NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

Wolfgang630 · Post #1321 » by **Wolfgang630** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:35 am

SGA is right there as Embiid falls. Team is winning games now without him too.

Hobo4President · Post #1322 » by **Hobo4President** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:35 am

If Embiid continues to miss games Shai should be the frontrunner IMO.

WhatTheBuck · Post #1323 » by **WhatTheBuck** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:38 am

Jamaaliver wrote:

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Giannis isn't a closer - he's just the best player on the planet.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #1324 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:43 am

mediocrityrules wrote:Will Embiid get to 65 games?

So he's missed/will miss 7 of the first 32 games. Can only miss 9 of last 50 to be eligible. That's a two week injury away from him being out.

bigboi · Post #1325 » by **bigboi** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:43 am

Hobo4President wrote:If Embiid continues to miss games Shai should be the frontrunner IMO.

Over Giannis?! Lol. The Giannis bias is hilarious in this thread.

Shai is nice tho

bigboi · Post #1326 » by **bigboi** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:49 am

OKC Really redeemed themselves with that SGA trade. Idk if Shai ever becomes this player playing with Kawhi but dude is clearly better than PG ever was based on this season.

Cubbies2120 · Post #1327 » by **Cubbies2120** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:49 am

bigboi wrote:
Hobo4President wrote:If Embiid continues to miss games Shai should be the frontrunner IMO.

Over Giannis?! Lol. The Giannis bias is hilarious in this thread.

Shai is nice tho

SGA is taking his team from a #10 seed to #2 seed (and rising). While putting up an incredible line as well.

Giannis team is going from #1 to #2 as well...

bigboi · Post #1328 » by **bigboi** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:55 am

Cubbies2120 wrote:
bigboi wrote:
Hobo4President wrote:If Embiid continues to miss games Shai should be the frontrunner IMO.

Over Giannis?! Lol. The Giannis bias is hilarious in this thread.

Shai is nice tho

SGA is taking his team from a #10 seed to #2 seed (and rising). While putting up an incredible line as well.

Giannis team is going from #1 to #2 as well...

Giannis is playing like the best player in the world…. The dude is MVP. Sounds like y’all want him averaging 40 for him to win. That said, I wouldn’t mind Shai winning. Don’t think many predicted this early or preseason

Hobo4President · Post #1329 » by **Hobo4President** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:00 am

bigboi wrote:
Hobo4President wrote:If Embiid continues to miss games Shai should be the frontrunner IMO.

Over Giannis?! Lol. The Giannis bias is hilarious in this thread.

Shai is nice tho

Yes.

iggymcfrack · Post #1330 » by **iggymcfrack** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:08 am

bigboi wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
bigboi wrote:
Over Giannis?! Lol. The Giannis bias is hilarious in this thread.

Shai is nice tho

SGA is taking his team from a #10 seed to #2 seed (and rising). While putting up an incredible line as well.

Giannis team is going from #1 to #2 as well...

Giannis is playing like the best player in the world…. The dude is MVP. Sounds like y’all want him averaging 40 for him to win. That said, I wouldn’t mind Shai winning. Don’t think many predicted this early or preseason

Giannis has absolutely no argument other than name value. It’s not even close.

Giannis: 29.2 PER, .231 WS/48, 7.4 BPM, +7.5 EPM, +8.0 NetRtg, +5.5 on/off

SGA: 31.3 PER, .300 WS/48, 10.8 BPM, +10.4 EPM, +13.4 NetRtg, +18.3 on/off

Those box stats haven’t even adjusted for SGA’s great game tonight either. Honestly, there’s probably at least 10 guys that you could make a case for over Giannis that would have much better statistical backing than any case you’d make for Giannis over SGA.

LeBron > Giannis, Haliburton > Giannis, Edwards > Giannis, Kawhi > Giannis, any of those you can at least argue. There’s no argument for Giannis > SGA based on this season. None. It’s like trying to argue Tatum over SGA or something. You’re just living in the past.

Wolfgang630 · Post #1331 » by **Wolfgang630** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:18 am

Giannis isn’t ahead of SGA

ChartFiction · Post #1332 » by **ChartFiction** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:18 am

SGA is still slept on by the general public which would include at least some of the media members voting.

He might need OKC at 1st seed in the WC to get some attention behind him.

bigboi · Post #1333 » by **bigboi** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:23 am

iggymcfrack wrote:
bigboi wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
SGA is taking his team from a #10 seed to #2 seed (and rising). While putting up an incredible line as well.

