The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2

[Fairview4Life]

I see this comment a lot on here. This is complete BS. Seen rebuilds on this team, other NBA teams AND plenty of other teams in other leagues over several years. WTF.

We haven’t rebuilt in a long time. Who cares if you’ve seen it on other teams, that’s irrelevant. The question is can you guys handle watching the ups and downs of prospects on our team? I’d say that’s unlikely judging by some people’s posts.

Rebuilds take patience.

It's 100% relevant. You act like people just started watching Raptors games 5 years ago. WTF.

Watching a team you don’t personally care about is the irrelevant part if the question is if you have the patience to watch a rebuild of a team you personally do care about. That what TF it means.

[Duffman100]

Again, the revisionist history that BC was 'tanking' and building the 'proper way' is one of the weirdest arguments I've ever seen this forum make.

This team hasn't really had an intentional tank and rebuild. They've just been mediocre / bad while trying to be good. Similar to us the last season and a half.

[ItsDanger]

We haven’t rebuilt in a long time. Who cares if you’ve seen it on other teams, that’s irrelevant. The question is can you guys handle watching the ups and downs of prospects on our team? I’d say that’s unlikely judging by some people’s posts.

Rebuilds take patience.

It's 100% relevant. You act like people just started watching Raptors games 5 years ago. WTF.

Watching a team you don’t personally care about is the irrelevant part if the question is if you have the patience to watch a rebuild of a team you personally do care about. That what TF it means.

I signed up here in 2008, obviously I have the patience as do others. The sanctimonious tone is pure comedy. Rebuilds happen all the time. And your comparison is utter nonesense. Fans have seen ups and downs on many teams including this one. Suggesting people dont have patience indicates someone who just starting watching recently.

[Fairview4Life]

It's 100% relevant. You act like people just started watching Raptors games 5 years ago. WTF.

Watching a team you don’t personally care about is the irrelevant part if the question is if you have the patience to watch a rebuild of a team you personally do care about. That what TF it means.

I signed up here in 2008, obviously I have the patience as do others. The sanctimonious tone is pure comedy. Rebuilds happen all the time. And your comparison is utter nonesense. Fans have seen ups and downs on many teams including this one. Suggesting people dont have patience indicates someone who just starting watching recently.

It is very funny that you of all people are getting up in arms over other people being sanctimonious lol.

The point about seeing other teams rebuild is irrelevant. Because we don’t really care about other teams. We can tune out for years and see them pop back up without giving a ****. You pay any real attention to the magic over the last half decade? How many games you watch? Think you’d feel the same way about their rebuild if you actually cared about the outcome of their games as much as you do about Raptors games? That’s the point about patience when it comes to watching the Raptors rebuild. If people are already losing their minds after 20 games from a 20 year old, they’re in for a rude awakening if we ever decide to actually clear the decks.

[ItsDanger]

Watching a team you don’t personally care about is the irrelevant part if the question is if you have the patience to watch a rebuild of a team you personally do care about. That what TF it means.

I signed up here in 2008, obviously I have the patience as do others. The sanctimonious tone is pure comedy. Rebuilds happen all the time. And your comparison is utter nonesense. Fans have seen ups and downs on many teams including this one. Suggesting people dont have patience indicates someone who just starting watching recently.

It is very funny that you of all people are getting up in arms over other people being sanctimonious lol.

The point about seeing other teams rebuild is irrelevant. Because we don’t really care about other teams. We can tune out for years and see them pop back up without giving a ****. You pay any real attention to the magic over the last half decade? How many games you watch? Think you’d feel the same way about their rebuild if you actually cared about the outcome of their games as much as you do about Raptors games? That’s the point about patience when it comes to watching the Raptors rebuild. If people are already losing their minds after 20 games from a 20 year old, they’re in for a rude awakening if we ever decide to actually clear the decks.

Whatever. This discussion is pointless obviously

[Fairview4Life]

Again, the revisionist history that BC was 'tanking' and building the 'proper way' is one of the weirdest arguments I've ever seen this forum make.

This team hasn't really had an intentional tank and rebuild. They've just been mediocre / bad while trying to be good. Similar to us the last season and a half.

I think he went that route in 2010/11 and 2011/12. Gave lots of young guys shots at playing time.

[Duffman100]

Again, the revisionist history that BC was 'tanking' and building the 'proper way' is one of the weirdest arguments I've ever seen this forum make.

