Fantasy Trade Thread

[M2J]

I still don't see us trading Tobias Harris. Not that I am opposed to it. I just think he's a big part of our team chemistry like it or not.

Hope they don't. But a few trades may require it, like the hopeful Lavine/Caruso deal.

[the_process]

I still don't see us trading Tobias Harris. Not that I am opposed to it. I just think he's a big part of our team chemistry like it or not.

That is the same team chemistry that cannot get out of the 2nd round, I believe?

Time to change the formula.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I still don't see us trading Tobias Harris. Not that I am opposed to it. I just think he's a big part of our team chemistry like it or not.

That is the same team chemistry that cannot get out of the 2nd round, I believe?

Time to change the formula.

I don't that falls on Tobias Harris. There have been varying reasons why we've come up short in the second round. Embiid being injured is probably the bigger reason why we haven't advanced.

[mjkvol]

I still don't see us trading Tobias Harris. Not that I am opposed to it. I just think he's a big part of our team chemistry like it or not.

Falling in love with regular season production is what has gotten us in trouble over and over again, as you watch games like last night and believe that Tobias is a linchpin, and then get slapped in the face by cold reality come playoff time. Chemistry is an important thing, but nothing builds chemistry like winning playoff series' and seriously competing for championships, and Tobias is never going to be a player who will help get the Sixers to the next level.

Whether that player exists and can be acquired is open to debate, but keeping a guy as a major part the team core who is a proven bust in the biggest spots only guarantees that the playoff failure continues. It is imperative that Morey make a move before the deadline if at all feasible, but not the Lavine-type hail mary that will make the team worse. I'd rather waste the season and wait than throw away the next 2-3 seasons in a "we had to do something" kind of reckless move.

[PhillyFan11]

Sixers out- Tobi, RoCo, KJ Martin, ‘26 OKC 1st
Sixers in- DeRozan, Dortz, and Jaylin Williams

Thunder out- Dortz, Jaylin Williams, Bertans, ‘24 & ‘25 2nd
Thunder in- Tobi and KJ Martin

Bulls out- DeRozan
Bulls in- RoCo, Bertans, ‘26 OKC 1st, ‘24 & ‘25 2nd

Maxey/Pat Bev
Melton/Dortz/Springer
DeRozan/Oubre/House
Batum/Williams/Morris
Jo/Reed/Bamba

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I still don't see us trading Tobias Harris. Not that I am opposed to it. I just think he's a big part of our team chemistry like it or not.

Falling in love with regular season production is what has gotten us in trouble over and over again, as you watch games like last night and believe that Tobias is a linchpin, and then get slapped in the face by cold reality come playoff time. Chemistry is an important thing, but nothing builds chemistry like winning playoff series' and seriously competing for championships, and Tobias is never going to be a player who will help get the Sixers to the next level.

Whether that player exists and can be acquired is open to debate, but keeping a guy as a major part the team core who is a proven bust in the biggest spots only guarantees that the playoff failure continues. It is imperative that Morey make a move before the deadline if at all feasible, but not the Lavine-type hail mary that will make the team worse. I'd rather waste the season and wait than throw away the next 2-3 seasons in a "we had to do something" kind of reckless move.

I agree. Tobias has shrank in the postseason each year. In fact he shrinks in tight games during the regular season. I am fully on board with us parting ways at the end of the season. He's not part of our future at this point.

There are some on here who have the idea that moving Harris alone is addition by subtraction. I don't agree with that at all. The only type of players that fit that description are empty stat chuckers like Zach Lavine who some on here are pushing to trade Tobias for. The majority of the Harris trade proposals I've seen are awful. Process Doctor has had a few good ones, but I've seen some bad ones thrown out there. Mainly the ones for Zack Fkin Lavine.

What I'm trying to say is that there are scenarios where I'd rather just keep him and let him finish the year out and then be free of his albatross of a contract. He's not exactly hurting us basketball wise right now and if we can't get the right player for him in return then I say we stand pat.