Giannis team is going from #1 to #2 as well...

Giannis is playing like the best player in the world…. The dude is MVP. Sounds like y’all want him averaging 40 for him to win. That said, I wouldn’t mind Shai winning. Don’t think many predicted this early or preseason

Giannis has absolutely no argument other than name value. It’s not even close.

Giannis: 29.2 PER, .231 WS/48, 7.4 BPM, +7.5 EPM, +8.0 NetRtg, +5.5 on/off

SGA: 31.3 PER, .300 WS/48, 10.8 BPM, +10.4 EPM, +13.4 NetRtg, +18.3 on/off

Those box stats haven’t even adjusted for SGA’s great game tonight either. Honestly, there’s probably at least 10 guys that you could make a case for over Giannis that would have much better statistical backing than any case you’d make for Giannis over SGA.

LeBron > Giannis, Haliburton > Giannis, Edwards > Giannis, Kawhi > Giannis, any of those you can at least argue. There’s no argument for Giannis > SGA based on this season. None. It’s like trying to argue Tatum over SGA or something. You’re just living in the past.

I’m not listening to a thing you’re saying for the rest of this thread. And no, SGA is in no world better than Giannis.

Bucks have the best record of all these teams playing, are on a win streak. Giannis has the worst supporting cast out of Jokic, SGA, and Embiid. Now the fact that you mentioned Anthony Edwards and Kawhi being better than Giannis especially this season after using stats to state your case about SGA shows me that I Don’t need to take what you say seriously.

If you said the bolded to any GM in the league, you’d get laughed out the room. But yea, don’t ever quote me again. Don’t have time reading silliness

QPR · Post #1334 » by **QPR** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:26 am

How does he have the worst supporting cast? The Bucks have a seasoned roster and added Lillard. From a narrative point of view, he's going to need at least 5-8 more wins than SGA, fairly or unfairly.

No voter is going to consider Giannis as having a poor supporting cast.

bigboi · Post #1335 » by **bigboi** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:30 am

QPR wrote:How does he have the worst supporting cast? The Bucks have a seasoned roster and added Lillard. From a narrative point of view, he's going to need at least 5-8 more wins than SGA, fairly or unfairly.

Have you not watched the Bucks this season? Lmao. Middleton isn’t the player that he once was. Lopez is the third option on the team and his “DPOY” level defense y’all liked to hype is nonexistent. Malik Beasley is having a super outlier 3 point year otherwise dude isn’t even a starter level player.

Team is pretty Giannis/Dame and the others. OKC has Chet, Dort, and a wel rounded team. Nuggets have Murray, Gordon, MPJ and Jackson, only real issue is health. 6ers, don’t even need to discuss. It really isn’t close, Giannis has the worst supporting cast

AleksandarN · Post #1336 » by **AleksandarN** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:31 am

bigboi wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:
bigboi wrote:
Giannis is playing like the best player in the world…. The dude is MVP. Sounds like y’all want him averaging 40 for him to win. That said, I wouldn’t mind Shai winning. Don’t think many predicted this early or preseason

Giannis has absolutely no argument other than name value. It’s not even close.

Giannis: 29.2 PER, .231 WS/48, 7.4 BPM, +7.5 EPM, +8.0 NetRtg, +5.5 on/off

SGA: 31.3 PER, .300 WS/48, 10.8 BPM, +10.4 EPM, +13.4 NetRtg, +18.3 on/off

Those box stats haven’t even adjusted for SGA’s great game tonight either. Honestly, there’s probably at least 10 guys that you could make a case for over Giannis that would have much better statistical backing than any case you’d make for Giannis over SGA.

LeBron > Giannis, Haliburton > Giannis, Edwards > Giannis, Kawhi > Giannis, any of those you can at least argue. There’s no argument for Giannis > SGA based on this season. None. It’s like trying to argue Tatum over SGA or something. You’re just living in the past.

I’m not listening to a thing you’re saying for the rest of this thread. And no, SGA is in no world better than Giannis.

Bucks have the best record of all these teams playing, are on a win streak. Giannis has the worst supporting cast out of Jokic, SGA, and Embiid. Now the fact that you mentioned Anthony Edwards and Kawhi being better than Giannis especially this season after using stats to state your case about SGA shows me that I Don’t need to take what you say seriously.

