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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#821 » by WargamesX » Sun Dec 3, 2023 5:03 pm

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Unless he is a better defender than I remember I don’t think we need this trade like we did last year.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#822 » by RHODEY » Sun Dec 3, 2023 5:25 pm

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Unless he is a better defender than I remember I don’t think we need this trade like we did last year.

I think we definitely still do. A string of wins versus mediocre and bad terms doesn't change the fact that we need size, shot creation and shooting in the starting lineup. It would be great if he was a good defender too but I'll settle for 3 out of 4 for the Low price of Fournier and a crappy protect first.

PS Watching his first comback game versus the Cavs last night cemented my opinion. Boggy would help us so much.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#823 » by Polk377 » Sun Dec 3, 2023 6:05 pm

RHODEY wrote:
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RHODEY wrote:


Unless he is a better defender than I remember I don’t think we need this trade like we did last year.

I think we definitely still do. A string of wins versus mediocre and bad terms doesn't change the fact that we need size, shot creation and shooting in the starting lineup. It would be great if he was a good defender too but I'll settle for 3 out of 4 for the Low price of Fournier and a crappy protect first.

PS Watching his first comback game versus the Cavs last night cemented my opinion. Boggy would help us so much.

He is still the best choice to plug into this lineup in different situations and not shake up the core of this team. He is a big time shot maker who doesn't fold under pressure.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#825 » by RHODEY » Sun Dec 3, 2023 6:21 pm

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WargamesX wrote:
Unless he is a better defender than I remember I don’t think we need this trade like we did last year.

I think we definitely still do. A string of wins versus mediocre and bad terms doesn't change the fact that we need size, shot creation and shooting in the starting lineup. It would be great if he was a good defender too but I'll settle for 3 out of 4 for the Low price of Fournier and a crappy protect first.

PS Watching his first comback game versus the Cavs last night cemented my opinion. Boggy would help us so much.

He is still the best choice to plug into this lineup in different situations and not shake up the core of this team. He is a big time shot maker who doesn't fold under pressure.

Exactly!
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#826 » by WargamesX » Sun Dec 3, 2023 8:32 pm

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RHODEY wrote:I think we definitely still do. A string of wins versus mediocre and bad terms doesn't change the fact that we need size, shot creation and shooting in the starting lineup. It would be great if he was a good defender too but I'll settle for 3 out of 4 for the Low price of Fournier and a crappy protect first.

PS Watching his first comback game versus the Cavs last night cemented my opinion. Boggy would help us so much.

He is still the best choice to plug into this lineup in different situations and not shake up the core of this team. He is a big time shot maker who doesn't fold under pressure.

Exactly!


I disagree, I think we need an elite defender to get wins against top teams.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#827 » by nykballa2k4 » Sun Dec 3, 2023 9:56 pm

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RHODEY wrote:
Polk377 wrote:He is still the best choice to plug into this lineup in different situations and not shake up the core of this team. He is a big time shot maker who doesn't fold under pressure.

Exactly!


I disagree, I think we need an elite defender to get wins against top teams.


We need Grimes to be a perfect 3-D wing and we need an all purpose wing with some size. Basically we need OG, Taureen Prince would make a great low end option.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#828 » by aggo » Sun Dec 3, 2023 10:00 pm




yeah hes good.

but is he 4frps good?


I would love to run it with brunson, Donovan Mitchell, markkanen


but I dont think even OKC has enough picks to pull something like that
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#829 » by RHODEY » Mon Dec 4, 2023 12:34 am

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yeah hes good.

but is he 4frps good?


I would love to run it with brunson, Donovan Mitchell, markkanen


but I dont think even OKC has enough picks to pull something like that


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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#830 » by Polk377 » Mon Dec 4, 2023 6:22 am

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RHODEY wrote:
Polk377 wrote:He is still the best choice to plug into this lineup in different situations and not shake up the core of this team. He is a big time shot maker who doesn't fold under pressure.

Exactly!


I disagree, I think we need an elite defender to get wins against top teams.

The Knicks are 1st in the NBA at opponents PPG and 4th in Defensive Rating. They don't need another defender. The defense has been great.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#831 » by Polk377 » Mon Dec 4, 2023 6:34 am

aggo wrote:



yeah hes good.

but is he 4frps good?


I would love to run it with brunson, Donovan Mitchell, markkanen


but I dont think even OKC has enough picks to pull something like that

I would love to get Markkanen on the Knicks. I would even trade RJ for him and I am an RJ fan.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#832 » by KnixinSix » Mon Dec 4, 2023 12:53 pm

aggo wrote:



yeah hes good.

but is he 4frps good?


