NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

[Cubbies2120]

I’m not listening to a thing you’re saying for the rest of this thread. And no, SGA is in no world better than Giannis.

Lmao, disregards literal evidence and says "Waaahh this doesn't fit my view I'm gonna disregard it completely!"

Never change, at least we know who we're dealing with here now.

Wrong. Read the post again. He says Gianni’s has 0 argument over Shai and uses stats to justify the argument yet at the same time posts players like Anthony Edwards when the stats gap is large in very way between him and Giannis. The argument doesn’t make any sense. Again, this thread isn’t objective and it’s silly. No, Shai isn’t better than Giannis although a great player. That I can stomach. Calling Edwards better than Giannis especially this season is absolute nonsense

You can separate out his arguments, you know that right?

Just because you disagree with his Edwards argument (I do too), doesn't mean it automatically disqualifies his SGA > Giannis in REGULAR SEASON discussion.

If you asked me, based on the 30 games this regular season, who I'd rather have for the regular season right now, it's SGA.

If you asked me "Who would you rather have in the playoffs", it's Giannis and it's not particularly close. Because he can step it up to all-time great levels in the playoffs, like Jokic, like Luka. We haven't yet seen that from SGA.

But alas, this is a REGULAR SEASON MVP thread. Not "Best player in the world in the playoffs" thread, because if it was, it would be Jokic/Giannis/Luka, and everyone else.

[eyeatoma]

Lmao, disregards literal evidence and says "Waaahh this doesn't fit my view I'm gonna disregard it completely!"

Never change, at least we know who we're dealing with here now.

Lol the irony here is... Chef's kiss...

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Go on - which of your points have I completely disregarded? Link it here I'll happily respond to it.

The large majority of missed games for Embiid have been injuries. Nuff said...

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[Cubbies2120]

Lol the irony here is... Chef's kiss...

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Go on - which of your points have I completely disregarded? Link it here I'll happily respond to it.

The large majority of missed games for Embiid have been injuries. Nuff said...

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Point 1 (Yours): Large majority? Absolutely - I agree with this.

Point 2 (Mine): Some high profile matchups dodged because he didn't want to play in a certain location, or chose the other end of the B2B to rest? Absolutely.

Both things can be true.

One is excusable (missing games due to injury).
The other is not (missing high profile road games, especially when you're publicly lobbying for MVP. Do you agree or disagree with Point 1 and Point 2? Why or why not?

[eyeatoma]

Go on - which of your points have I completely disregarded? Link it here I'll happily respond to it.

The large majority of missed games for Embiid have been injuries. Nuff said...

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Point 1 (Yours): Large majority? Absolutely - I agree with this.

Point 2 (Mine): Some high profile matchups dodged because he didn't want to play in a certain location, or chose the other end of the B2B to rest? Absolutely.

Both things can be true.

One is excusable (missing games due to injury).
The other is not (missing high profile road games, especially when you're publicly lobbying for MVP. Do you agree or disagree with Point 1 and Point 2? Why or why not?

He missed one game last year that appeared questionable even though he had a legit calf issue . This year all have been legitimate. You just decided you were going to try do some investigative journalism while all you were doing was donning your shiniest tin foil hat.

Also b2b are often the most common time players will rest. Embiid is not the only one doing this.
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[Cubbies2120]

The large majority of missed games for Embiid have been injuries. Nuff said...

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Point 1 (Yours): Large majority? Absolutely - I agree with this.

Point 2 (Mine): Some high profile matchups dodged because he didn't want to play in a certain location, or chose the other end of the B2B to rest? Absolutely.

Both things can be true.

One is excusable (missing games due to injury).
The other is not (missing high profile road games, especially when you're publicly lobbying for MVP. Do you agree or disagree with Point 1 and Point 2? Why or why not?

He missed one game last year that appeared questionable even though he had a legit calf issue . This year all have been legitimate. You just decided you were going to try do some investigative journalism while all you were doing was donning your shiniest tin foil hat.

Also b2b are often the most common time players will rest. Embiid is not the only one doing this.
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Interesting, just one game last year? You watched the Sixers more than I, I presume (reasonable assumption)?

