NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

[dygaction]

Giannis is a different story.

When all is said and done he will be right outside the top10 ever. If he adds another title, then he may crack the top10.
Glad that i witnessed it since its beginning.

I think Giannis would definitely need another ring to crack the top 10. Right now the only PF that is generally accepted in the top10 is Duncan and i don't seen Giannis closing that gap.

The question is what does Giannis need to do to become the 2nd greatest PF to every play the game of basketball and being considered above:
KG
Malone
Barkely
Dirk

The top 10 is pretty hard to crack. Nowhere near Duncan and you can’t put him ahead of the likes of Curry and Kobe. Even if he ends up as a top 15 player, that’s a hell of a job. Anyway, that discussion is for another time.

Another ring definitely makes him top 15, only behind Duncan.

[dygaction]

Giannis is a different story.

When all is said and done he will be right outside the top10 ever. If he adds another title, then he may crack the top10.
Glad that i witnessed it since its beginning.

I think Giannis would definitely need another ring to crack the top 10. Right now the only PF that is generally accepted in the top10 is Duncan and i don't seen Giannis closing that gap.

The question is what does Giannis need to do to become the 2nd greatest PF to every play the game of basketball and being considered above:
KG
Malone
Barkely
Dirk

https://hoopshype.com/lists/77-greatest-nba-players-ever-hoopshype-list/
As a Giannis homer, he needs 2 more rings to be in Top 10 conversations, let alone actually crack it. I think his floor is 17 passing Dirk and KG once he gets longevity stats. His realistic ceiling (assuming him and Dame don't 3-4 peat) is probably 13. Don't see him passing Steph, and KD/Hakeem would be tough to beat unless he gets 2 more rings.

With one more ring and reasonable, he would be comfortable better than KD and slightly edge Hakeem to fight for the top 10 gate keeper.

[HoopsterJones]

Can we demote Jayson Tatum into the other vote next go around?

[iggymcfrack]

Can we demote Jayson Tatum into the other vote next go around?

Tatum’s at least getting votes. I’d probably replace ANT with LeBron next go round.

[iggymcfrack]

I think Giannis would definitely need another ring to crack the top 10. Right now the only PF that is generally accepted in the top10 is Duncan and i don't seen Giannis closing that gap.

The question is what does Giannis need to do to become the 2nd greatest PF to every play the game of basketball and being considered above:
KG
Malone
Barkely
Dirk

https://hoopshype.com/lists/77-greatest-nba-players-ever-hoopshype-list/
As a Giannis homer, he needs 2 more rings to be in Top 10 conversations, let alone actually crack it. I think his floor is 17 passing Dirk and KG once he gets longevity stats. His realistic ceiling (assuming him and Dame don't 3-4 peat) is probably 13. Don't see him passing Steph, and KD/Hakeem would be tough to beat unless he gets 2 more rings.

With one more ring and reasonable, he would be comfortable better than KD and slightly edge Hakeem to fight for the top 10 gate keeper.

Hakeem should be a lot better than a top 10 gatekeeper. We voted him #6 in the current PC project and I actually have him #3 behind only Bron and Jordan. If you just look at what he did in the playoffs, it’s pretty incredible. No one in NBA history has taken supporting casts that weak to multiple titles.

[dygaction]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/77-greatest-nba-players-ever-hoopshype-list/
As a Giannis homer, he needs 2 more rings to be in Top 10 conversations, let alone actually crack it. I think his floor is 17 passing Dirk and KG once he gets longevity stats. His realistic ceiling (assuming him and Dame don't 3-4 peat) is probably 13. Don't see him passing Steph, and KD/Hakeem would be tough to beat unless he gets 2 more rings.

With one more ring and reasonable, he would be comfortable better than KD and slightly edge Hakeem to fight for the top 10 gate keeper.

Hakeem should be a lot better than a top 10 gatekeeper. We voted him #6 in the current PC project and I actually have him #3 behind only Bron and Jordan. If you just look at what he did in the playoffs, it’s pretty incredible. No one in NBA history has taken supporting casts that weak to multiple titles.

In vacuum Dream might be a better talent in starting a team than some other top 10 players, but I value accolades a lot more for ATG ranking.

[Wolfgang630]

It’s going to be hard for Giannis to pass Duncan for me. One of my favorite things about Duncan is his leadership and ability to lead an entire franchise. The Spurs had no problems when he was there. I think he’s one of the best or best leader in the nba ever.

[HoopsterJones]

Can we demote Jayson Tatum into the other vote next go around?

Tatum’s at least getting votes. I’d probably replace ANT with LeBron next go round.

You can put Siakam or Barnes in the poll and they will get votes.

But I agree that Ant should also be demoted and Lebron elevated.

[MrBigShot]

Can't believe we still have to listen to arguments that KD and David Robinson were/are better players than Giannis. And that's even giving KG a pass because I know how worshipped he is on this site (although I guess that's more of a PC board thing).

KD during his MVP season was absolutely a better player than Giannis.

[Hussien Fatal]

Joel with 39 and 10 with a minute left in the 3rd!!! He’s played all but 30 minutes! He’s the MVP NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!

[Packbuckman]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/77-greatest-nba-players-ever-hoopshype-list/
As a Giannis homer, he needs 2 more rings to be in Top 10 conversations, let alone actually crack it. I think his floor is 17 passing Dirk and KG once he gets longevity stats. His realistic ceiling (assuming him and Dame don't 3-4 peat) is probably 13. Don't see him passing Steph, and KD/Hakeem would be tough to beat unless he gets 2 more rings.

With one more ring and reasonable, he would be comfortable better than KD and slightly edge Hakeem to fight for the top 10 gate keeper.

Hakeem should be a lot better than a top 10 gatekeeper. We voted him #6 in the current PC project and I actually have him #3 behind only Bron and Jordan. If you just look at what he did in the playoffs, it’s pretty incredible. No one in NBA history has taken supporting casts that weak to multiple titles.

Hakeem was a great player but he was not as good as a young Kareem or Wilt. Kareem I have as my number 1 with Jordan 2nd. If Giannis keeps this pace up for the next 5 years with another title and mvp his resume would rival the players in the top 10 and 3 titles it will be people’s choice what order it is.

[Hussien Fatal]

And they said Embiid was ducking tough competition lol!!! Look what he’s doing to the 1st seed in the west! 39 and 10 by the end of the 3rd!

[eyeatoma]

Crickets in here....

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

My agenda took a big hit tonight

[Hussien Fatal]

Embiid with his 3rd straight 40 point game! Wheres all them people talking about him ducking good competition???

[_NoMas]

Embiid playing like the runaway MVP right now

[eyeatoma]

Embiid, 51 on the best defense in the league. Best player in the league this season (note I'm not saying in the playoffs). This is a ridiculous heater.

[GeorgeSears]

Nobody's playing better than Embiid this season. He's definitely on one right now.

[AleksandarN]

Nobody's playing better than Embiid this season. He's definitely on one right now.

I agree he is on a heater.

[Hussien Fatal]

Embiid is having the best regular season of the modern era! He’s on a whole different level than everybody else.