This team hasn't really had an intentional tank and rebuild. They've just been mediocre / bad while trying to be good. Similar to us the last season and a half.

I think he went that route in 2010/11 and 2011/12. Gave lots of young guys shots at playing time.

Not really by choice though. Bosh left (thanks to his Marion/O'Neal swap) and he was forced to trade a disgruntled and **** ty Hedo for nothing. At that point he was just left with a garbage roster that he had assembled.

[Fairview4Life]

Again, the revisionist history that BC was 'tanking' and building the 'proper way' is one of the weirdest arguments I've ever seen this forum make.

This team hasn't really had an intentional tank and rebuild. They've just been mediocre / bad while trying to be good. Similar to us the last season and a half.

I think he went that route in 2010/11 and 2011/12. Gave lots of young guys shots at playing time.

Not really by choice though. Bosh left (thanks to his Marion/O'Neal swap) and he was forced to trade a disgruntled and **** ty Hedo for nothing. At that point he was just left with a garbage roster that he had assembled.

…I mean, that’s tanking though. They went through the motions but gave lots of time to guys like DD, Ed Davis, Amir, Dat Boy Bay, etc. to see what they had while not trading them and firsts for immediate help.

[Duffman100]

I think he went that route in 2010/11 and 2011/12. Gave lots of young guys shots at playing time.

Not really by choice though. Bosh left (thanks to his Marion/O'Neal swap) and he was forced to trade a disgruntled and **** ty Hedo for nothing. At that point he was just left with a garbage roster that he had assembled.

…I mean, that’s tanking though. They went through the motions but gave lots of time to guys like DD, Ed Davis, Amir, Dat Boy Bay, etc. to see what they had while not trading them and firsts for immediate help.

I don't think anyone during that time period was saying "wow we're actually fully tanking".

We can look back at it and say wow those teams sucked. But there wasn't a general consensus that we were tanking for high lottery talent. Especially ending with 5 and 8.

[billy_hoyle]

Not really by choice though. Bosh left (thanks to his Marion/O'Neal swap) and he was forced to trade a disgruntled and **** ty Hedo for nothing. At that point he was just left with a garbage roster that he had assembled.

…I mean, that’s tanking though. They went through the motions but gave lots of time to guys like DD, Ed Davis, Amir, Dat Boy Bay, etc. to see what they had while not trading them and firsts for immediate help.

I don't think anyone during that time period was saying "wow we're actually fully tanking".

We can look back at it and say wow those teams sucked. But there wasn't a general consensus that we were tanking for high lottery talent. Especially ending with 5 and 8.

Naw, we were essentially tanking those seasons. Similiar to what the Jazz are doing right now.

[Duffman100]

…I mean, that’s tanking though. They went through the motions but gave lots of time to guys like DD, Ed Davis, Amir, Dat Boy Bay, etc. to see what they had while not trading them and firsts for immediate help.

I don't think anyone during that time period was saying "wow we're actually fully tanking".

We can look back at it and say wow those teams sucked. But there wasn't a general consensus that we were tanking for high lottery talent. Especially ending with 5 and 8.

Naw, we were essentially tanking those seasons. Similiar to what the Jazz are doing right now.

Sure I don’t really care that much.

If true rebuilding ended up with us getting JV and Ross. And people were patient.

Like .. cmon.

[billy_hoyle]

I don't think anyone during that time period was saying "wow we're actually fully tanking".

We can look back at it and say wow those teams sucked. But there wasn't a general consensus that we were tanking for high lottery talent. Especially ending with 5 and 8.

Naw, we were essentially tanking those seasons. Similiar to what the Jazz are doing right now.

Sure I don’t really care that much.

If true rebuilding ended up with us getting JV and Ross. And people were patient.

Like .. cmon.

Ya. It wasn't the scorched earth type of tank people here want, more the organic **** that sometime occurs when you lose an all anb caliber player for basically nothing (although, I think we got back our pick in the Bosh S&T).

I'm not for the tank, but I'm also not anti-tank. Very situationally dependant. Based on our FA scenario, we might just need to tank.

[bluerap23]

Naw, we were essentially tanking those seasons. Similiar to what the Jazz are doing right now.

Sure I don’t really care that much.

If true rebuilding ended up with us getting JV and Ross. And people were patient.