10/26/2022 - @ Toronto | Embiid plays 37 minutes, no signs of injury | Sixers lose by 10
---- Next Game | 2 Days Later | No travel needed
10/28/2022 - @ Toronto | Embiid plays 0 minutes | Rest day | Sixers win by 22

01/19/2023 - @ Portland | Embiid plays 33 minutes, no signs of injury | Sixers win by 10
---- Next Game | 2 Days Later | 1 Hour Flight needed
01/21/2023 - @ Sacramento | Embiid plays 0 minutes | Rest day | Sixers win by 2

02/27/2023 - Vs. Miami | Embiid plays 33 minutes, no signs of injury | Sixers lose by 2
---- Next Game | 2 Days Later | 3 Hour Flight Needed
03/01/2023 - @ Miami | Embiid plays 0 minutes | Rest day | Sixers win by 23

03/25/2023 - @ Phoenix | Embiid plays 32 minutes, no signs of injury | Sixers lose by 20
---- Next Game | 2 Days Later | 1 Hour 50 Flight Needed
03/27/2023 - @ Denver | Embiid plays 0 minutes | Rest day | Sixers lose by 6

If your 'injury' is "soreness", ask any NBA player, ever, if they're sore sometimes.

Cmon bruh this makes him look even worse...

Missed road game version against elite teams...

Played vs. Denver at home 1x, 'sore' on road
Played vs. Sacramento at home 1x, 'sore' on road (Sacramento #3 seed in West)
Played vs. Miami at home 2x, 'sore' on road (Miami won the East)

So unfortunate that he gets soreness before some big games...for YEARS now.

Btw, all of these 'soreness' incidents are surrounded on both sides by games Embiid played. So these were not long rehabs that he usually gets for his injuries...

This is just last year btw - https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/embiijo01/gamelog/2023

[GreatWhiteStiff]

It would not at all surprise me (and in many ways it would be appropriate) ifEyeatoma might need a few days rest themselves to recuperate after that post from Cubbies. Thank you for your patience, please do something productive with your days.

[Infinite Llamas]

Haliburton has slipped a bit as his team has been losing but closing in on b2b 20 assist games is nothing short of amazing. As long as Indy remains over .500 he will in the backend of the MVP discussion.

[eyeatoma]

Point 1 (Yours): Large majority? Absolutely - I agree with this.

Point 2 (Mine): Some high profile matchups dodged because he didn't want to play in a certain location, or chose the other end of the B2B to rest? Absolutely.

Both things can be true.

One is excusable (missing games due to injury).
The other is not (missing high profile road games, especially when you're publicly lobbying for MVP. Do you agree or disagree with Point 1 and Point 2? Why or why not?

He missed one game last year that appeared questionable even though he had a legit calf issue . This year all have been legitimate. You just decided you were going to try do some investigative journalism while all you were doing was donning your shiniest tin foil hat.

Also b2b are often the most common time players will rest. Embiid is not the only one doing this.
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Interesting, just one game last year? You watched the Sixers more than I, I presume (reasonable assumption)?

10/26/2022 - @ Toronto | Embiid plays 37 minutes, no signs of injury | Sixers lose by 10
---- Next Game | 2 Days Later | No travel needed
10/28/2022 - @ Toronto | Embiid plays 0 minutes | Rest day | Sixers win by 22

Sore right knee

01/19/2023 - @ Portland | Embiid plays 33 minutes, no signs of injury | Sixers win by 10
---- Next Game | 2 Days Later | 1 Hour Flight needed
01/21/2023 - @ Sacramento | Embiid plays 0 minutes | Rest day | Sixers win by 2

left foot injury recovery

02/27/2023 - Vs. Miami | Embiid plays 33 minutes, no signs of injury | Sixers lose by 2
---- Next Game | 2 Days Later | 3 Hour Flight Needed
03/01/2023 - @ Miami | Embiid plays 0 minutes | Rest day | Sixers win by 23

Left foot soreness

03/25/2023 - @ Phoenix | Embiid plays 32 minutes, no signs of injury | Sixers lose by 20
Calf - was dealing with this for a few games, and played through it

---- Next Game | 2 Days Later | 1 Hour 50 Flight Needed
03/27/2023 - @ Denver | Embiid plays 0 minutes | Rest day | Sixers lose by 6

Calf

If your 'injury' is "soreness", ask any NBA player, ever, if they're sore sometimes.

Cmon bruh this makes him look even worse...

Missed road game version against elite teams...

Played vs. Denver at home 1x, 'sore' on road
Played vs. Sacramento at home 1x, 'sore' on road (Sacramento #3 seed in West)
Played vs. Miami at home 2x, 'sore' on road (Miami won the East)

So unfortunate that he gets soreness before some big games...for YEARS now.

Btw, all of these 'soreness' incidents are surrounded on both sides by games Embiid played. So these were not long rehabs that he usually gets for his injuries...

