Siakam is shooting the 3 at a historically bad rate, and has a chance to be one of the worst in NBA history.

[ItsDanger]

If he shoots 27% on same volume rest of way, that's still 25% overall. The numbers certainly are not in his favour.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Fred did the same to start last year, he got 44m per. I doubt it effects his market tbh.

The teams that would want him, still probably want him.

Fred shot 32.7% in the first 20 games last season, Siakam isn't even close.

I'm dead serious about this, it is historically bad.

Given the situation, I don't think it'll factor in. He's still going to get paid.

[TorontoBarneys]

They should try getting him into situations where he's completely open and he can take his time forming the shot, and only take those shots to begin with. I've seen him try to force the situation and take ill-advised 3s for several games now. We all know he can dominate down low. Whether you want him gone or not you only stand to benefit from him finding his mojo again behind the arc.

That's actually not the case, as per Fairviews post earlier in the thread, he's doing this with 96% of his shots categorized as open (31.6% of the total attempts), or wide open (64.5% of the total attempts).

He's missing tons of shots, and they are good looks. And they aren't rushed either, 62% of his attempts are between 18-7 seconds on the shot clock.

Whelp. Then I guess trade him on the 15th before his value tanks any harder than it has? You could still sell it as a temporary slump, I guess.

[Dexjackson]

Love the scene that comes after this one lol

[PushDaRock]

Suggs would be the worst all time but seems like his 48 games played didn't qualify him. He shot 21% on 4 attempts per game his rookie season.

[Scase]

They should try getting him into situations where he's completely open and he can take his time forming the shot, and only take those shots to begin with. I've seen him try to force the situation and take ill-advised 3s for several games now. We all know he can dominate down low. Whether you want him gone or not you only stand to benefit from him finding his mojo again behind the arc.

That's actually not the case, as per Fairviews post earlier in the thread, he's doing this with 96% of his shots categorized as open (31.6% of the total attempts), or wide open (64.5% of the total attempts).

He's missing tons of shots, and they are good looks. And they aren't rushed either, 62% of his attempts are between 18-7 seconds on the shot clock.

Whelp. Then I guess trade him on the 15th before his value tanks any harder than it has? You could still sell it as a temporary slump, I guess.

Yeah, I don't think this is indicative of Siakams actual 3pt shooting, I expect him to get closer to his career averages as the year progresses, but I was shocked at how bad it was historically speaking.

[Scase]

Suggs would be the worst all time but seems like his 48 games played didn't qualify him. He shot 21% on 4 attempts per game his rookie season.

Honestly even if he did, I probably would have left him out since it was his rookie seasons. Or at the very least had him with an asterisk.

[GP2]

Not good at all. Doesn't help that Yak doesn't stretch the floor either so that paint is gonna remain super clogged regardless. Running some archaic lineups out there right now.

Thankfully Scottie has been hitting his 3s or this offense would be that much more brutal.

Hopefully Pascal turns it around, if only for his trade value.

If he turns it around, Masai and Bobby will be begging him to take 30% of the cap.

[Duffman100]

That's actually not the case, as per Fairviews post earlier in the thread, he's doing this with 96% of his shots categorized as open (31.6% of the total attempts), or wide open (64.5% of the total attempts).

He's missing tons of shots, and they are good looks. And they aren't rushed either, 62% of his attempts are between 18-7 seconds on the shot clock.

Whelp. Then I guess trade him on the 15th before his value tanks any harder than it has? You could still sell it as a temporary slump, I guess.

Yeah, I don't think this is indicative of Siakams actual 3pt shooting, I expect him to get closer to his career averages as the year progresses, but I was shocked at how bad it was historically speaking.

Is it bad historically? I don't think you've mentioned that yet.

[tecumseh18]

His 3 just looks totally broken this year, it's beyond bizarre. He wasn't ever good but it wasn't this bad.

It really sucks because so much of our success was dependent on both him and Scottie stretching the floor. Scottie is doing his part...

Yeah and that's why I think it's gotta be something mental, I'm not seeing anything wildly different from years past, granted I havent poured over years of video of him shooting, but nothing stands out at first glance.

His first 5 games he shot 38%, and then since then, is shooting 9.6%, so I'm not sure what mentally could be impacting it. It would make more sense if he just started awful and kept digging a deeper hole, but that seemingly isn't the case.

Could be just some nagging injury he got after 5 games. But I don't really see it on the court. BTW, he seems to be missing more bunnies at the rim than before, but that's just eye test. For some reason, Fairview's link doesn't do previous seasons. In young players, FT% is often seen as a precursor stat for how well they can learn to shoot the 3. Siakam's current FT rate of 74.5% is his lowest since the 2017-18 season. So ... Aha!? Not really, because his FT rate in 2021-22 was only marginally better at 74.9%, when he shot an acceptable 34.4% from 3. So I don't see a connection there.

Why would it be mental? Pascal has always thought highly of himself. I remember in his first interview after we drafted him, he snorted with derision at the suggestion that he had been drafted to replace the recently departed Biz. He didn't like being sent to the G-League after being in the starting lineup with the big club. And of course, before last season he famously suggested that he was a top 10/top 5 player in the league, and for a while proceeded to play like it, until he got injured.

