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Bad-Thoma wrote:165bows wrote:KillahGhostface wrote:
There’s only three guys that I’d take over Tatum in a playoff run. Jokic, Giannis, and Steph.
(Jaylen = poo) + (Tatum < top-10) doesn’t equate to the success the team has had and aren’t compatible belief systems. Doesn’t compute.
Don't forget how bad our coach is!
Blow it up, not too late to tank.
Red2 wrote:Is it age or is it injuries with Holiday? I’ve waiting to see the guy who was the second best player in Milwaukee and the first best player in new orleans . Quickness is one of the first things to go snd last night he was slow. Still a very good player but not the player I was ecpecting. His O has to be better
VeryMuchWoke wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:playa-hater wrote:
If you are confident with Joe in a tight playoff series than that's on you.. Sick and tired of people saying I am supposed to like and/or be confident with Joe. I am not.. So many **** sheep...
Well I have to say I don’t think I’ve ever seen a coach get bashed so much with so little actual analysis
This team has already relied on Tatum and Brown performing to a high level. Our last two playoff shortcomings have been off the back of one of them not playing to their standard.
It happened under Ime and last season under Joe.
We are undefeated at home, have lost just 7 games on the road and all the losses have been very close yet the talk is like we've got some horrific dude coaching us to a .500 record.
Yeah, its weird that people care about him being vastly inferior to Spoelstra and even Doc Rivers in the playoffs despite all the regular season success he’s had.
GrandTheftRondo wrote:VeryMuchWoke wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:Well I have to say I don’t think I’ve ever seen a coach get bashed so much with so little actual analysis
This team has already relied on Tatum and Brown performing to a high level. Our last two playoff shortcomings have been off the back of one of them not playing to their standard.
It happened under Ime and last season under Joe.
We are undefeated at home, have lost just 7 games on the road and all the losses have been very close yet the talk is like we've got some horrific dude coaching us to a .500 record.
Yeah, its weird that people care about him being vastly inferior to Spoelstra and even Doc Rivers in the playoffs despite all the regular season success he’s had.
I’m not saying he’s some amazing coach but the hyperbole around this dude has become absolutely ridiculous. Everything seems to be his fault, it’s never on the players when we lose.
We’ve almost lost to Miami two seasons in a row in the playoffs because outside of Tatum the team has simply been easy for them to defend against and Tatum himself late has run into some trouble.
It happened under Ime and under Joe. There’s a reason we went and got Jrue and Porzingis. Smart simply didn’t worry Miami enough, Miami exploited Brown’s lack of playmaking and Horford cannot be relied upon at his age to play elite D and hit shots all series.
We were never going to beat Miami with Jaylen averaging 19ppg on 41% shooting. Plus the ridiculous turnovers and lack of 3s.
Maybe you’ve put it out of your memory but Spo got bashed from pillar to post when he was first coaching LeBron.
As for Doc, I’m not sure how anyone could watch him coaching over the last 5 years and really say he’s vastly superior to anyone. He was the definition of a washed coach.
playa-hater wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:VeryMuchWoke wrote:
Yeah, its weird that people care about him being vastly inferior to Spoelstra and even Doc Rivers in the playoffs despite all the regular season success he’s had.
I’m not saying he’s some amazing coach but the hyperbole around this dude has become absolutely ridiculous. Everything seems to be his fault, it’s never on the players when we lose.
We’ve almost lost to Miami two seasons in a row in the playoffs because outside of Tatum the team has simply been easy for them to defend against and Tatum himself late has run into some trouble.
It happened under Ime and under Joe. There’s a reason we went and got Jrue and Porzingis. Smart simply didn’t worry Miami enough, Miami exploited Brown’s lack of playmaking and Horford cannot be relied upon at his age to play elite D and hit shots all series.
We were never going to beat Miami with Jaylen averaging 19ppg on 41% shooting. Plus the ridiculous turnovers and lack of 3s.
Maybe you’ve put it out of your memory but Spo got bashed from pillar to post when he was first coaching LeBron.
As for Doc, I’m not sure how anyone could watch him coaching over the last 5 years and really say he’s vastly superior to anyone. He was the definition of a washed coach.
I don't know of a single poster who has ever blamed everything on joe.. I think you are taking criticism of joe and running way too far with it.. There are quite a few of us who don't buy into joe being a great coach or even a good coach.. Especially when everything is based on regular season accomplishments.. This Boston team has either gone to the championship or Eastern conference finals Many times before joe got here.. In fact, stevens taken over as p o b o has continually improved upon a team that actually made it to the championship..