This is just last year btw - https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/embiijo01/gamelog/2023

I've listed the injuries above. Also, as mentioned before you fail to take context into consideration. This is an injury prone big man. Prior to these games missed he played heavy minutes, and also played for a good stretch of games. Some of these are planned rest days by the Sixers management, some are actual injuries. Again, you have zero insight in how the sixers manager him. I'd say they have a better idea of how to do it than you, especially given that he was a red shirt for two years, and has dealt with multiple serious injuries. The only thing that is needed is his health in the playoffs.

You're manufacturing stuff for no reason. I genuinely want to ask, if this was such a big deal, why hasn't a reputed journalist written about it? Don't tell me about the Denver game, apart from that. You know why? Because they know Embiid is injury prone, and they know that stars load manage. I've asked this question to you multiple times, and you've never responded. Give it a rest already.

[Cubbies2120]

He missed one game last year that appeared questionable even though he had a legit calf issue . This year all have been legitimate. You just decided you were going to try do some investigative journalism while all you were doing was donning your shiniest tin foil hat.

Also b2b are often the most common time players will rest. Embiid is not the only one doing this.
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Interesting, just one game last year? You watched the Sixers more than I, I presume (reasonable assumption)?

10/26/2022 - @ Toronto | Embiid plays 37 minutes, no signs of injury | Sixers lose by 10
---- Next Game | 2 Days Later | No travel needed
10/28/2022 - @ Toronto | Embiid plays 0 minutes | Rest day | Sixers win by 22

Sore right knee

01/19/2023 - @ Portland | Embiid plays 33 minutes, no signs of injury | Sixers win by 10
---- Next Game | 2 Days Later | 1 Hour Flight needed
01/21/2023 - @ Sacramento | Embiid plays 0 minutes | Rest day | Sixers win by 2

left foot injury recovery

02/27/2023 - Vs. Miami | Embiid plays 33 minutes, no signs of injury | Sixers lose by 2
---- Next Game | 2 Days Later | 3 Hour Flight Needed
03/01/2023 - @ Miami | Embiid plays 0 minutes | Rest day | Sixers win by 23

Left foot soreness

03/25/2023 - @ Phoenix | Embiid plays 32 minutes, no signs of injury | Sixers lose by 20
Calf - was dealing with this for a few games, and played through it

---- Next Game | 2 Days Later | 1 Hour 50 Flight Needed
03/27/2023 - @ Denver | Embiid plays 0 minutes | Rest day | Sixers lose by 6

Calf

If your 'injury' is "soreness", ask any NBA player, ever, if they're sore sometimes.

Cmon bruh this makes him look even worse...

Missed road game version against elite teams...

Played vs. Denver at home 1x, 'sore' on road
Played vs. Sacramento at home 1x, 'sore' on road (Sacramento #3 seed in West)
Played vs. Miami at home 2x, 'sore' on road (Miami won the East)

So unfortunate that he gets soreness before some big games...for YEARS now.

Btw, all of these 'soreness' incidents are surrounded on both sides by games Embiid played. So these were not long rehabs that he usually gets for his injuries...

This is just last year btw - https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/embiijo01/gamelog/2023

I've listed the injuries above. Also , as mentioned before you fail to take context into considertion. This is an injury prone big man. Prior to these games missed he played heavy minutes, and also played for a good stretch of games. Some of these are planned rest days by the Sixers management, some are actual injuries. Again, you zero insight in how the sixers manager him. I'd say they have a better idea of how to do it than you, especially given that he was a red shirt for two years, and has dealt with multiple serious injuries. The only thing that is needed is his health in the playoffs.

Again your manufacturing stuff for no reason. I genuinely want to ask, if this was such a big deal, why hasn't a reputed journalist written about it? Don't tell me about the Denver game, apart from that. You know why? Because they know Embiid is injury prone, and they know that stars load manage. I've asked this question to you multiple times, and you've never responded. Give it a rest already.

"Why hasn't anyone else written about it" - Uh, I don't know? Because someone else hasn't picked up on it, that means there's no merit to it?

Then every thread on realgm, and every post on realgm...to have merit...needs to have been written somewhere else? If I go tweet it under a pseudonym, does this satisfy your requirements?

Calf soreness, leg soreness...

Hilarious that he's so soft that soreness keeps him out of games. Ridiculous. Every player is sore, if they're giving it their all. How many of them consistently sit out big games due to soreness? S O F T

[PennSports]

this thread is a complete disaster

bad faith arguments from the usual suspect trolls

just stop feeding them

[LordCovington33]

this thread is a complete disaster

bad faith arguments from the usual suspect trolls

just stop feeding them

My first visit to this thread since Boxing Day. Such a train wreck. Best to avoid for your own sanity.
That all said, SGA has made strides. Embiid still has the best stats and maybe the best winning percentage for games played (correct me if I am wrong), but it won’t mean much if he doesn’t hit the minimum game requirement.

