't really spread the floor, doesn't defend well enough. He's like a great 6th man, would be better to just get Brogdon.

[Negrodamus]

Not really feeling DeRozan, why give up anything if you don't plan to sign him in off season. Keeping Tobias makes more sense than DeRozan with his 3pt shooting and lack of defense

Because we're trying to win and he's a scoring/distributing SF with on-ball capabilities. Losing Kork, Morris, and House would be negligible and we'd have an offense that can function when Embiid and/or Maxey are on the bench.

Also, it's not guaranteed we wouldn't resign him to a cap friendly deal in the offseason. Not sure what his priorities are at this stage of his career.

Concern is of course the fact that he kinda really needs the ball due to his skillset. Didn't really spread the floor, doesn't defend well enough. He's like a great 6th man, would be better to just get Brogdon.

He found a way to make it work (offensively) with LaVine, who is essentially a poor man’s Maxey. I think coming in to a team that’s decidedly not his and adapting to the offense would be in his best interest moving forward. He’s really fringe HOF and a run to the championship as third banana would get him in.

[ProcessDoctor]

Harris/Korkmaz/1st for Derozan/Caruso


Maxey/Melton/Beverley
Derozan/Caruso/Springer
Batum/Oubre/House
Covington/Morris/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba

[M2J]

Because we're trying to win and he's a scoring/distributing SF with on-ball capabilities. Losing Kork, Morris, and House would be negligible and we'd have an offense that can function when Embiid and/or Maxey are on the bench.

Also, it's not guaranteed we wouldn't resign him to a cap friendly deal in the offseason. Not sure what his priorities are at this stage of his career.

Concern is of course the fact that he kinda really needs the ball due to his skillset. Didn't really spread the floor, doesn't defend well enough. He's like a great 6th man, would be better to just get Brogdon.

He found a way to make it work (offensively) with LaVine, who is essentially a poor man’s Maxey. I think coming in to a team that’s decidedly not his and adapting to the offense would be in his best interest moving forward. He’s really fringe HOF and a run to the championship as third banana would get him in.

I mean yeah, it could work... Because the Chicago remedy is to give the ball to him rather than Lavine, who actually can play off the ball a lot better. Given how ball dominant Joel already is, and how good Maxey is with the ball... Doesn't seem like the best move. I mean can you call what they're doing in Chicago as something that has worked?

Because he doesn't like to actually take shots. It's essentially the same problem Tobias gives you in terms of 3pt volume.

Harris/Korkmaz/1st for Derozan/Caruso


Maxey/Melton/Beverley
Derozan/Caruso/Springer
Batum/Oubre/House
Covington/Morris/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba

Moving Harris for DeRozan is kinda a wash, but it is the only way I see it really working. He will take the ball out of Tyrese hands more

[Negrodamus]

Tyrese has improved as an iso scorer, but do we really think he’s elite at it? I’ll definitely give him credit for being a low turnover PG, but a lot of the offense is run through low risk DHO with the best scorer in the league.

When Embiid is out this year, Maxey is avg 3.5 turnovers in 2 games.

I don’t think DeRozan is a perfect fit, but when our offense goes stagnant, we need someone other than Joel to get a basket. Our current end of game offense is a peek into the future when we’re in the playoffs and can’t buy a bucket. DeRozan is one of the best scorers in the league inside the three point line (also shooting a career best from three on decent volume for him). Maybe the best midrange shooter in the game. A team consisting of Maxey, Batum, Cov, Melton, etc is already perfect for spreading the floor, which would give DeRozan plenty of room to operate in his comfort zone and generate buckets/assists.

I will say the guy who would affect the offense is Tobias, who is decidedly worse on offense than DeRozan.

[76ciology]

Nobody is gonna create that Celts game thread?

We’re kind of yuck without Embiid and Oubre.

[the_process]

Harris/Korkmaz/1st for Derozan/Caruso


Maxey/Melton/Beverley
Derozan/Caruso/Springer
Batum/Oubre/House
Covington/Morris/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba

If you can move Melton for a protected 1st somewhere and use that as the pick the Bulls are getting? Then sure, why not.

[76ciology]

Tyrese has improved as an iso scorer, but do we really think he’s elite at it? I’ll definitely give him credit for being a low turnover PG, but a lot of the offense is run through low risk DHO with the best scorer in the league.

