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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#961 » by 76ciology » Wed Dec 6, 2023 4:05 am

The problem with OG and/or Grant are we’d be passing the ball like a hot potato and jacking up hail marys when Biid is not playing.

I like the idea of having both, but you have to factor Biid’s inconsistency and the REALISTIC limitations of Maxey.

And both OG&Jerami also sounds like hella expensive that it could empty or almost empty our treasure chest for upgrades in the future.

A deal for Siakam could be a highway robbery for us, IF Nurse can make him buy into playing defense. Just like his 2018-2020 version. Which is mutually what both parties want for Siakam wants to play for a team that can make him get the ALL NBA team award, for supermax.

We can sell him the idea that we can get his 20ppg (he were able to make it at 22ppg) without forcing it just like how we were able to get it for Oubre and Tobias; and during 20+ games of Jojo’s absence when he can have his 18FGAs. While he repays us by focusing on rebounding and defense. He gets it done by 11-12 TRB%, 1.8-2 stocks per game while being a 1-5 defender.

We then become a match-up nightmare for the Celts where we have length to match, and a 4-5 duo to attack their weak link on defense. Al and KP’s defense. Whoever KP is guarding will be bullied. Celts would also have to play a double big line-up, which they dont prefer.

Against the Bucks, we have enough length to crowd Giannis in the paint. Siakam, Reed and Embiid are all capable 1v1 defenders against Giannis. Biid can also step out to challenge Dame with Siakam, Batum, Roco and Oubre having the length to provide some rim protection. Same will be done against the Nuggets.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#962 » by the_process » Wed Dec 6, 2023 1:10 pm

Sportfan73 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Stay away from Siakam and Derozan, tbh.

Neither can shoot and neither play defense, at this point.

Anunoby or Grant or stand pat.


Sneak Kuzma in there too as a dark horse


Kuzma is a turnstile last I saw. And only a mediocre shooter. If he was a lights out shooter then it could be something to consider, but he's not close to that. So no.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#963 » by youngcrev » Wed Dec 6, 2023 1:31 pm

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Sportfan73 wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Stay away from Siakam and Derozan, tbh.

Neither can shoot and neither play defense, at this point.

Anunoby or Grant or stand pat.


Sneak Kuzma in there too as a dark horse


Kuzma is a turnstile last I saw. And only a mediocre shooter. If he was a lights out shooter then it could be something to consider, but he's not close to that. So no.


I think he means on the stay away portion, although I can't imagine anyone advocating for him in the first place.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#964 » by youngcrev » Wed Dec 6, 2023 2:25 pm

Stanford wrote:Siakam can't shoot, he's a terrible fit. Stay away!


The shot is a pretty major red flag, but he does provide a combination of size, playmaking and defense that could be really helpful to this team IMO. I've personally never been a big Siakam guy in general, but I think it's partly because he's got such an awkward game. If he's your 3rd best player, you've got a good team, particularly if your best guy is an MVP caliber player.

And in terms of mid season major acquisitions, it seems like we'd be uniquely qualified in terms of getting him integrated quickly with Nurse here.

I get the spacing concerns, but haven't people been pushing for frickin BBall Paul to get minutes with Jo?
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Post#965 » by phillynative » Wed Dec 6, 2023 5:27 pm

I could warm up to the idea of Siakim. The concerns about spacing are there , but I think you could and would have to just add more shooting around them.
If he's cheaper than the other options than we should be able to a have a piece or two leftover to do so.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#966 » by Tony Franciosa » Wed Dec 6, 2023 6:12 pm

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Read on Twitter


Lmao


Hoisting PJs contract next year off onto the Clippers and removing the offensive vacuum both years was a huge part of winning the Harden deal.


he's an albatross in so many ways: contractually, offensively, etc... really not worth what he's being paid to be only a vet who just barks at everyone else on the team to be better.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#967 » by M2J » Wed Dec 6, 2023 8:39 pm

Just give up Mikal Brooklyn!!!!!!! Better yet....


