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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#721 » by Pattersonca65 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 1:13 am

CrimsonCrew wrote:Just for some perspective, in his first season as the starter (he only played part of one game as a rookie), Tom Brady threw four INTs in a loss to the Broncos. In his second season, he threw three INTs in a loss to the Packers, after two losses in which he threw two INTs each. In his third season, he threw four INTs in a loss to the Bills in week one, then three in a loss to Washington three weeks later. Even the best have **** games. Usually multiple times a season. Brock has shown the ability to bounce back before. Let's see how he shakes it off this times.


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https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-interceptions-thrown-in-a-game-by-joe-montana
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#722 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:01 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:Just for some perspective, in his first season as the starter (he only played part of one game as a rookie), Tom Brady threw four INTs in a loss to the Broncos. In his second season, he threw three INTs in a loss to the Packers, after two losses in which he threw two INTs each. In his third season, he threw four INTs in a loss to the Bills in week one, then three in a loss to Washington three weeks later. Even the best have **** games. Usually multiple times a season. Brock has shown the ability to bounce back before. Let's see how he shakes it off this times.


Some more for reference

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-interceptions-thrown-in-a-game-by-joe-montana


That's fun. Get a load of this one:

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-interceptions-thrown-in-a-game-by-peyton-manning
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#723 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:41 pm

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CrimsonCrew wrote:Just for some perspective, in his first season as the starter (he only played part of one game as a rookie), Tom Brady threw four INTs in a loss to the Broncos. In his second season, he threw three INTs in a loss to the Packers, after two losses in which he threw two INTs each. In his third season, he threw four INTs in a loss to the Bills in week one, then three in a loss to Washington three weeks later. Even the best have **** games. Usually multiple times a season. Brock has shown the ability to bounce back before. Let's see how he shakes it off this times.
What's funny is that the worst throws Purdy made weren't intercepted: there were 3 or four out routes that he uncharacteristically made very poor throws on, not even close. Of his interceptions the first was a good throw but bad decision. The other 3 were all tipped so we cannot really say if they were bad throws or decisions. Overall it was more about their defense causing interceptions than Purdy making bad throws.

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I think arguably his worst decision/throw was the one that bounced off Queen's (I think) facemask. First INT was a pretty bad one. Just didn't see Hamilton lurking and was late. The second wasn't great. Got to get the ball over the blitzer, but the pick was a little fluky in that another blitzer just happened to be right there. Third one was arguably his worst decision, throwing back against his body into the middle, but it was a decent throw that Kittle got his hands on, and there's an argument to be made that Purdy reasonably thought it was a free play (illegal shift penalty that he may have mistaken for an offsides). Still can't put the ball in trouble like that. The fourth he was hit while throwing, though he seemed pretty indecisive in the lead-up.

As said, I don't think it's panic time. Fluky things happen, and Purdy has gotten pretty lucky with INTs previously. We should have expected some regression, it all just seemed to hit at one time. And he seemed less decisive in this game than in recent ones. He was operating slower, less decisive, didn't seem to be getting the usual zip on the balls. He was a little rattled, never really snapped out of it, and it snowballed.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#724 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:03 pm

Interesting to hear Shanahan being more or less flattering of Darnold. Sure, he led the one TD drive, converted on fourth down (though he threw it about five yards short of the sticks and Deebo somehow converted it with three guys dragging him the other way), and then was able to draw the PI in the endzone. But from that point on, we saw classic Darnold rear his head.

He took a sack on a play from the one yard line. And not like an instant pressure sack. He stared to the left, doing nothing, for like 2.5 seconds and then panicked and got sacked. Absolutely inexcusable when we were in a position to make it a one-score game and try for an onside kick. If it's not there, you throw it away. The INT is less of a big deal to me given the circumstance (4th and goal from the 17, given the sack and a penalty), but he threw it into literally quadruple coverage. He just can't process at anywhere near the speed that Purdy can.
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Post#725 » by Jikkle » Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:30 pm

Until Purdy delivers some big moments in some big games he's not going to get the benefit of the doubt like other QBs.

