NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

One Last Shot · Post #801 » by **One Last Shot** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:58 am

Joel Embiid is now averaging 35.1 ppg in 65.2 TS%. If he's not sitting most of the 4th quarter because he gets the job done by the end of 3rd, he should be already on pace to beat Harden in 2019(36.1 ppg in 61.6 TS%) and Kobe in 2006(35.4 ppg in 55.9 TS%) to have the best points per game average in 37 years since Jordan in 1987(37.1 ppg in 56.2 TS%). Embiid silence his haters about him "ducking" top teams by scoring 51 points on the team with the best record in NBA and "defensive menace" Rudy Gobert. In their last 3 meetings, he averaged 40.7 ppg over Gobert so I'm not sure why they thought he's avoiding their match-up with Rudy. Still there's a lot of games left but Embiid comfortably leading the MVP race so far this season eventhough he's currently 4th in MVP poll here in GB.

DrModesty · Post #802 » by **DrModesty** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:01 am

Today Joel gets a bit of actual separation for me.

eyeatoma · Post #803 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:04 am

One Last Shot wrote:Joel Embiid is now averaging 35.1 ppg in 65.2 TS%. If he's not sitting most of the 4th quarter because he gets the job done by the end of 3rd, he should be already on pace to beat Harden in 2019(36.1 ppg in 61.6 TS%) and Kobe in 2006(35.4 ppg in 55.9 TS%) to have the best points per game average in 37 years since Jordan in 1987(37.1 ppg in 56.2 TS%). Embiid silence his haters about him "ducking" top teams by scoring 51 points on the team with the best record in NBA and "defensive menace" Rudy Gobert. In their last 3 meetings, he averaged 40.7 ppg over Gobert so I'm not sure why they thought he's avoiding their match-up with Rudy. Still there's a lot of games left but Embiid comfortably leading the MVP race so far this season eventhough he's currently 4th in MVP poll here in GB.

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LordCovington33 · Post #804 » by **LordCovington33** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:13 am

Cubbies2120 wrote:Chris Finch saying what everyone thinks. Never seen a big man treated like a 5'10" point guard. I imagine it's not difficult to grab 50+ points when Gobert is given his first foul 22 seconds into the game and his 2nd foul 3.5 minutes into the game.

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Want some salt with that whine?

You are right, it is very easy to score 50 points if the opposing player has two fouls early. All players are doing it. Another outstanding contribution regarding Embiid. It gets better and better.

Have a good day.

LordCovington33 · Post #805 » by **LordCovington33** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:16 am

Phila Tough wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:Chris Finch saying what everyone thinks. Never seen a big man treated like a 5'10" point guard. I imagine it's not difficult to grab 50+ points when Gobert is given his first foul 22 seconds into the game and his 2nd foul 3.5 minutes into the game.

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Giannis gets more FTA. How have you never seen a big man that gets calls when a big man today gets more? Chris Finch needs to tell his team to keep their hands to themselves and stop fouling so much. And you really think getting 50+ points isn't difficult? lol ok

Yep, he’s reaching, much like the defenders in the paint.

eyeatoma · Post #806 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:16 am

He's such a hateable player right...

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bebopdeluxe · Post #807 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:20 am

One Last Shot wrote:Joel Embiid is now averaging 35.1 ppg in 65.2 TS%. If he's not sitting most of the 4th quarter because he gets the job done by the end of 3rd, he should be already on pace to beat Harden in 2019(36.1 ppg in 61.6 TS%) and Kobe in 2006(35.4 ppg in 55.9 TS%) to have the best points per game average in 37 years since Jordan in 1987(37.1 ppg in 56.2 TS%). Embiid silence his haters about him "ducking" top teams by scoring 51 points on the team with the best record in NBA and "defensive menace" Rudy Gobert. In their last 3 meetings, he averaged 40.7 ppg over Gobert so I'm not sure why they thought he's avoiding their match-up with Rudy. Still there's a lot of games left but Embiid comfortably leading the MVP race so far this season eventhough he's currently 4th in MVP poll here in GB.

Embiid is FOURTH?

Wow. Hard to believe the GB has him that high.

AleksandarN · Post #808 » by **AleksandarN** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:27 am

Embiid is on a heater obviously front runner for mvp

Wolfgang630 · Post #809 » by **Wolfgang630** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:35 am

Time to watch highlights of the mvp

iggymcfrack · Post #810 » by **iggymcfrack** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:51 am

HoopsterJones wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:
HoopsterJones wrote:Can we demote Jayson Tatum into the other vote next go around?

Tatum’s at least getting votes. I’d probably replace ANT with LeBron next go round.

You can put Siakam or Barnes in the poll and they will get votes.

But I agree that Ant should also be demoted and Lebron elevated.

ANT and Durant both have zero votes right now. Tatum has 6.