Let me be clear that I'm all for moving him today IF....IF it's for a better player that makes us a better team. I do feel like that is easier said then done though. The trade market is rather dim right now. Does Pascal Siakam make us better? That's debatable. Is Anunoby an upgrade? Absolutely, but either way Toronto is going to want a soul for either one of those guys. It's going to be hard to move Harris for an upgrade, but if we're going to do it in season, then we should probably get going with it.

I don't necessarily see it this way, but I think the front office does. I think they'll ride the "good vibes" train and probably be reduced to making a small move at the deadline. We cut out the cancer known as James Harden already. I think that was our move for this year. During the summer, we let Tobias, Cov, Batum, and Morris all walk and then throw money at the players we actually want. That's my prediction with this. Again, not necessarily what I want, but that's how I see it going down.

Now if we call Brooklyn and Sean Marks bumps his head answering the phone and agree to trading us Bridges or even Cam Johnson for Harris then yeah, you do it immediately.

Jabari Smith? Evan Mobley, Brandon Ingram, Benedict Mathurin/Jalen Smith, I could name about 30 players/combos who I'd trade Harris for today.

[the_process]

I still don't see us trading Tobias Harris. Not that I am opposed to it. I just think he's a big part of our team chemistry like it or not.

That is the same team chemistry that cannot get out of the 2nd round, I believe?

Time to change the formula.

I don't that falls on Tobias Harris. There have been varying reasons why we've come up short in the second round. Embiid being injured is probably the bigger reason why we haven't advanced.

It doesn't all fall on Tobias, obviously. But a decent percentage does. They shook it up before when Ben demanded out, but two more 2nd round exits after that trade speak to the fact there are deeper problems at play. We agree the single biggest problem has been Jo. The next biggest share of the blame is shrinking violet Tobias.

So is the solution to move Jo? Or is it to eliminate all the bad actors around Jo?

[youngcrev]

Tobias has been a mid-teens/low 20s scoring on reasonable efficiency for us in the playoffs. That's fine for a 3rd/4th option. He hasn't been great, but I wouldn't say he's ever been what's sunk us in the playoffs.

Ideally you'd be getting a heck of a lot more out of that salary slot, but that's another story.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Ok, I think some of you are misinterpreting me for being this big time Tobias truther. I personally don't want him here past this season. I do want to ask a legitimate question to those who would willingly trade him in season as in today, tomorrow, the deadline.

Who would you trade him for right now? Keep in mind we need realistic options. You can cross Anthony Edwards off the list.

#1 - what/who would you trade him for right now that is a realistic option that would come in and make this team better right away? Give me the names of these players.

#2 - Why would the team we are dealing with agree to the trade? Cap space? His veteran presence? His ability to score? His three point shooting?

#3 - Let's assume we trade him for....OG Anunoby (a move I'd be in favor of). Who replaces him at the PF position?

Unless it's for an immediate upgrade, I don't see any reason to trade him in the middle of the season.

Now, has he been worth his contract? No

Has he ghosted at crucial moments time and time again? Yes

Should he be re-signed in the summer? No

Is there a better option right now at this very moment that is available via trade that we could trade him for that would instantly improve our team? I'll wait for your answers.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

That is the same team chemistry that cannot get out of the 2nd round, I believe?

Time to change the formula.

I don't that falls on Tobias Harris. There have been varying reasons why we've come up short in the second round. Embiid being injured is probably the bigger reason why we haven't advanced.

It doesn't all fall on Tobias, obviously. But a decent percentage does. They shook it up before when Ben demanded out, but two more 2nd round exits after that trade speak to the fact there are deeper problems at play. We agree the single biggest problem has been Jo. The next biggest share of the blame is shrinking violet Tobias.

So is the solution to move Jo? Or is it to eliminate all the bad actors around Jo?

Obviously we aren't and don't need to trade Embiid. Nobody is saying that. We're in agreement here. Tobias needs to move on. But what move, right now is out there that'll make us better while also moving him? There really isn't anything realistic or reasonable. Again, for the 10,885th time... I'm all in favor of him walking at the end of the year. I'm also totally in favor of moving him for an upgrade. Unfortunately I don't see who the realistic upgrade is.