Not saying it's all his fault that he hasn't because Kyle himself is 0-38 when he's done 8+ in the 4th quarter so there is just a core issue with his offense that just isn't able to come from behind and I think we've gone over those reasons multiple times already.

But other guys like Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Mahomes, and etc get the benefit of the doubt because they have a career full of games with late comeback wins and once Purdy has a few of those under his belt people will be more inclined to just chock it up to one of those days and move on.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#726 » by Pattersonca65 » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:25 am

Jikkle wrote:Until Purdy delivers some big moments in some big games he's not going to get the benefit of the doubt like other QBs.

Not saying it's all his fault that he hasn't because Kyle himself is 0-38 when he's done 8+ in the 4th quarter so there is just a core issue with his offense that just isn't able to come from behind and I think we've gone over those reasons multiple times already.

But other guys like Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Mahomes, and etc get the benefit of the doubt because they have a career full of games with late comeback wins and once Purdy has a few of those under his belt people will be more inclined to just chock it up to one of those days and move on.


Those guys have been playing along time. Plus many of these same guys didn't come up in social.media environment early in their careers so their wasn't that level of scrutiny. I have been following the 49ers since 1980. Back then the only scrutiny Montana had to face were calling into KNBR or letters in the SF Chrinicle. Maybe a couple of bad stories on.ESPN.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

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Post#728 » by Samurai » Mon Jan 1, 2024 12:12 am

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But he's just dinking and dunking and living on YAC by the receivers

Clearly he's just a system QB and a game manager. He's just lucky that the system calls for him to be accurate on passes over 15 yards in the air; if the system required him to be extremely inaccurate on those throws he'd be exposed. And as a game manager, really his only responsibility is to win enough games to be the #1 seed. Any dink-and-dunk QB should be able to throw for more yards in a season than any QB in Niners history since the team has been devoid of any decent QB's in their short history; no big deal. :wink:
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#729 » by Pattersonca65 » Mon Jan 1, 2024 5:47 am

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But he's just dinking and dunking and living on YAC by the receivers

Said by people who have never watched him.play. they just repeat what they've heard
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Post#730 » by thesack12 » Thu Jan 4, 2024 1:46 am

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If only he didn't just dink and dunk and live off YAC...
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Post#731 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Jan 4, 2024 9:16 pm

Good review by JT, as usual.



One thing worth highlighting, in light of the decision to rest him the last game, is JT's observation - which I also felt during the game - that Purdy wasn't quite as locked in as he usually is. His accuracy was just a bit off at times, he missed a few reads he usually makes. Pretty minor stuff, but it seemed like he was still just a little shell-shocked from the Ravens game, and I wonder if it wouldn't be good to give him a little more opportunity to get locked back in at full speed. Especially against a team that's resting their best defender.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#733 » by Pattersonca65 » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:39 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Good review by JT, as usual.



One thing worth highlighting, in light of the decision to rest him the last game, is JT's observation - which I also felt during the game - that Purdy wasn't quite as locked in as he usually is. His accuracy was just a bit off at times, he missed a few reads he usually makes. Pretty minor stuff, but it seemed like he was still just a little shell-shocked from the Ravens game, and I wonder if it wouldn't be good to give him a little more opportunity to get locked back in at full speed. Especially against a team that's resting their best defender.


This is entirely possible. It also seemed to me that Shanahan started the game conservatively. Seemed like he was trying to ease Purdy back offensively.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#734 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:12 pm

Obvious to all of us, but something I think a lot of casual fans forget about when considering "supporting casts." This is all the more glaring as the Niners have arguably the best OL in the game at one position, and the OL in general is markedly better in run-blocking than pass-blocking. I would be very curious to know where the Niners rank just in pass-blocking. Anyone have a PFF membership?

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Post#735 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:18 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Obvious to all of us, but something I think a lot of casual fans forget about when considering "supporting casts." This is all the more glaring as the Niners have arguably the best OL in the game at one position, and the OL in general is markedly better in run-blocking than pass-blocking. I would be very curious to know where the Niners rank just in pass-blocking. Anyone have a PFF membership?