If you said the bolded to any GM in the league, you’d get laughed out the room. But yea, don’t ever quote me again. Don’t have time reading silliness

So you ignore basic stats where in the past posts use the very stats you dismiss now. Man you are digging yourself a bigger hole. At least argue in good faith. But you are not here to listen or discuss. So why post? Is it to hear yourself talk?

mediocrityrules · Post #1337 » by **mediocrityrules** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:35 am

I'm a Bucks homer as much as anyone, but it wouldn't be the worst thing for SGA to be MVP this year. Honestly, it would be good to have someone different than 'the big 3' (with a sprinkling of Luka and Tatum) always being talked about. These threads have been far too monotonous for far too long.

Let's put SGA at the top of everyone's lists, and then see if anyone can look for valid reasons (beyond 'narrative') why he shouldn't be considered the front-runner. I'm happy to campaign for him if he can keep this up.

AleksandarN · Post #1338 » by **AleksandarN** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:36 am

mediocrityrules wrote:I'm a Bucks homer as much as anyone, but it wouldn't be the worst thing for SGA to be MVP this year. Honestly, it would be good to have someone different than 'the big 3' (with a sprinkling of Luka and Tatum) always being talked about. These threads have been far too monotonous for far too long.

Let's put SGA at the top of everyone's lists, and then see if anyone can look for valid reasons (beyond 'narrative') why he shouldn't be considered the front-runner. I'm happy to campaign for him if he can keep this up.

SGA is definitely top 3 right now with Luka and Embiid

mediocrityrules · Post #1339 » by **mediocrityrules** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:54 am

AleksandarN wrote:
mediocrityrules wrote:I'm a Bucks homer as much as anyone, but it wouldn't be the worst thing for SGA to be MVP this year. Honestly, it would be good to have someone different than 'the big 3' (with a sprinkling of Luka and Tatum) always being talked about. These threads have been far too monotonous for far too long.

Let's put SGA at the top of everyone's lists, and then see if anyone can look for valid reasons (beyond 'narrative') why he shouldn't be considered the front-runner. I'm happy to campaign for him if he can keep this up.

SGA is definitely top 3 right now with Luka and Embiid

I don't think Luka's there right now. You can argue for a top 5 that has Embiid, Jokic, SGA, Luka and Giannis, but i think that Embiid, Jokic, and SGA are currently sitting half a tier above Luka and Giannis.

iggymcfrack · Post #1340 » by **iggymcfrack** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:57 am

bigboi wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:
bigboi wrote:
Giannis is playing like the best player in the world…. The dude is MVP. Sounds like y’all want him averaging 40 for him to win. That said, I wouldn’t mind Shai winning. Don’t think many predicted this early or preseason

Giannis has absolutely no argument other than name value. It’s not even close.

Giannis: 29.2 PER, .231 WS/48, 7.4 BPM, +7.5 EPM, +8.0 NetRtg, +5.5 on/off

SGA: 31.3 PER, .300 WS/48, 10.8 BPM, +10.4 EPM, +13.4 NetRtg, +18.3 on/off

Those box stats haven’t even adjusted for SGA’s great game tonight either. Honestly, there’s probably at least 10 guys that you could make a case for over Giannis that would have much better statistical backing than any case you’d make for Giannis over SGA.

LeBron > Giannis, Haliburton > Giannis, Edwards > Giannis, Kawhi > Giannis, any of those you can at least argue. There’s no argument for Giannis > SGA based on this season. None. It’s like trying to argue Tatum over SGA or something. You’re just living in the past.

I’m not listening to a thing you’re saying for the rest of this thread. And no, SGA is in no world better than Giannis.

Bucks have the best record of all these teams playing, are on a win streak. Giannis has the worst supporting cast out of Jokic, SGA, and Embiid. Now the fact that you mentioned Anthony Edwards and Kawhi being better than Giannis especially this season after using stats to state your case about SGA shows me that I Don’t need to take what you say seriously.

If you said the bolded to any GM in the league, you’d get laughed out the room. But yea, don’t ever quote me again. Don’t have time reading silliness

I'm not saying those guys are better. I'm saying you could at least argue it. Haliburton has a higher BPM than Giannis. LeBron, Edwards, and Kawhi all have much better on/off numbers. Giannis has NOTHING on SGA. Nothing. Every single way you can possibly imagine measuring it, SGA's better.

But yeah, trying to say that Lillard, Lopez, and Middleton are the worst supporting cast of any of the MVP candidates when the Bucks are +2.5 this season with Giannis off the floor this season just shows you're not arguing in good faith at all. It would be like me trying to say that SGA's edge over the other guys is that he's the tallest. You're just talking nonsense.

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