I would love to run it with brunson, Donovan Mitchell, markkanen


but I dont think even OKC has enough picks to pull something like that


Yeah....
Look at rhe situations to know what the potential type of asking price will be.

Utah is in full tank mode. Think Philly and Morey a few years back. They are going to want draft picks first and then super young players with years of cost control. Probably Grimes or Quickley, possibly RJ (23yo with a low contract) and mutliple FRPs. If it is just Grimes itll be more picks.

Cleveland made the move for Mitchell because they wanted to compete. In year 2, they are possibly finding out their team construction may not be ideal. Will they still want to remain competitive or go tank mode. I think they will try and remain competitive which posaibly means Mitchell costs one of Quickly, RJ or Randle. Quickley is by far the most expendable with our glut of Guards and then trading for another in Mitchell.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#833 » by nykballa2k4 » Mon Dec 4, 2023 2:45 pm

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aggo wrote:



yeah hes good.

but is he 4frps good?


I would love to run it with brunson, Donovan Mitchell, markkanen


but I dont think even OKC has enough picks to pull something like that


Yeah....
Look at rhe situations to know what the potential type of asking price will be.

Utah is in full tank mode. Think Philly and Morey a few years back. They are going to want draft picks first and then super young players with years of cost control. Probably Grimes or Quickley, possibly RJ (23yo with a low contract) and mutliple FRPs. If it is just Grimes itll be more picks.

Cleveland made the move for Mitchell because they wanted to compete. In year 2, they are possibly finding out their team construction may not be ideal. Will they still want to remain competitive or go tank mode. I think they will try and remain competitive which posaibly means Mitchell costs one of Quickly, RJ or Randle. Quickley is by far the most expendable with our glut of Guards and then trading for another in Mitchell.

One of our biggest fears should be CLE trading Spida to us for RJ and a plethora of picks, then moving that pick-bank for OG for themselves.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#834 » by Polk377 » Mon Dec 4, 2023 9:59 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
aggo wrote:

yeah hes good.

but is he 4frps good?


I would love to run it with brunson, Donovan Mitchell, markkanen


but I dont think even OKC has enough picks to pull something like that


Yeah....
Look at rhe situations to know what the potential type of asking price will be.

Utah is in full tank mode. Think Philly and Morey a few years back. They are going to want draft picks first and then super young players with years of cost control. Probably Grimes or Quickley, possibly RJ (23yo with a low contract) and mutliple FRPs. If it is just Grimes itll be more picks.

Cleveland made the move for Mitchell because they wanted to compete. In year 2, they are possibly finding out their team construction may not be ideal. Will they still want to remain competitive or go tank mode. I think they will try and remain competitive which posaibly means Mitchell costs one of Quickly, RJ or Randle. Quickley is by far the most expendable with our glut of Guards and then trading for another in Mitchell.

One of our biggest fears should be CLE trading Spida to us for RJ and a plethora of picks, then moving that pick-bank for OG for themselves.

Why? OG is a role player, nothing more.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#835 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Dec 5, 2023 12:02 am

Polk377 wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
Yeah....
Look at rhe situations to know what the potential type of asking price will be.

Utah is in full tank mode. Think Philly and Morey a few years back. They are going to want draft picks first and then super young players with years of cost control. Probably Grimes or Quickley, possibly RJ (23yo with a low contract) and mutliple FRPs. If it is just Grimes itll be more picks.

Cleveland made the move for Mitchell because they wanted to compete. In year 2, they are possibly finding out their team construction may not be ideal. Will they still want to remain competitive or go tank mode. I think they will try and remain competitive which posaibly means Mitchell costs one of Quickly, RJ or Randle. Quickley is by far the most expendable with our glut of Guards and then trading for another in Mitchell.

One of our biggest fears should be CLE trading Spida to us for RJ and a plethora of picks, then moving that pick-bank for OG for themselves.

Why? OG is a role player, nothing more.


If DM is gonna leave, and everyone knows he's not signing an extension because he wants NYK, They are not getting what they paid for him. No team is gonna pay for a rental. So the best bet is for them to trade him to us and get whatever we are willing to give. This all depends on what Donovan does though. It's already assumed by all that he wants to be here. Now he has to say it next year. That lowers the cost.

I won't even try to pretend we can afford him and Lauri. Danny Ainge is a nut job!!! I won't even attempt a trade proposal for him! :lol:
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#836 » by DaGawd » Tue Dec 5, 2023 12:15 am

nykballa2k4 wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
aggo wrote:

yeah hes good.

but is he 4frps good?


I would love to run it with brunson, Donovan Mitchell, markkanen


but I dont think even OKC has enough picks to pull something like that


Yeah....
Look at rhe situations to know what the potential type of asking price will be.