Gatorade Sax · Post #811 » by **Gatorade Sax** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:56 am

Said it a few days ago, and I’ll say it again. If you haven’t got Embiid leading right now, you are playing some amazing mental gymnastics.

iggymcfrack · Post #812 » by **iggymcfrack** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:56 am

eyeatoma wrote:
One Last Shot wrote:Joel Embiid is now averaging 35.1 ppg in 65.2 TS%. If he's not sitting most of the 4th quarter because he gets the job done by the end of 3rd, he should be already on pace to beat Harden in 2019(36.1 ppg in 61.6 TS%) and Kobe in 2006(35.4 ppg in 55.9 TS%) to have the best points per game average in 37 years since Jordan in 1987(37.1 ppg in 56.2 TS%). Embiid silence his haters about him "ducking" top teams by scoring 51 points on the team with the best record in NBA and "defensive menace" Rudy Gobert. In their last 3 meetings, he averaged 40.7 ppg over Gobert so I'm not sure why they thought he's avoiding their match-up with Rudy. Still there's a lot of games left but Embiid comfortably leading the MVP race so far this season eventhough he's currently 4th in MVP poll here in GB.
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I had him behind SGA and Jokic because he’d been sitting a bunch of their biggest games and had run up his stats against the bottom dwellers of the league…

51 points against Minnesota is a statement though. I’ll agree he deserves to be #1 for the time being. He’ll have to keep it up as the schedule stays tougher to maintain the spot, but for the time being he’s earned pole position.

iggymcfrack · Post #813 » by **iggymcfrack** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:02 am

Gatorade Sax wrote:Said it a few days ago, and I’ll say it again. If you haven’t got Embiid leading right now, you are playing some amazing mental gymnastics.

What if I had Jokic MVP until tonight for his superior BPM and SOS but I just changed my vote to Embiid after tonight?

CobraCommander · Post #814 » by **CobraCommander** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:22 am

I hate Embiid but there are polls on REALGM where people are arguing is Luka better or is that guy better....Embiid just had 51 points on 25 shots...while blowing out and beating beating down one of the best teams in the league with big men skilled enough and big enough to match him.

At some point you just acknowledge a man is playing great ball and tip your cap to him.

Embiid can’t defeat the playoff demons in the regular season...but right now he is making a strong argument for back to back MVPs...even if he didn’t deserve last years lol...yeah I still hate Embiid but he is going off

AussieCeltic · Post #815 » by **AussieCeltic** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:24 am

It pains me to say, but Embiid is the fav right now.

Primedeion · Post #816 » by **Primedeion** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:26 am

Embiid only fourth in the poll lol. I know this place is Jokic stan central, but that is ridiculous.

HoopsterJones · Post #817 » by **HoopsterJones** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:32 am

iggymcfrack wrote:
HoopsterJones wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:
Tatum’s at least getting votes. I’d probably replace ANT with LeBron next go round.

You can put Siakam or Barnes in the poll and they will get votes.

But I agree that Ant should also be demoted and Lebron elevated.

ANT and Durant both have zero votes right now. Tatum has 6.

Yeah I don’t put stock in Tatum’s 6 votes. You’ll have certain fanbases vote for their guy regardless. Tatum isn’t in my top 10 for MVP any more.

Cubbies2120 · Post #818 » by **Cubbies2120** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:26 am

Embiid playing amazing ball, but that stretch from Dec 6 to Dec 18 helped a TON with that. Luckily MVP isn't decided in the first 1/3 of a season though...

Wizards
Hawks
Wizards
Pistons
Pistons
Hornets

I mean even Sixers fans gotta admit that's a SOFT schedule there...I mean the Sixers faced a stretch of 5 in 6 games where the opponent had a combined win total of 12 :lol:

One Last Shot · Post #819 » by **One Last Shot** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:51 am

Cubbies2120 wrote:Embiid playing amazing ball, but that stretch from Dec 6 to Dec 18 helped a TON with that. Luckily MVP isn't decided in the first 1/3 of a season though...

Wizards
Hawks
Wizards
Pistons
Pistons
Hornets

I mean even Sixers fans gotta admit that's a SOFT schedule there...I mean the Sixers faced a stretch of 5 in 6 games where the opponent had a combined win total of 12

It also helps that his biggest competitor Jokic and his Nuggets keep winning at 100% rate when he miss a game or got ejected earlier in the game(3-0) while Embiid's Sixers have 0% win rate when Joel was sick and miss some games a few weeks ago.(0-3) but like you said, MVP isn't decided in the first 1/3 of the season so we'll see if Embiid can maintain his lead in the next few months.

LordCovington33 · Post #820 » by **LordCovington33** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:16 am

Cubbies2120 wrote:Embiid playing amazing ball, but that stretch from Dec 6 to Dec 18 helped a TON with that. Luckily MVP isn't decided in the first 1/3 of a season though...

Wizards
Hawks
Wizards
Pistons
Pistons
Hornets

I mean even Sixers fans gotta admit that's a SOFT schedule there...I mean the Sixers faced a stretch of 5 in 6 games where the opponent had a combined win total of 12

And his highest score (51) was against the number one team in the west. You are really reaching atm.

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