Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24 – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET)

[Hal14]

Saddiq Bey is an absolute sieve on defense but you do get that sweet sweet 34% three point shooting.

Bey's catch and shoot 3's
23-24 reg season: 36.2%
22-23 playoffs: 42.9%
22-23 reg season: 38.2%
21-22 reg season: 38%

[KillahGhostface]

Saddiq Bey is an absolute sieve on defense

The analytics indicate Bey is a pretty good defender:

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but you do get that sweet sweet 34% three point shooting.

Again, the data tells us a different story:

Catch and shoot 3's
23-24 reg season: 36.2%
22-23 playoffs: 42.9%
22-23 reg season: 38.2%
21-22 reg season: 38%

DPM isn’t a defensive stat, it’s a catch all.

[BK_2020]

Saddiq Bey is an absolute sieve on defense but you do get that sweet sweet 34% three point shooting.

Bey's catch and shoot 3's
23-24 reg season: 36.2%
22-23 playoffs: 42.9%
22-23 reg season: 38.2%
21-22 reg season: 38%

Is 38% supposed to be good for a guy who shoots wide open catch and shoot threes, half of them from the corner? It's barely over league average. That's not what you want from a 3 point specialist who gives up so much on defense.

[Hal14]

Points Per Possession leaders is where we need to find a guy i think,

Alec Burks is currently 3rd in the league
Lonnie Walker 4 is 5th


2 guys who a deal is workable, or a buyoout is plausible, who would be great additions as the SG off the bench.

Jrue/Pritchard/Banton
White/ Above mentioned/Svi
Brown/Hauser/
Tatum/Brissett/Stevens
KP/Horford/Kornet

Burks and Walker are certainly guys to have on the radar.

Not sure how realistic it is that Brooklyn dumps Walker after just signing him this summer..and Burks might only be realistic if he's bought out, due to how much $ he makes..

[KillahGhostface]

Saddiq Bey is an absolute sieve on defense but you do get that sweet sweet 34% three point shooting.

Bey's catch and shoot 3's
23-24 reg season: 36.2%
22-23 playoffs: 42.9%
22-23 reg season: 38.2%
21-22 reg season: 38%

Is 38% supposed to be good for a guy who shoots wide open catch and shoot threes, half of them from the corner? It's barely over league average. That's not what you want from a 3 point specialist who gives up so much on defense.

Compared to Jaylen, maybe.

IM SORRY EVERYONE, I needed to crack one.

[Fierce1]

Just curious but who do you think we can realistically get that would be an upgrade over Kornet/Queta? That player would be someone who could play real minutes in the playoffs when we are already going to go heavy with KP/Horford.

Also what do you consider PP is he not a backup PG? So we should trade our backup PG for a big and then find another backup PG?

I agree, you don't trade the backup PG for a 3rd Center then find another backup PG.

Just get that 3rd Center directly.

I think we need an upgrade at the backup PG as well. PP is ok , but he's going to get creamed on the defensive side come playoff time.

Jrue and White will play close to 40 minutes per game in the playoffs.

PP might not even get 15 minutes per game.

The cost will be too high for an upgrade over PP.

Cs only have one move they can make because of salary cap restrictions and limited assets.

Might as well use that on a 3rd big instead of another PG.

[Hal14]

Saddiq Bey is an absolute sieve on defense but you do get that sweet sweet 34% three point shooting.

Bey's catch and shoot 3's
23-24 reg season: 36.2%
22-23 playoffs: 42.9%
22-23 reg season: 38.2%
21-22 reg season: 38%

Is 38% supposed to be good for a guy who shoots wide open catch and shoot threes, half of them from the corner? It's barely over league average. That's not what you want from a 3 point specialist who gives up so much on defense.

Yes, it's a good number.

And no, he's not a 3 pt specialist.

Bottom line, he has size, strength, toughness, athleticism. He's only 24. Consistent double digit scorer. Starter on the Hawks. Was a key bench player for them in the playoffs last season - played a much bigger role in that series than Hauser or Pritchard did.

I mean, if we can get Bey for barely nothing, using the Grant TPE. You really wouldn't want that?

[fallguy]

We should be thinking about trades as if Porzingis will miss multiple games in the playoffs, if not an entire series.

[Celts17Pride]

We should be thinking about trades as if Porzingis will miss multiple games in the playoffs, if not an entire series.