Request the trade Mikal!!!!!
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Post#968 » by M2J » Thu Dec 7, 2023 7:42 am

:o https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/injuries/breaking-significant-zach-lavine-injury-update-following-hornets-bulls-game

Zach to actively rest for 3-4 weeks. That's just around the time Philly can trade their Clippers players. :o
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Post#969 » by 76ciology » Thu Dec 7, 2023 11:21 am

Also take into consideration that we run a non-stationary offense. If Siakam’s defender goes to double biid at the elbow, he’s gonna score higher points per shot cutting to the paint than Tobi or Roco taking a spot up 3.

We also generate a lot of steals and fastbreak, Siakam would get a lot of his scoring most of his baskets in transition and lightly contested shots in the paint.

You want Markannen? You can trade Siakam and picks for Markannen later on :lol:
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#970 » by Sportfan73 » Thu Dec 7, 2023 11:58 am

youngcrev wrote:
the_process wrote:
Sportfan73 wrote:
Sneak Kuzma in there too as a dark horse


Kuzma is a turnstile last I saw. And only a mediocre shooter. If he was a lights out shooter then it could be something to consider, but he's not close to that. So no.


I think he means on the stay away portion, although I can't imagine anyone advocating for him in the first place.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#971 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Dec 7, 2023 12:26 pm

Harris/Morris/2026 OKC 1st/2028 LAC 1st/two 2nds for Mikal/Simmons


Maxey/Beverley/Springer
Bridges/Melton/Korkmaz
Batum/Oubre/House
Covington/Simmons/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba
2025-2026 Philadelphia 76ers:

Maxey/McCain/Lowry
Edgecombe/Grimes/Gordon
George/Oubre/Edwards
Watford/Barlow/Walker
Embiid/Drummond/Bona/Broome
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#972 » by youngcrev » Thu Dec 7, 2023 1:07 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:Harris/Morrs/2026 OKC 1st/2028 LAC 1st/two 2nds for Mikal/Simmons


Maxey/Beverley/Springer
Bridges/Melton/Korkmaz
Batum/Oubre/House
Covington/Simmons/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba


"I'll always have love for Philly," Simmons said. "People always ask me like, 'If you were to get traded again where you want it to be?' I always say, 'Just Philly. Philly is a second home to me.' And in time, you learn and grow as people."

:wink:

But yeah, you do that. I don't think the Nets do it though. I think they're waiting on Donovan Mitchell's free agency.
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Post#973 » by M2J » Thu Dec 7, 2023 2:25 pm

youngcrev wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Harris/Morrs/2026 OKC 1st/2028 LAC 1st/two 2nds for Mikal/Simmons


Maxey/Beverley/Springer
Bridges/Melton/Korkmaz
Batum/Oubre/House
Covington/Simmons/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba


"I'll always have love for Philly," Simmons said. "People always ask me like, 'If you were to get traded again where you want it to be?' I always say, 'Just Philly. Philly is a second home to me.' And in time, you learn and grow as people."

:wink:

But yeah, you do that. I don't think the Nets do it though. I think they're waiting on Donovan Mitchell's free agency.


So they can double down on mediocrity

Ben is there, no one wants him. Time to acquire assets and look for a young centerpiece. Bridges isn't necessarily young and isn't a centerpiece, but a building block.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#974 » by youngcrev » Thu Dec 7, 2023 2:31 pm

M2J wrote::o https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/injuries/breaking-significant-zach-lavine-injury-update-following-hornets-bulls-game

Zach to actively rest for 3-4 weeks. That's just around the time Philly can trade their Clippers players. :o


I'd probably convince myself after the fact if they traded for him. Obviously, the combination of a quick trigger 3 and the ability to attack a closeout could be lethal playing off of Embiid and Maxey.

But man, that guy just feels like a loser to me. And the defense next to Maxey would be so much more pressure on Embiid at the rim.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#975 » by youngcrev » Thu Dec 7, 2023 2:38 pm

M2J wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Harris/Morrs/2026 OKC 1st/2028 LAC 1st/two 2nds for Mikal/Simmons


Maxey/Beverley/Springer
Bridges/Melton/Korkmaz
Batum/Oubre/House
Covington/Simmons/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba


"I'll always have love for Philly," Simmons said. "People always ask me like, 'If you were to get traded again where you want it to be?' I always say, 'Just Philly. Philly is a second home to me.' And in time, you learn and grow as people."