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Re: the game this week, the Packers' starting RT is Zach Tom, who went six picks after we took Burford in 2022. Different positions, but most people would view OT as the harder one to fill. Tom has a 77.8 grade. Burford has a 50.4.

Burford is pretty easily the most disappointing player on the Niners this year, at least for me. I thought he would make a bit of a second-year jump. Instead, he's arguably regressed. Really disappointing. I'm hoping Feliciano plays over him in the playoffs.

It is worth noting that I don't think Feliciano played enough to factor into PFF's rankings, and if he had, the Niners probably could climb a few spots. Still, the pass-blocking from Banks through McKivitz hasn't been good enough. We desperately need to address that position group this offseason.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#736 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:20 pm

Just to toot my own horn, this is what I said in my 2022 draft review:

Round 4 (pick 134): Agree with a pick at the position, though I question taking Burford over Zach Tom. Tom is a bit more of a tweener, though both guys played tackle in college, but Tom is markedly more athletic (though markedly shorter arms, too). Don't feel very strongly.
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Post#737 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:34 pm

Sorry for all the posts. I know I'm going down a rabbit hole in a semi-insane way. But this just made me think of all the OL picks we've missed out on over the years.

In 2020, I was screaming for them to stay put and take Wirfs. They traded back one spot, the Bucs took Wirfs, and they took Kinlaw. The only reason this was even borderline acceptable was because they somehow managed to steal Big Trent literally the next day. Wirfs has been a perennial pro bowler at RT. He struggled a bit switching to LT this year, but still had an 81.1 grade and projects to only improve. McKivitz had a 65.1 grade this season.

In 2021, we took Aaron Banks in the second round. Creed Humphrey went 15 picks later. I and several others are on record at the time saying we should have gone with Humphrey (admittedly, I didn't have us taking an IOL with that pick). Banks has been serviceable at best. He's dealt with injuries this year, but his grade is a woeful 54.9. Humphrey has been the best center in the league basically since he was drafted. He had a 78.2 grade this year.

In 2022, we took Drake Jackson in the second round. I was okay with the pick given the upside, but also wanted Bernard Raimann. Raimann started at LT for the Colts this past season and posted an 82.3 grade.

Later in 2022, we took Burford over Tom. See my post above.

This past year, the Niners reached for Cameron Latu, who might not have made the squad but for an injury designation. They passed on multiple OL. It's too early to really judge those guys, but anyone would have been better than Latu at this point.

Got to not only make some picks at the position this year, but hit on those picks.
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Re: The Brock Purdy Thread 

Post#738 » by thesack12 » Wed Jan 17, 2024 9:54 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Obvious to all of us, but something I think a lot of casual fans forget about when considering "supporting casts." This is all the more glaring as the Niners have arguably the best OL in the game at one position, and the OL in general is markedly better in run-blocking than pass-blocking. I would be very curious to know where the Niners rank just in pass-blocking. Anyone have a PFF membership?

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38356170/2023-nfl-pass-rush-run-stop-blocking-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams?__s=xxxxxxx

Not exactly what you were looking for but it does provide some relevant data. Lots of other interesting numbers to digest in there as well.

49ers OL pass plock win rate is 20th and their Run block win rate is 23rd.

Surprising for that metric the pass protection is rates out better than the run blocking. Regardless it shows the the OL is a weak point of the team.
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Post#739 » by thesack12 » Wed Jan 17, 2024 9:56 pm

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As much as McKivitz leaves to be desired, we should all be happy they didn't give McGlinchey an extension
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Post#740 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:26 pm

thesack12 wrote:On a related side note....

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As much as McKivitz leaves to be desired, we should all be happy they didn't give McGlinchey an extension


Yeah, McKivitz hasn't been great, but he's been serviceable. He does have a penchant for losing quickly, just like his predecessor, but he has been good enough. The interior has been the bigger issue IMO, at least until Feliciano started playing more.

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