I personally think the Celtics are fine with their 4 centers (I'm assuming Queta gets a regular contract later this year). This is why I would love to get a big wing SF/PF if Brad Stevens can swing it.

In my opinion, it's going to be tough to find a center for what the Celtics can do in a trade that will produce more than Kornet and Queta. In might be easier to find an upgrade to Brissett/Stevens at the big wing position.

My choice is Utah's Simone Fontecchio but he is starting now and shooting 41% from three point range. Doubt Ainge moves him for what the Celtics would pay.

[fallguy]

We should be thinking about trades as if Porzingis will miss multiple games in the playoffs, if not an entire series.

I personally think the Celtics are fine with their 4 centers (I'm assuming Queta gets a regular contract later this year). This is why I would love to get a big wing SF/PF if Brad Stevens can swing it.

In my opinion, it's going to be tough to find a center for what the Celtics can do in a trade that will produce more than Kornet and Queta. In might be easier to find an upgrade to Brissett/Stevens at the big wing position.

My choice is Utah's Simone Fontecchio but he is starting now and shooting 41% from three point range. Doubt Ainge moves him for what the Celtics would pay.

Yeah, to be clear, I didn't mean KP will get hurt which means we HAVE to get another big to replace him. We may prefer to go small. And so targeting another big wing might make sense.

I just think we're kidding ourselves if we think he'll be healthy for two months of high intensity playoff basketball.

[BK_2020]

Bey's catch and shoot 3's
23-24 reg season: 36.2%
22-23 playoffs: 42.9%
22-23 reg season: 38.2%
21-22 reg season: 38%

Is 38% supposed to be good for a guy who shoots wide open catch and shoot threes, half of them from the corner? It's barely over league average. That's not what you want from a 3 point specialist who gives up so much on defense.

Yes, it's a good number.

And no, he's not a 3 pt specialist.

Bottom line, he has size, strength, toughness, athleticism. He's only 24. Consistent double digit scorer. Starter on the Hawks. Was a key bench player for them in the playoffs last season - played a much bigger role in that series than Hauser or Pritchard did.

I mean, if we can get Bey for barely nothing, using the Grant TPE. You really wouldn't want that?

I don't see the point. Stick Brissett or Lamar Stevens in the corner and they could shoot 38% on wide open catch and shoot. If they shoot a few percentage points lower, who cares that's like .1 fewer threes per game. Play Svi and you get the same bad defense.
There's hundreds of players we can get for nothing or barely nothing. Doesn't mean it makes sense to do it.

[Hal14]

Is 38% supposed to be good for a guy who shoots wide open catch and shoot threes, half of them from the corner? It's barely over league average. That's not what you want from a 3 point specialist who gives up so much on defense.

Yes, it's a good number.

And no, he's not a 3 pt specialist.

Bottom line, he has size, strength, toughness, athleticism. He's only 24. Consistent double digit scorer. Starter on the Hawks. Was a key bench player for them in the playoffs last season - played a much bigger role in that series than Hauser or Pritchard did.

I mean, if we can get Bey for barely nothing, using the Grant TPE. You really wouldn't want that?

I don't see the point. Stick Brissett or Lamar Stevens in the corner and they could shoot 38% on wide open catch and shoot. If they shoot a few percentage points lower, who cares that's like .1 fewer threes per game. Play Svi and you get the same bad defense.
There's hundreds of players we can get for nothing or barely nothing. Doesn't mean it makes sense to do it.

You must be trolling.

Brissett and Stevens can't shoot. And Joe doesn't play them. He doesn't play Svi either.

Bey has averaged between 11-16 PPG in each of his 4 seasons (we cannot say that about Svi, Brissett, Hauser Pritchard or Stevens). He didn't score all of those points on wide open corner 3's - you're reaching. And he is a proven playoff performer.

And Bey is not that bad defensively. He's as good on D as Hauser imo. Possibly better since you don't see teams hunting him on D and sometimes abusing him w/ offensive players who are stronger and/or quicker.

[BK_2020]

Yes, it's a good number.

And no, he's not a 3 pt specialist.

Bottom line, he has size, strength, toughness, athleticism. He's only 24. Consistent double digit scorer. Starter on the Hawks. Was a key bench player for them in the playoffs last season - played a much bigger role in that series than Hauser or Pritchard did.