There are 30 head coaches in this league.. If you put all the names in a hat and pulled out one, No matter who it is, the team's expectation to win a championship would be the same.. There is just way too much talent on this team. Not to be a serious contender. You can almost put this team on auto pilot during the regular season.. Joe's true value or failing will be seen in the playoffs.. And if it's based on how he coached during last year's playoffs, there was so many red flags I cant even begin to say..
GrandTheftRondo wrote:playa-hater wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:I’m not saying he’s some amazing coach but the hyperbole around this dude has become absolutely ridiculous. Everything seems to be his fault, it’s never on the players when we lose.
We’ve almost lost to Miami two seasons in a row in the playoffs because outside of Tatum the team has simply been easy for them to defend against and Tatum himself late has run into some trouble.
It happened under Ime and under Joe. There’s a reason we went and got Jrue and Porzingis. Smart simply didn’t worry Miami enough, Miami exploited Brown’s lack of playmaking and Horford cannot be relied upon at his age to play elite D and hit shots all series.
We were never going to beat Miami with Jaylen averaging 19ppg on 41% shooting. Plus the ridiculous turnovers and lack of 3s.
Maybe you’ve put it out of your memory but Spo got bashed from pillar to post when he was first coaching LeBron.
As for Doc, I’m not sure how anyone could watch him coaching over the last 5 years and really say he’s vastly superior to anyone. He was the definition of a washed coach.
I don't know of a single poster who has ever blamed everything on joe.. I think you are taking criticism of joe and running way too far with it.. There are quite a few of us who don't buy into joe being a great coach or even a good coach.. Especially when everything is based on regular season accomplishments.. This Boston team has either gone to the championship or Eastern conference finals Many times before joe got here.. In fact, stevens taken over as p o b o has continually improved upon a team that actually made it to the championship..
There are 30 head coaches in this league.. If you put all the names in a hat and pulled out one, No matter who it is, the team's expectation to win a championship would be the same.. There is just way too much talent on this team. Not to be a serious contender. You can almost put this team on auto pilot during the regular season.. Joe's true value or failing will be seen in the playoffs.. And if it's based on how he coached during last year's playoffs, there was so many red flags I cant even begin to say..
I don’t even buy into Joe necessarily being a good coach yet. But he’s very early into his career and I don’t think he’s been all that bad either.
You don’t think there’s been a heap of criticism of him?
This board is filled with constant posts about him in every game thread when a team goes on a run, when we’re losing or whatever else is happening.
There are multiple posters who bash him in every thread when even the tiniest thing goes wrong.
It’s not like these posts have any sort of analysis either. It just seems to be the default thing to throw his name in a critical post when something goes wrong out there.
Mazzulla is raved about in NBA circles. I’ve watched a few interviews with him over the past six months and he seems far more switched on than people think he is.
There is very much a group of people on here who think Mazzulla tells them to chuck 3s all game with no other sort of tactical nous and when it goes wrong he will just be snarky to the media.
ConstableGeneva wrote:
Lengthy athletic guys might be the answer to these smaller, shifty guards. But then they'll just call for a screen to get the matchup they want.
playa-hater wrote:GrandTheftRondo wrote:playa-hater wrote:
I don't know of a single poster who has ever blamed everything on joe.. I think you are taking criticism of joe and running way too far with it.. There are quite a few of us who don't buy into joe being a great coach or even a good coach.. Especially when everything is based on regular season accomplishments.. This Boston team has either gone to the championship or Eastern conference finals Many times before joe got here.. In fact, stevens taken over as p o b o has continually improved upon a team that actually made it to the championship..
There are 30 head coaches in this league.. If you put all the names in a hat and pulled out one, No matter who it is, the team's expectation to win a championship would be the same.. There is just way too much talent on this team. Not to be a serious contender. You can almost put this team on auto pilot during the regular season.. Joe's true value or failing will be seen in the playoffs.. And if it's based on how he coached during last year's playoffs, there was so many red flags I cant even begin to say..
I don’t even buy into Joe necessarily being a good coach yet. But he’s very early into his career and I don’t think he’s been all that bad either.
You don’t think there’s been a heap of criticism of him?
This board is filled with constant posts about him in every game thread when a team goes on a run, when we’re losing or whatever else is happening.
There are multiple posters who bash him in every thread when even the tiniest thing goes wrong.
It’s not like these posts have any sort of analysis either. It just seems to be the default thing to throw his name in a critical post when something goes wrong out there.
Mazzulla is raved about in NBA circles. I’ve watched a few interviews with him over the past six months and he seems far more switched on than people think he is.
There is very much a group of people on here who think Mazzulla tells them to chuck 3s all game with no other sort of tactical nous and when it goes wrong he will just be snarky to the media.