[mjkvol]

#2 - Why would the team we are dealing with agree to the trade? Cap space? His veteran presence? His ability to score? His three point shooting?

Despite the fact that there are media fools (like Alaa) who have consistently overrated Tobias' presence on this team and his overall value and skill set, the plain truth is that no competent GM is trading for Tobias as anything more than an expiring contract and potentially to resurrect his true calling as that of a tank commander. And that limits the potential landing spots greatly.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

#2 - Why would the team we are dealing with agree to the trade? Cap space? His veteran presence? His ability to score? His three point shooting?

Despite the fact that there are media fools (like Alaa) who have consistently overrated Tobias' presence on this team and his overall value and skill set, the plain truth is that no competent GM is trading for Tobias as anything more than an expiring contract and potentially to resurrect his true calling as that of a tank commander. And that limits the potential landing spots greatly.

It definitely does. We could dump Tobias and end up with has-beens on this team and end up as the 7th seed this year in the playoffs. Either way we're not getting out of the second round, but trading Harris NOW will only make this team worse. That's all I'm saying. Davis Bertans is not an upgrade over Tobias Harris. I don't care how deeply hated Tobias is on this forum. There's no rational argument out there that is going to suggest or convince anyone, that even slightly knows the game of basketball that we are better off in the short term just getting rid of him.

I will explode with rage if we deal him and a first round pick to the Bulls for Zach Lavine.

We will flounder into the play-in tournament if we move him for Davis Bertans and an expiring contract.

Trading him for a 35 year old Bogdonavich who is currently the 2nd best player on the 2-29 Pistons would only make sense if Jaden Ivey OR Ausur Thompson are attached to the deal, otherwise it's an incredibly HORRIBLE idea.

The Canadians are going to demand Tobias Harris and every first round pick we have until the second coming of Jesus if we want Pascal Siakam, who happens to be an even worse fit with crappier outside shooting.

We could trade him to the Spurs??? Doug McDermott and Keldon Johnson? I mean there are a few sensible ideas out there, but convincing those teams GMs is an entirely different and almost insurmountable task.

Not even the savants over on the General/Trade forums have any rational proposals. JRoy constantly shoots down each and every proposal with Portland as if he himself is the GM of the franchise. It's rather irritating if you ask me. I actually think Portland would be a decent partner to trade with, but doing so would leave us stuck with Grants contract along with an injury riddled and prone Malcolm Brogdan. Any cap space we have would completely disintegrate. Do we really want our hopes of a title tied to Brogdan and Grant? We may not have a choice, but GM JRoy is going to demand 65 First round draft picks.

Oh and yeah....Alaa's Bernard King comparison had me choking on my chicken soft taco when I heard it.

[mjkvol]

I will explode with rage if we deal for Zach Lavine.

Fixed to express my sentiment.

[mjkvol]

Oh and yeah....Alaa's Bernard King comparison had me choking on my chicken soft taco when I heard it.

Haha, I fortunately missed that one. A staggering comment for anyone who actually saw Bernard King play. Pre-injury, he was as good and unstoppable of an offensive player as I've seen in 50+ years watching the sport.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

It does look like Toronto will move Siakam, but I do see us being players in that. It'll be Indiana. They have the ammo and type of players to do it.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Oh and yeah....Alaa's Bernard King comparison had me choking on my chicken soft taco when I heard it.

Haha, I fortunately missed that one. A staggering comment for anyone who actually saw Bernard King play. Pre-injury, he was as good and unstoppable of an offensive player as I've seen in 50+ years watching the sport.

I watched King play at the end of his career in Washington and even as a shell of his former self he was putting up 28 a game. It was last season when Alaa made the comparison, but it'll never be forgotten.

[youngcrev]

#2 - Why would the team we are dealing with agree to the trade? Cap space? His veteran presence? His ability to score? His three point shooting?

Despite the fact that there are media fools (like Alaa) who have consistently overrated Tobias' presence on this team and his overall value and skill set, the plain truth is that no competent GM is trading for Tobias as anything more than an expiring contract and potentially to resurrect his true calling as that of a tank commander. And that limits the potential landing spots greatly.