I mean, if we can get Bey for barely nothing, using the Grant TPE. You really wouldn't want that?

I don't see the point. Stick Brissett or Lamar Stevens in the corner and they could shoot 38% on wide open catch and shoot. If they shoot a few percentage points lower, who cares that's like .1 fewer threes per game. Play Svi and you get the same bad defense.
There's hundreds of players we can get for nothing or barely nothing. Doesn't mean it makes sense to do it.

You must be trolling.

Brissett and Stevens can't shoot. And Joe doesn't play them. He doesn't play Svi either.

Bey has averaged between 11-16 PPG in each of his 4 seasons (we cannot say that about Svi, Brissett, Hauser Pritchard or Stevens). He didn't score all of those points on wide open corner 3's - you're reaching. And he is a proven playoff performer.

And Bey is not that bad defensively. He's as good on D as Hauser imo. Possibly better since you don't see teams hunting him on D and sometimes abusing him w/ offensive players who are stronger and/or quicker.

They don't hunt him on D because they can go at Trae.

[playa-hater]

Funny stuff here. Hauser played 10 minutes last game so Joe could use our 3rd string center and "the length of Kornet".

Once Kornet gets his corner 3 going it's over for the league!

When is Bey supposed to play?

[165bows]

Never been a big Bey guy and he's prob a little better than I have given him credit for... I do have real concern he would be a guy grumpy if he didn't get minutes he wanted.

Could be totally off on that but Brad hasn't targeted guys like that (kind of young-ish, former pedigree guys that haven't hit yet) in awhile.

[celticgreenie]

Optics would be horrible, but Miles Bridges salary would fit in perfectly as a rental as well as give tatum and porzingis some rest at the 4.

[Larry_Russell]

Caruso is an obvious target. My fear is that ALL the contenders will be bidding on him. Might not be in Celts best interest to overpay. I'm down for SBey for Brissett and two 2nds. Another under the radar guy is XTillman.

Bey is the deal I would make,

Under the radar, guy does what is asked of him in the same way BRisset does, just with better offense.



But I still feel like the need is a backup guard who can isolate and score all on his own when the play breaks down. Scrubb potentially would have filled that role.


Looking at bench
Shooting and size - Hauser
Shooting and passing - Pritchard
Defense - Stevens, Brissett
Shooting defense and size - Horford

Whats missing there? An iso scorer.

That's not really needed. Brogdon was that guy but he was too much of a ball stopper, dribbled too much, forced shots, filled our offensive flow.

Before Brogdon we had Schroder, was pretty good at getting to his spots off the dribble, pressuring the rim, collapsing the defense. But he also was a bad fit here - dribbled too much, forced shots, wasn't enough of a ball mover..looked for his own shot too much, rather than finding the open man, which killed our ball movement and offensive flow.

Plus, it's not like we play all of the bench guys at the same time. There's always at least 1 (if not 2+) starters out there with them, unless it's garbage time. It's typically Tatum in there with the bench unit - so there's your iso scorer.

Nuggets didn't have an iso scorer off their bench last season and it worked out just fine for them. Bucks in 2021 didn't have an iso scorer off their bench either..

Could we use a bench upgrade? Yes. Does it *have* to be an iso scorer? I don't think so.

The problem with Schroder and Brogdon was that they require too many minutes.

Team doesnt need a bench scorer to log 25-30 mins a game. Need them to come in and do what they do in games that shots are NOT falling for the top 7 or 8 players.

I sugested a player like Scrubb could have fit the role and you immediately spoke of Brogdon and Schroeder.

They are very different players in terms of skills and ego.

[165bows]

Optics would be horrible, but Miles Bridges salary would fit in perfectly as a rental as well as give tatum and porzingis some rest at the 4.

I think Boston is plenty in the mix without him, just hope PHI/MIA don't or can't bite on that.

[BK_2020]

Optics would be horrible, but Miles Bridges salary would fit in perfectly as a rental as well as give tatum and porzingis some rest at the 4.

We don't need this.

[djFan71]

Bargain hunting, so flaws are a given. No expectation they even take time from Pritchard. They're more diversification options, than replacements.

Ish Smith hasn't been traded yet this year. Feels like we're required to have him on our team at some point. If super cheap (a 2nd) and he'd be OK not playing much, he's a different option off the bench in that he can create his own scoring.

Steef has countered with DSJ which I am also good with.