Is hard for me to reply while on my phone but I will try. There are certainly a lot of posters who give Joe A heap of criticism as you say. But no one is immune to getting criticism.. You can say the exact same thing about tatum brown and just about every celtic.. I mean, people have complained that derek white wasn't worth the trade for a long time.. That is just part of a message board I guess..
And when you say people have not even given any analyszations. Not on every single post of course but at some Point in the past they certainly may have. I know I have done quite a few times..
As for people in the n b a circles raving about joe, That's fine, They also raved about.
Monty williams and even gave him the coach of the year award.
I guess my point is. You can always find someone on either side of the Debate.. But eventually the truth will come out.. But it takes time.. For boston the time will be in the playoffs not the regular season.. Then we will see one way or the other.
Hal14 wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:
Lengthy athletic guys might be the answer to these smaller, shifty guards. But then they'll just call for a screen to get the matchup they want.
We had this guy sitting on our bench all game..
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GrandTheftRondo wrote:Hal14 wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:
Lengthy athletic guys might be the answer to these smaller, shifty guards. But then they'll just call for a screen to get the matchup they want.
We had this guy sitting on our bench all game..
?s=20
I’m a little surprised Brissett hasn’t got much burn recently either
steefP2 wrote:anyway complaining about the kornett minutes didn't watch the game lol. Our defense looked the best all game when it was him and KP together. We should actually go more double big vs okc imo.
BK_2020 wrote:TheSheriff wrote:165bows wrote:I mean, it’s very good - how good is it compared to the elite teams of the past? There is no top-10 or 20 player, no Lebron, Curry, Duncan. It’s probably better than the famed ‘04 pistons team but they at least had one area where they were elite in, this team is very deep across the rotation and good in all areas but not high level elite at anything imo, at least in an all time sense like most title winners are.
This team is as good as many past champions. Jayson Tatum is a top five player in this league right now.
Where someone ranks on the all-time list doesn’t matter if they aren’t playing at their peak during the championship run. Tim Duncan in his last championship year was not at his peak for example. You compare them to to 2004 Pistons. What about the Bad Boy Pistons. None of those guy are legit top ten of all time or in the category of Duncan and Lebron.
Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, Curry, KD, AD, Luka clearly ahead of him. There's no way Tatum is in the convo for top 5. It's arguable SGA and Haliburton are ahead though they don't have Tatum's defense or the track record. Butler doesn't have Tatum's numbers but we know that he's in the same tier. I think Tatum belongs in the cluster of late top 10.
Meanwhile the Big Three Celtics had KG who was a top 3 player at worst, Pierce who was clearly top 10, and Ray Allen clearly top 15.
Also we are supposed to have won 70% of the games last year on talent alone despite Joe's bad coaching yet all the former Celtics are stinking it up.
KillahGhostface wrote:
fallguy wrote:BK_2020 wrote:TheSheriff wrote:
This team is as good as many past champions. Jayson Tatum is a top five player in this league right now.
Where someone ranks on the all-time list doesn’t matter if they aren’t playing at their peak during the championship run. Tim Duncan in his last championship year was not at his peak for example. You compare them to to 2004 Pistons. What about the Bad Boy Pistons. None of those guy are legit top ten of all time or in the category of Duncan and Lebron.
Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, Curry, KD, AD, Luka clearly ahead of him. There's no way Tatum is in the convo for top 5. It's arguable SGA and Haliburton are ahead though they don't have Tatum's defense or the track record. Butler doesn't have Tatum's numbers but we know that he's in the same tier. I think Tatum belongs in the cluster of late top 10.
Meanwhile the Big Three Celtics had KG who was a top 3 player at worst, Pierce who was clearly top 10, and Ray Allen clearly top 15.
Also we are supposed to have won 70% of the games last year on talent alone despite Joe's bad coaching yet all the former Celtics are stinking it up.
Agree with most of your list. But would excise Haliburton and I expect AD will eventually fall off when he gets hurt. But your point stands. Tatum, however great he has been, isn't top-5 this season.
I think (?) most of the angst on the board with respect to Tatum speaks to a lack of confidence that he can elevate to be a top-5 player for three rounds of the playoffs (we won't need it in round one). Even with our talent advantage, we'll need Tatum to be That Guy™ for the final three rounds. It's fair to wonder if he will be, given that he hasn't done it yet. But it's also fair to believe this is his year given what we've seen from him so far.
tfmiii wrote:KillahGhostface wrote:
I've noticed this about Jrue, he struggles against the "smaller, shifter" and I'd add speedier guards. DWhite isn't always the answer in those situations either.
We need to game plan better, perhaps alter personnel rotations against those sort of challenges.