My only rebuttal would be that there are incompetent GMs out there

Well, that and that I think there's a lot more undervaluing of his skillset from our fanbase because the scrutiny gets magnified when you sign that type of contract. He's a quality starting player, and a decent 3rd/4th offensive option. The Ringer NBA ranking put him #65 overall, which feels about right. Of course, when you're the 19th highest paid guy in the league this season, being a top 75 guy isn't that big of a badge of honor.

But yeah, for the most part, he'd be little more than expiring filler in a deal, in which case, we've got other expiring filler that could be used instead that bring less to the table for us.

So unless someone dumb like Detroit is placing value on him that can be flipped in a 3 way, I feel like odds are that he'll remain on the team. Although there does seem to be some smoke there.

[mjkvol]

Oh and yeah....Alaa's Bernard King comparison had me choking on my chicken soft taco when I heard it.

Haha, I fortunately missed that one. A staggering comment for anyone who actually saw Bernard King play. Pre-injury, he was as good and unstoppable of an offensive player as I've seen in 50+ years watching the sport.

I watched King play at the end of his career in Washington and even as a shell of his former self he was putting up 28 a game. It was last season when Alaa made the comparison, but it'll never be forgotten.

Bernard was a great player until the end, but before the injury he was unreal. His '84-'85 season might be the best I've ever seen by a player, and he was robbed of the MVP by a media that was hell bent on Bird winning his first one. The Knicks were a lottery level team, and he carried them to a 7th game against the Celtics in the conference semis after beating the Pistons in an amazing 5-game series. I was living in northern NJ at the time, and saw the majority of Knick games that season, it was like must-see TV every night.

[mjkvol]

#2 - Why would the team we are dealing with agree to the trade? Cap space? His veteran presence? His ability to score? His three point shooting?

Despite the fact that there are media fools (like Alaa) who have consistently overrated Tobias' presence on this team and his overall value and skill set, the plain truth is that no competent GM is trading for Tobias as anything more than an expiring contract and potentially to resurrect his true calling as that of a tank commander. And that limits the potential landing spots greatly.

My only rebuttal would be that there are incompetent GMs out there

Well, that and that I think there's a lot more undervaluing of his skillset from our fanbase because the scrutiny gets magnified when you sign that type of contract. He's a quality starting player, and a decent 3rd/4th offensive option. The Ringer NBA ranking put him #65 overall, which feels about right. Of course, when you're the 19th highest paid guy in the league this season, being a top 75 guy isn't that big of a badge of honor.

But yeah, for the most part, he'd be little more than expiring filler in a deal, in which case, we've got other expiring filler that could be used instead that bring less to the table for us.

So unless someone dumb like Detroit is placing value on him that can be flipped in a 3 way, I feel like odds are that he'll remain on the team. Although there does seem to be some smoke there.

Agreed that there are incompetent GM's around, but not as many as there used to be.

Tobias' contract was always just part of the issue with him for me. His game, the ball-stopping dribbling he needs on iso's, the lack of rebounding, the inability to finish, and his disappearing act in big spots were way more the problem, even at half the price. I respect his subjugating his tendencies to fit the scheme and his 'good soldier' attitude, but he is just not a player who can be a major minutes guy on a title contender IMO. Just my opinion.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I'm happy for the Knicks going in on OG like that. I don't dislike them unless we are playing them. Honestly they're probably a top five team of mine personally. I'd root for them if we were bad or not in contention. I think the trade was definitely fair for both sides. There are those that will disagree and say otherwise, but that's what this is all about. There was no way they were going to extend IQ with what he wanted and RJ Barrett going back to Canada could be just what the Doc ordered for him. New York gets a mainstay and a big time wing defender in OG and they get much needed center help with Precious Achiuwa. Good for them. Replacing IQ's production off the bench wont be easy, but maybe collectively with Josh Hart, McBride, and possibly Fournier they can do it. Good move for the Knicks...I don't think they are done yet either. I could see them going after another guard at the deadline.