He knows this season is his last chance for a big payday, and maybe he's just choking. He's counting the dollars when he's taking all those wide open 3s.

[Scase]

Whelp. Then I guess trade him on the 15th before his value tanks any harder than it has? You could still sell it as a temporary slump, I guess.

Yeah, I don't think this is indicative of Siakams actual 3pt shooting, I expect him to get closer to his career averages as the year progresses, but I was shocked at how bad it was historically speaking.

Is it bad historically? I don't think you've mentioned that yet.

I feel like I keep having to with some people (not Barneys) not reading the OP

[Scase]

His 3 just looks totally broken this year, it's beyond bizarre. He wasn't ever good but it wasn't this bad.

It really sucks because so much of our success was dependent on both him and Scottie stretching the floor. Scottie is doing his part...

Yeah and that's why I think it's gotta be something mental, I'm not seeing anything wildly different from years past, granted I havent poured over years of video of him shooting, but nothing stands out at first glance.

His first 5 games he shot 38%, and then since then, is shooting 9.6%, so I'm not sure what mentally could be impacting it. It would make more sense if he just started awful and kept digging a deeper hole, but that seemingly isn't the case.

Could be just some nagging injury he got after 5 games. But I don't really see it on the court. BTW, he seems to be missing more bunnies at the rim than before, but that's just eye test. For some reason, Fairview's link doesn't do previous seasons. In young players, FT% is often seen as a precursor stat for how well they can learn to shoot the 3. Siakam's current FT rate of 74.5% is his lowest since the 2017-18 season. So ... Aha!? Not really, because his FT rate in 2021-22 was only marginally better at 74.9%, when he shot an acceptable 34.4% from 3. So I don't see a connection there.

Why would it be mental? Pascal has always thought highly of himself. I remember in his first interview after we drafted him, he snorted with derision at the suggestion that he had been drafted to replace the recently departed Biz. He didn't like being sent to the G-League after being in the starting lineup with the big club. And of course, before last season he famously suggested that he was a top 10/top 5 player in the league, and for a while proceeded to play like it, until he got injured.

He knows this season is his last chance for a big payday, and maybe he's just choking. He's counting the dollars when he's taking all those wide open 3s.

I think the way the whole contract/trade situation has gone to date would take a strain on anyones self value/worth. Toronto is all he's ever known, and maybe the prospect of having your entire life uprooted is stressing him out.

I would also classify choking as a mental issue, and well, we all know how Siakam has performed in the clutch in the past....

[StopitLeo]

His 3 just looks totally broken this year, it's beyond bizarre. He wasn't ever good but it wasn't this bad.

It really sucks because so much of our success was dependent on both him and Scottie stretching the floor. Scottie is doing his part...

Something is definitely broken. It's like we are back in 2017-2018 when he was shooting a historically low 15-17% on ≥2 attempts per game. He turned that around to 37% and 36% the next two seasons but has been either below average or REALLY below average since. It's quite strange.

[PhilBlackson]

Delete this thread before the boatload of all the lurkers from other boards come in here & read this lol

Then we'll never hear the end of it when the trade deadline rolls around, we try to propose deals & they'll constantly throw this in our faces lol

[Scase]

Delete this thread before the boatload of all the lurkers from other boards come in here & read this lol

Then we'll never hear the end of it when the trade deadline rolls around, we try to propose deals & they'll constantly throw this in our faces lol

I'm just shocked that there hasn't been a whole slew of people coming in to defend him , granted I don't know how you defend these numbers.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

It's actually not that bad of thing. All it means is that he likely regresses to the mean, and shoots a better percentage which will lead to better offensive flow and probably a better winning percentage for the team. Sorry to all the frothing Siakam haters.

[OakleyDokely]

I think it's mostly a sample size issue and it will normalize over time, like GTJ's FT %.

The 3 really hasn't been a big component of his game since the 19/20 season. His made 3s and attempts have gone down dramatically since that season as his focus on interior scoring has intensified. .

[kalel123]

Kinda mind boggling that an all-NBA vet that's coming up on his free agency couldn't be bothered to work and improve on his 3.

[dTox]

His 3 pt shot (or lack of) makes the trio of Siakam-Barnes-Poetl even more difficult to work with, trade deadline can't come soon enough.

[Scase]

I think it's mostly a sample size issue and it will normalize over time, like GTJ's FT %.

The 3 really hasn't been a big component of his game since the 19/20 season. His made 3s and attempts have gone down dramatically since that season as his focus on interior scoring has intensified. .

I'm sorry what? He had a singular year that was an outlier of 6.1 attempts and 2.2 makes. Every year following has been :

4.4 - 1.3
3.2 - 1.1
4.0 - 1.3
4.1 - 0.8

Those 4 years account for more than 50% of his entire careers worth of minutes played. 7196 (1st 4 years) vs 7922 (last 3+ this year).

As for saying it will normalize, I mean sure, most likely, but that doesn't change where he will end up, bottom 5 in NBA history.