[Yuri36]

For December, Doncic has been averaging 37ppg-9rbds-11assists....and yet he is perhaps not even in the current top 3 of MVP candidates.
League is really in an all time max level of talent.

[LordCovington33]

For December, Doncic has been averaging 37ppg-9rbds-11assists....and yet he is perhaps not even in the current top 3 of MVP candidates.
League is really in an all time max level of talent.

It is pretty wide open this year, and if voting stopped today, I’d be happy with any of the named players getting it.

[Wolfgang630]

I think any of these guys winning it will be fine.

[eyeatoma]

Interesting, just one game last year? You watched the Sixers more than I, I presume (reasonable assumption)?

10/26/2022 - @ Toronto | Embiid plays 37 minutes, no signs of injury | Sixers lose by 10
---- Next Game | 2 Days Later | No travel needed
10/28/2022 - @ Toronto | Embiid plays 0 minutes | Rest day | Sixers win by 22

Sore right knee

01/19/2023 - @ Portland | Embiid plays 33 minutes, no signs of injury | Sixers win by 10
---- Next Game | 2 Days Later | 1 Hour Flight needed
01/21/2023 - @ Sacramento | Embiid plays 0 minutes | Rest day | Sixers win by 2

left foot injury recovery

02/27/2023 - Vs. Miami | Embiid plays 33 minutes, no signs of injury | Sixers lose by 2
---- Next Game | 2 Days Later | 3 Hour Flight Needed
03/01/2023 - @ Miami | Embiid plays 0 minutes | Rest day | Sixers win by 23

Left foot soreness

03/25/2023 - @ Phoenix | Embiid plays 32 minutes, no signs of injury | Sixers lose by 20
Calf - was dealing with this for a few games, and played through it

---- Next Game | 2 Days Later | 1 Hour 50 Flight Needed
03/27/2023 - @ Denver | Embiid plays 0 minutes | Rest day | Sixers lose by 6

Calf

If your 'injury' is "soreness", ask any NBA player, ever, if they're sore sometimes.

Cmon bruh this makes him look even worse...

Missed road game version against elite teams...

Played vs. Denver at home 1x, 'sore' on road
Played vs. Sacramento at home 1x, 'sore' on road (Sacramento #3 seed in West)
Played vs. Miami at home 2x, 'sore' on road (Miami won the East)

So unfortunate that he gets soreness before some big games...for YEARS now.

Btw, all of these 'soreness' incidents are surrounded on both sides by games Embiid played. So these were not long rehabs that he usually gets for his injuries...

This is just last year btw - https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/embiijo01/gamelog/2023

I've listed the injuries above. Also , as mentioned before you fail to take context into considertion. This is an injury prone big man. Prior to these games missed he played heavy minutes, and also played for a good stretch of games. Some of these are planned rest days by the Sixers management, some are actual injuries. Again, you zero insight in how the sixers manager him. I'd say they have a better idea of how to do it than you, especially given that he was a red shirt for two years, and has dealt with multiple serious injuries. The only thing that is needed is his health in the playoffs.

Again your manufacturing stuff for no reason. I genuinely want to ask, if this was such a big deal, why hasn't a reputed journalist written about it? Don't tell me about the Denver game, apart from that. You know why? Because they know Embiid is injury prone, and they know that stars load manage. I've asked this question to you multiple times, and you've never responded. Give it a rest already.

"Why hasn't anyone else written about it" - Uh, I don't know? Because someone else hasn't picked up on it, that means there's no merit to it?

Then every thread on realgm, and every post on realgm...to have merit...needs to have been written somewhere else? If I go tweet it under a pseudonym, does this satisfy your requirements?

Calf soreness, leg soreness...

Hilarious that he's so soft that soreness keeps him out of games. Ridiculous. Every player is sore, if they're giving it their all. How many of them consistently sit out big games due to soreness? S O F T

This is a comment of someone who has nothing better to say and basically just doesn't like it.

Calling people soft is hilarious. I guarantee you he is a lot "harder" than you and probably the large majority of this board and the general global population.

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[RB34]

The ebbs and flows of this years MVP race are pretty crazy to see.

I fully expect Embiid to be knocked off the top of the power rankings. He can’t keep missing games while other players have huge games against contenders.