:wink:

But yeah, you do that. I don't think the Nets do it though. I think they're waiting on Donovan Mitchell's free agency.


So they can double down on mediocrity

Ben is there, no one wants him. Time to acquire assets and look for a young centerpiece. Bridges isn't necessarily young and isn't a centerpiece, but a building block.


I think they view Bridges as a building block that stars want to play with, likely with an eye on free agency in 2025 when the market looks more interesting and Ben is off the books.

And with them not owning their own picks, there's no incentive to tank.

The value is probably right, I just don't seem like they want to trade Mikal, or are willing to pay to get off Ben.
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Post#976 » by M2J » Thu Dec 7, 2023 3:01 pm

youngcrev wrote:
M2J wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
"I'll always have love for Philly," Simmons said. "People always ask me like, 'If you were to get traded again where you want it to be?' I always say, 'Just Philly. Philly is a second home to me.' And in time, you learn and grow as people."

:wink:

But yeah, you do that. I don't think the Nets do it though. I think they're waiting on Donovan Mitchell's free agency.


So they can double down on mediocrity

Ben is there, no one wants him. Time to acquire assets and look for a young centerpiece. Bridges isn't necessarily young and isn't a centerpiece, but a building block.


I think they view Bridges as a building block that stars want to play with, likely with an eye on free agency in 2025 when the market looks more interesting and Ben is off the books.

And with them not owning their own picks, there's no incentive to tank.

The value is probably right, I just don't seem like they want to trade Mikal, or are willing to pay to get off Ben.


Thomas needs to become that player for them, and Claxton. Bridges and Johnson need to be sold off for assets to hopefully find a young star that is a centerpiece. They lack cap flexibility due to Ben, and they're free agent destination city.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#977 » by Sportfan73 » Thu Dec 7, 2023 3:05 pm

youngcrev wrote:
M2J wrote::o https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/injuries/breaking-significant-zach-lavine-injury-update-following-hornets-bulls-game

Zach to actively rest for 3-4 weeks. That's just around the time Philly can trade their Clippers players. :o


I'd probably convince myself after the fact if they traded for him. Obviously, the combination of a quick trigger 3 and the ability to attack a closeout could be lethal playing off of Embiid and Maxey.

But man, that guy just feels like a loser to me. And the defense next to Maxey would be so much more pressure on Embiid at the rim.

The spacing he would have here off of Embiid and maxey’s gravity would make us a generationally good offense. He would feast and the play style matches up so well
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#978 » by the_process » Thu Dec 7, 2023 3:31 pm

If the price is Tobias straight up, I would take LaVine. Anything more and the answer is unequivocally no.

Don't really want LaVine but if you can get him for nothing he is certainly a guy you can pump and dump, even with that contract, because he's capable of putting up big numbers and making AS teams. And the FA stuff likely won't bear any fruit, instead Morey will make trades to use the cap space should they have it. And you can keep the picks this way.

However, instead of LaVine, what the Sixers really should be doing is finding a way to use Tobias to get their 25 pick back from OKC.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#979 » by youngcrev » Thu Dec 7, 2023 3:57 pm

M2J wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
M2J wrote:
So they can double down on mediocrity

Ben is there, no one wants him. Time to acquire assets and look for a young centerpiece. Bridges isn't necessarily young and isn't a centerpiece, but a building block.


I think they view Bridges as a building block that stars want to play with, likely with an eye on free agency in 2025 when the market looks more interesting and Ben is off the books.

And with them not owning their own picks, there's no incentive to tank.

The value is probably right, I just don't seem like they want to trade Mikal, or are willing to pay to get off Ben.


Thomas needs to become that player for them, and Claxton. Bridges and Johnson need to be sold off for assets to hopefully find a young star that is a centerpiece. They lack cap flexibility due to Ben, and they're free agent destination city.


They lack cap space in a pretty mediocre year to have cap space (as we well know), and Ben in gone the following year.

I think Bridges and Johnson are way better pieces than Thomas or Claxton in the context of a team that's actually good. If they can get a guy like Mitchell there, they compliment him extremely well with their length and floor spacing.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#980 » by LeonJordanJr24 » Thu Dec 7, 2023 4:05 pm

I'd trade Tobias for picks .

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