When Embiid is out this year, Maxey is avg 3.5 turnovers in 2 games.

I don’t think DeRozan is a perfect fit, but when our offense goes stagnant, we need someone other than Joel to get a basket. Our current end of game offense is a peek into the future when we’re in the playoffs and can’t buy a bucket. DeRozan is one of the best scorers in the league inside the three point line (also shooting a career best from three on decent volume for him). Maybe the best midrange shooter in the game. A team consisting of Maxey, Batum, Cov, Melton, etc is already perfect for spreading the floor, which would give DeRozan plenty of room to operate in his comfort zone and generate buckets/assists.

I will say the guy who would affect the offense is Tobias, who is decidedly worse on offense than DeRozan.

On a related note, Do you think Tobias is a better shot creator than OG and Jerami Grant?

[Negrodamus]

Tyrese has improved as an iso scorer, but do we really think he’s elite at it? I’ll definitely give him credit for being a low turnover PG, but a lot of the offense is run through low risk DHO with the best scorer in the league.

When Embiid is out this year, Maxey is avg 3.5 turnovers in 2 games.

I don’t think DeRozan is a perfect fit, but when our offense goes stagnant, we need someone other than Joel to get a basket. Our current end of game offense is a peek into the future when we’re in the playoffs and can’t buy a bucket. DeRozan is one of the best scorers in the league inside the three point line (also shooting a career best from three on decent volume for him). Maybe the best midrange shooter in the game. A team consisting of Maxey, Batum, Cov, Melton, etc is already perfect for spreading the floor, which would give DeRozan plenty of room to operate in his comfort zone and generate buckets/assists.

I will say the guy who would affect the offense is Tobias, who is decidedly worse on offense than DeRozan.

On a related note, Do you think Tobias is a better shot creator than OG and Jerami Grant?

I can only decipher that through statistical evidence, not really from watching them play. I don’t watch enough OG or Jerami to get a good feeling.

[youngcrev]

Harris/Korkmaz/1st for Derozan/Caruso


Maxey/Melton/Beverley
Derozan/Caruso/Springer
Batum/Oubre/House
Covington/Morris/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba

Maybe?
I imagine the lineup would look more like:

Maxey | Melton | DeRozan | Batum | Embiid
With Caruso, Oubre, Reed, Covington as your 4 guys filling in off the bench.

I don't think the Bulls would though. They'd be better off moving each guy individually, and I don't think they'd value Tobias beyond as an expiring in a rebuild.

[M2J]

Harris/Korkmaz/1st for Derozan/Caruso


Maxey/Melton/Beverley
Derozan/Caruso/Springer
Batum/Oubre/House
Covington/Morris/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba

Maybe?
I imagine the lineup would look more like:

Maxey | Melton | DeRozan | Batum | Embiid
With Caruso, Oubre, Reed, Covington as your 4 guys filling in off the bench.

I don't think the Bulls would though. They'd be better off moving each guy individually, and I don't think they'd value Tobias beyond as an expiring in a rebuild.

Philly may have to move Tobi in a 3 way deal where he can help a fringe team or contender for some level of capital.

[Dude-niagara]

With you there

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I read a lot of people here want to sign OG. But what if the Raptors go all out to keep him. Is Pascal Siakam such a bad #2 choice? Nurse knows him, he has been a part of a championship team, he fits the Joel timeline and the team would still have enough money to sign a Spencer Dinwiddle and a Kelly Obure to reasonable contracts.

Right now Maxey needs some help. He needs someone to take the load off of him. And Melton is more suited for a back up role. Trade for a Fultz for the season or someone that can handle the rock. Then I believe this team could make some serious noise in the playoffs.

If you can’t sign OG you move on to the next wing.

But if Toronto was going to sign him… why didn’t they extend him? Because they don’t want to give him the full bag.

For the rest of this year, the Sixers need two guards. One to start with Maxey, and one to back up Maxey. I also would think it’s preferable to let Springer be the 4th guard because you need to know if he can play or not, and if not you have the Beverley emergency card to play.

Masai going to give OG a max contract and let Pascal walk because he and Barnes are overlaps . No OG is not worth a max contract but he pairs great with Barnes and is only 26. They can always trade him later

[Sixerscan]

Toronto has let, what, 3 about to be 4 all stars walk for basically nothing just since 2019? Kawhi understandable), Lowry, Fred, now Siakam. Great work Masai.