SGA should be shooting up the rankings. Giannis might have a word also.

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[ROballer]

this thread is a complete disaster

bad faith arguments from the usual suspect trolls

just stop feeding them

My first visit to this thread since Boxing Day. Such a train wreck. Best to avoid for your own sanity.
That all said, SGA has made strides. Embiid still has the best stats and maybe the best winning percentage for games played (correct me if I am wrong), but it won’t mean much if he doesn’t hit the minimum game requirement.

People are not even factoring this when they should.

Every guy needs to play 65 games from now on, period. You can average 50/20/10 and your team can go 60-0 with you in the lineup, if you can't play in 65 games you're not gonna be named MVP.

Those are the new rules, everyone must abide.


Embiid already missed 7 games this year when the Sixers only played 32 overall. So he needs to go 40 out of their last 50 games at the very least to qualify.

That means 4 out of every 5 games he needs to play, so 80% of the remaining games.

Every little nagging injury from now which will cost him a week or so(assuming he even suits up the next game) and he's out of the race entirely.

[Cubbies2120]

I've listed the injuries above. Also , as mentioned before you fail to take context into considertion. This is an injury prone big man. Prior to these games missed he played heavy minutes, and also played for a good stretch of games. Some of these are planned rest days by the Sixers management, some are actual injuries. Again, you zero insight in how the sixers manager him. I'd say they have a better idea of how to do it than you, especially given that he was a red shirt for two years, and has dealt with multiple serious injuries. The only thing that is needed is his health in the playoffs.

Again your manufacturing stuff for no reason. I genuinely want to ask, if this was such a big deal, why hasn't a reputed journalist written about it? Don't tell me about the Denver game, apart from that. You know why? Because they know Embiid is injury prone, and they know that stars load manage. I've asked this question to you multiple times, and you've never responded. Give it a rest already.

"Why hasn't anyone else written about it" - Uh, I don't know? Because someone else hasn't picked up on it, that means there's no merit to it?

Then every thread on realgm, and every post on realgm...to have merit...needs to have been written somewhere else? If I go tweet it under a pseudonym, does this satisfy your requirements?

Calf soreness, leg soreness...

Hilarious that he's so soft that soreness keeps him out of games. Ridiculous. Every player is sore, if they're giving it their all. How many of them consistently sit out big games due to soreness? S O F T

This is a comment of someone who has nothing better to say and basically just doesn't like it.

Calling people soft is hilarious. I guarantee you he is a lot "harder" than you and probably the large majority of this board and the general global population.

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Is he compared to the general global population, or is he compared to his peers (NBA players) and an even more selective group of peers (elite NBA players)?

Kobe called Dwight Howard 'soft', because he was comparing him to other elite players, not the general global population LMAO!

Soreness...my goodness

Patiently waiting for this season to end and for you once again to write "Jokic is the best in the world"...

What would be absolutely hilarious is to see Embiid win MVP this year, underperform (again) in the playoffs, and then seeing you return to this thread next year arguing he can win MVP (despite 'historical precedent' argument you used against Jokic in his 3rd campaign). You wouldn't do that though, right?

[Cubbies2120]

this thread is a complete disaster

bad faith arguments from the usual suspect trolls

just stop feeding them

My first visit to this thread since Boxing Day. Such a train wreck. Best to avoid for your own sanity.
That all said, SGA has made strides. Embiid still has the best stats and maybe the best winning percentage for games played (correct me if I am wrong), but it won’t mean much if he doesn’t hit the minimum game requirement.

People are not even factoring this when they should.

Every guy needs to play 65 games from now on, period. You can average 50/20/10 and your team can go 60-0 with you in the lineup, if you can't play in 65 games you're not gonna be named MVP.

Those are the new rules, everyone must abide.


Embiid already missed 7 games this year when the Sixers only played 32 overall. So he needs to go 40 out of their last 50 games at the very least to qualify.

That means 4 out of every 5 games he needs to play, so 80% of the remaining games.

Every little nagging injury from now which will cost him a week or so(assuming he even suits up the next game) and he's out of the race entirely.

Also, Embiid tends to miss road games more than home games (Sixers fans don't like this, but this is literally factual based on the last 5 YEARS...he's missed TWICE as many road games as he has home games. Justify it however you want, it's FACT.)

I mean just look at this season ALONE. Every single game missed? Road game.

They've got 25 road games left this year. If he continues at his current rate of missing road games (43%!), he'll be disqualified from contention for MVP even if he plays EVERY SINGLE HOME GAME.