Utah is in full tank mode. Think Philly and Morey a few years back. They are going to want draft picks first and then super young players with years of cost control. Probably Grimes or Quickley, possibly RJ (23yo with a low contract) and mutliple FRPs. If it is just Grimes itll be more picks.

Cleveland made the move for Mitchell because they wanted to compete. In year 2, they are possibly finding out their team construction may not be ideal. Will they still want to remain competitive or go tank mode. I think they will try and remain competitive which posaibly means Mitchell costs one of Quickly, RJ or Randle. Quickley is by far the most expendable with our glut of Guards and then trading for another in Mitchell.

One of our biggest fears should be CLE trading Spida to us for RJ and a plethora of picks, then moving that pick-bank for OG for themselves.

og is extremely overrated at this point
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#837 » by nykballa2k4 » Tue Dec 5, 2023 1:58 am

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Polk377 wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:One of our biggest fears should be CLE trading Spida to us for RJ and a plethora of picks, then moving that pick-bank for OG for themselves.

Why? OG is a role player, nothing more.


If DM is gonna leave, and everyone knows he's not signing an extension because he wants NYK, They are not getting what they paid for him. No team is gonna pay for a rental. So the best bet is for them to trade him to us and get whatever we are willing to give. This all depends on what Donovan does though. It's already assumed by all that he wants to be here. Now he has to say it next year. That lowers the cost.

I won't even try to pretend we can afford him and Lauri. Danny Ainge is a nut job!!! I won't even attempt a trade proposal for him! :lol:


OG is a high-end role player. More importantly, he is the sort of player that can star in a game without scoring or only scoring on a few shots because he would be packing the stat sheet elsewhere, would be taking on the other teams top gun. Like a Harrison Barnes upgrade.

Barnes, FWIW, would be my "affordable" target.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#838 » by Polk377 » Tue Dec 5, 2023 4:48 am

nykballa2k4 wrote:
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Polk377 wrote:Why? OG is a role player, nothing more.


If DM is gonna leave, and everyone knows he's not signing an extension because he wants NYK, They are not getting what they paid for him. No team is gonna pay for a rental. So the best bet is for them to trade him to us and get whatever we are willing to give. This all depends on what Donovan does though. It's already assumed by all that he wants to be here. Now he has to say it next year. That lowers the cost.

I won't even try to pretend we can afford him and Lauri. Danny Ainge is a nut job!!! I won't even attempt a trade proposal for him! :lol:


OG is a high-end role player. More importantly, he is the sort of player that can star in a game without scoring or only scoring on a few shots because he would be packing the stat sheet elsewhere, would be taking on the other teams top gun. Like a Harrison Barnes upgrade.

Barnes, FWIW, would be my "affordable" target.

Everytime I see OG play I am underwhelmed. A few shots a game? He is averaging 12 shots a game now and doesnt exactly stuff the stat sheets averaging 4 rebounds with 2 assists a game. Yes he will get a few blocks or steals but his play is sloppy. He isn't worth the asking price or the kind of extention he is seeking. He is highly overhyped.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#839 » by Esq-4 » Tue Dec 5, 2023 5:08 am

Polk377 wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
If DM is gonna leave, and everyone knows he's not signing an extension because he wants NYK, They are not getting what they paid for him. No team is gonna pay for a rental. So the best bet is for them to trade him to us and get whatever we are willing to give. This all depends on what Donovan does though. It's already assumed by all that he wants to be here. Now he has to say it next year. That lowers the cost.

I won't even try to pretend we can afford him and Lauri. Danny Ainge is a nut job!!! I won't even attempt a trade proposal for him! :lol:


OG is a high-end role player. More importantly, he is the sort of player that can star in a game without scoring or only scoring on a few shots because he would be packing the stat sheet elsewhere, would be taking on the other teams top gun. Like a Harrison Barnes upgrade.

Barnes, FWIW, would be my "affordable" target.

Everytime I see OG play I am underwhelmed. A few shots a game? He is averaging 12 shots a game now and doesnt exactly stuff the stat sheets averaging 4 rebounds with 2 assists a game. Yes he will get a few blocks or steals but his play is sloppy. He isn't worth the asking price or the kind of extention he is seeking. He is highly overhyped.


I never got the asking price. He's guy you want on your team, but there is a limit.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas 

Post#840 » by Meat » Tue Dec 5, 2023 7:52 pm

aggo wrote:



yeah hes good.

but is he 4frps good?


I would love to run it with brunson, Donovan Mitchell, markkanen


but I dont think even OKC has enough picks to pull something like that


at 26? yeah he's worth 4

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