Like .. cmon.

Ya. It wasn't the scorched earth type of tank people here want, more the organic **** that sometime occurs when you lose an all anb caliber player for basically nothing (although, I think we got back our pick in the Bosh S&T).

I'm not for the tank, but I'm also not anti-tank. Very situationally dependant. Based on our FA scenario, we might just need to tank.

I remember those years well. I was pro-tank. They had a great opportunity to tank for a couple years but they were still trying to win useless games at the end of the season. 2012 for example we could have had Dame if we had just tried to lose instead of trying to win. We won 3 of the last 7 games. The nets by contrast won 1 of their last 7 games and ended up with the pick that became Dame. We ended the year with 1 more win than the Nets. I was pissed.

[Los_29]

We haven’t rebuilt in a long time. Who cares if you’ve seen it on other teams, that’s irrelevant. The question is can you guys handle watching the ups and downs of prospects on our team? I’d say that’s unlikely judging by some people’s posts.

Rebuilds take patience.

It's 100% relevant. You act like people just started watching Raptors games 5 years ago. WTF.

Watching a team you don’t personally care about is the irrelevant part if the question is if you have the patience to watch a rebuild of a team you personally do care about. That what TF it means.

I can’t believe he didn’t get it.

[ItsDanger]

It's 100% relevant. You act like people just started watching Raptors games 5 years ago. WTF.

Watching a team you don’t personally care about is the irrelevant part if the question is if you have the patience to watch a rebuild of a team you personally do care about. That what TF it means.

I can’t believe he didn’t get it.

I can't believe your entire knowledge of sports is a very brief window on one team. Anyone else would acknowledge the reality of sports teams on a whole.

But not you.

[Fairview4Life]

Watching a team you don’t personally care about is the irrelevant part if the question is if you have the patience to watch a rebuild of a team you personally do care about. That what TF it means.

I can’t believe he didn’t get it.

I can't believe your entire knowledge of sports is a very brief window on one team. Anyone else would acknowledge the reality of sports teams on a whole.

But not you.

His point is about the emotional reaction to what is happening with one specific team vs a bunch of other teams, not that you can’t observe multiple teams. He is bringing that up because of the extreme reactions to a very brief window on one player for that specific team. The type of player we would presumably be seeing a lot more of if we were to actually rebuild. You can disagree with that, and think you are objective and rational at all times or whatever. But I don’t really get why you’re pretending to not understand what the point even is.

[Los_29]

Watching a team you don’t personally care about is the irrelevant part if the question is if you have the patience to watch a rebuild of a team you personally do care about. That what TF it means.

I can’t believe he didn’t get it.

I can't believe your entire knowledge of sports is a very brief window on one team. Anyone else would acknowledge the reality of sports teams on a whole.

But not you.

I’m honestly in complete shock that you STILL don’t get it. It’s really not that difficult.

[TheExpat]

He's not even top 5 on the 905.

Give me JFL!

[ATLTimekeeper]

Again, the revisionist history that BC was 'tanking' and building the 'proper way' is one of the weirdest arguments I've ever seen this forum make.

This team hasn't really had an intentional tank and rebuild. They've just been mediocre / bad while trying to be good. Similar to us the last season and a half.

Tanking to me is just making your team purposefully bad. Whether they can finish near bottom or not is up in the air, because there's always surprises in the regular season. Those teams were definitely 'tanking.'

In 2011/12, Charlotte won 7 games. One of the worst teams of all time. The difference between the 2nd worst team and Toronto was 3 wins. That's not a significant gap, and the coin toss pushed us even one drop further.

It's not that different from 2010/11 where Toronto had the 3rd worst-record after Bosh left. You can't reasonably argue they were trying to be good and just surprised that DeMar, Bargnani and Jarret Jack weren't enough to compete. The result of the lottery was that the Clippers "jumped" from 8th to 1st, and the Nets jumped from 6th to 3rd. This pushed Toronto from 3rd to 5th, and gave the Cavs and Jazz higher picks through previous trades.

[Los_29]

Again, the revisionist history that BC was 'tanking' and building the 'proper way' is one of the weirdest arguments I've ever seen this forum make.

This team hasn't really had an intentional tank and rebuild. They've just been mediocre / bad while trying to be good. Similar to us the last season and a half.

I think that cracks me up the most. Surely, they don’t actually believe that BC was tanking?