[Embiid P]

Nobody is gonna create that Celts game thread?

We’re kind of yuck without Embiid and Oubre.

Done. Since I've been doing it all season thus far, I guess folks were waiting on me to do it lol.

[Negrodamus]

Toronto has let, what, 3 about to be 4 all stars walk for basically nothing just since 2019? Kawhi understandable), Lowry, Fred, now Siakam. Great work Masai.

It's really our faults for being selfish and not giving them Maxey for Lowry.

[Eyeamok]

Toronto has let, what, 3 about to be 4 all stars walk for basically nothing just since 2019? Kawhi understandable), Lowry, Fred, now Siakam. Great work Masai.

It's really our faults for being selfish and not giving them Maxey for Lowry.

I agree if the 76ers had traded Maxey for Lowery we would not be looking for someone to help Maxey out with ball handling duties right now, it would not be our problem.. So there's that !

[GutUNC]

Harris/Korkmaz/1st for Derozan/Caruso


Maxey/Melton/Beverley
Derozan/Caruso/Springer
Batum/Oubre/House
Covington/Morris/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba

Maybe?
I imagine the lineup would look more like:

Maxey | Melton | DeRozan | Batum | Embiid
With Caruso, Oubre, Reed, Covington as your 4 guys filling in off the bench.

I don't think the Bulls would though. They'd be better off moving each guy individually, and I don't think they'd value Tobias beyond as an expiring in a rebuild.

Philly may have to move Tobi in a 3 way deal where he can help a fringe team or contender for some level of capital.

Like the Sixers?

[76ciology]

Deni Avdija is one guy who would be a good fit on our team. He can make Tobi at the 4 work. He has size, very good defender, can play 3&4, has very good basketball IQ, can shoot/score and pass. He’s like Dario (but less shooter) but way mobile and better defender.

[stormi]

Harris/Korkmaz/1st for Derozan/Caruso


Maxey/Melton/Beverley
Derozan/Caruso/Springer
Batum/Oubre/House
Covington/Morris/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba

I could be talked into it. Tobias is a woeful basketball player, and is less impactful towards a winning environment than Covington or Batum are. Still refusing to shoot 3s, not making plays for others, still getting stuffed at the rim en masse against set defenses, poor defensive numbers. His salary must be consolidated in a trade this year.

I'm also really enjoy the Maxey-emergence, but he has his clear limitations in the halfcourt. I like that Nurse is maximizing him as a young Curry proto, flying around screens and shooting a lot of 3s since nobody can keep up with him - but his isolation game hasn't taken that leap yet and his passing isn't hitting advanced floor general levels.

I've been trying to talk myself in Lavine, for the past couple of weeks. I also don't mind going for Demar/Caruso either. (i just don't know who realistically else we could pry with our assets if we were to make a move in-season besides these disgruntled bulls).

I would use Derozan as the alpha in the halfcourt since that is his speciality. He's top 5 this season in turns of high minutes players regarding AST:TOV (behind only Haliburton, Conley and Tyus). Difficult shot maker out of the halfcourt, very good connector, someone with high basketball IQ like Batum that makes the tidy play. Let's not talk about his defense.

And then Caruso is a defensive gamechanger. Shooting the ball at a really high level this year too. Would be fun to watch him, Cov, Melton, Bev, Oubre in this scenario wreck havoc on the perimeter against guards and forwards with Embiid towering behind sweeping everything up.

All in all, my headspace is conflicted. I think we have some fundamental issues that someone like OG doesn't address. Someone like Demar does. Demar and Caruso have very concentrated skillsets that would help us check off a few more boxes on this roster as opposed to the 40 million dollar vibe killer that's singlehandedly killing off Embiid's prime. [[inb4 he shoots 12/17 against the Wizards or Hornets next week and his advocates have the apology forms out]]

[Bum Adebayo]

Deni Avdija is one guy who would be a good fit on our team. He can make Tobi at the 4 work. He has size, very good defender, can play 3&4, has very good basketball IQ, can shoot/score and pass. He’s like Dario (but less shooter) but way mobile and better defender.

Yes, Avdija is THE solution!