Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24 – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET)

[Memokerobi]

If the Warriors season keeps going like this, any chance they trade Kuminga for say 2 1sts?

[165bows]

Brad will turn the 30th pick into 5 second rounders. You don't toss away 5 second rounders for nothing or worse, for Saddiq Bey.

Hawks pretty close to shut out of the 2025 draft and Celtics have what looks like a very plum second round choice that year. Might be too much for Bey but maybe he would do well here.

[cl2117]

If the Warriors season keeps going like this, any chance they trade Kuminga for say 2 1sts?

Wouldn't make any sense. He's cost controlled on the last year of his rookie deal. They'll let Klay walk and then look to give Kuminga, Podz and TJD bigger roles as they try to squeeze the last bit out of their dynasty run.

Besides they'd certainly not do it for our first rounds picks. Unfortunately we're so good and lined up well for the future that we're essentially offering high 2nds rather than real firsts. There's no upside there even with them being unprotected.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

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Not gonna lie, I think Brad knows that he may have cost the Celtics a championship last season by not using the Fournier TPE. Seems like he doesn't want to make that mistake again - and perhaps now has more of a green light than ever to make a move to put us over the top.

I think you might be over analyzing this. He's just managing the egos of the players on the roster. It's much cleaner for the team chemistry to say he'll add to the team via a TPE than say "yeah we are looking to ship some guys out to bring in some new player(s)".

[fallguy]

If anything cost us a title last year it was Jaylen.

[Memokerobi]

If anything cost us a title last year it was Jaylen.

Jaylen cost us game 7, getting collectively punked by Miami for the first three games did not help

[Dogen]

Optics would be horrible, but Miles Bridges salary would fit in perfectly as a rental as well as give tatum and porzingis some rest at the 4.

No thanks

I don't really care about optics, but chemistry is important, and after watching Brad today I would say this is the type of move he would not make at this juncture. We'd have to give up 3-4 bench players to make it work, and the consequence could be disruptive.

[Hal14]

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Not gonna lie, I think Brad knows that he may have cost the Celtics a championship last season by not using the Fournier TPE. Seems like he doesn't want to make that mistake again - and perhaps now has more of a green light than ever to make a move to put us over the top.

I think you might be over analyzing this. He's just managing the egos of the players on the roster. It's much cleaner for the team chemistry to say he'll add to the team via a TPE than say "yeah we are looking to ship some guys out to bring in some new player(s)".

IDK, maybe.

It just seems like last year Brad kept downplaying the Fournier TPE. Seemed like he kept hinting in the media that we weren't gonna use it.

But now this report indicates that Brad says "the number 1 tool we have is the TPE"...interesting contrast..

[Dogen]

Maybe we can get Rubio.

Looks like his NBA days are done for now.

He needs to take care of himself, we can wish him well to get healthy and maybe he'll make a comeback.

[Hal14]

For a potential 9th or even 10th guy on the rotation, playoff experience is overrated imo.

Payton II and Braun had zero playoff experience as 8th men on title teams playoff rotation. Portis had logged just over 100 playoff minutes before becoming the Bucks title team 7th man.

Top 6 should carry. 7th to 9th guys just need to not stink so bad in their limited minutes to get in the way of winning.

Yeah but each of those guys was the *only* member of their team's 8 man playoff rotation who was not a proven playoff performer.

The Celtics right now have *two* of our top 8 guys who are not proven playoff performers. No team that I'm aware of in recent memory has won a title w/ 2 of their top 8 guys who were not already proven playoff performers.


Also, the warriors core had already won 3 titles together so they could afford to have 1 guy in the rotation (Payton II) with no playoff experience. Braun was only a rookie last yr but he won an NCAA title the year before that and he won a state title in each of his last 3 yrs of HS ball.

Joe didn't really have confidence in playing Hauser or Pritchard in the playoffs last year. I don't think it's that crazy to think that if we trade for someone, perhaps you trade for a guy who is a proven playoff performer (like OPJ for example) who could possibly slide in as an 8th (or even 7th) man in a playoff series, if need be.

If we're gonna add another weapon, why not add a sharper one?

In the playoffs (especially the deeper playoff rounds) the lights are brighter, there's more pressure, tougher competition. Not all guys can handle it. If we're gonna add somebody, why not add someone who's already proven they can handle it?

In a short playoff series, we don't want to really too much on 3 pt shooting. There's too much variance with it, it's less of a sure thing - you leave your playoff chances to shooting luck. Hauser and Pritchard score basically all of their baskets from 3. Most of their value is tied to their 3 pt shots going in. If they go cold in a playoff series, then what?

By adding someone who has already proven themselves in the playoffs - you have less of that risk.

[zoyathedestroya]

For a potential 9th or even 10th guy on the rotation, playoff experience is overrated imo.

Payton II and Braun had zero playoff experience as 8th men on title teams playoff rotation. Portis had logged just over 100 playoff minutes before becoming the Bucks title team 7th man.

Top 6 should carry. 7th to 9th guys just need to not stink so bad in their limited minutes to get in the way of winning.

Yeah but each of those guys was the *only* member of their team's 8 man playoff rotation who was not a proven playoff performer.

The Celtics right now have *two* of our top 8 guys who are not proven playoff performers. No team that I'm aware of in recent memory has won a title w/ 2 of their top 8 guys who were not already proven playoff performers.

Joe didn't really have confidence in playing Hauser or Pritchard in the playoffs last year. I don't think it's that crazy to think that if we trade for someone, perhaps you trade for a guy who is a proven playoff performer (like OPJ for example) who could possibly slide in as an 8th (or even 7th) man in a playoff series, if need be.

If we're gonna add another weapon, why not add a sharper one?

In the playoffs (especially the deeper playoff rounds) the lights are brighter, there's more pressure, tougher competition. Not all guys can handle it. If we're gonna add somebody, why not add someone who's already proven they can handle it?

In a short playoff series, we don't want to really too much on 3 pt shooting. There's too much variance with it, it's less of a sure thing - you leave your playoff chances to shooting luck. Hauser and Pritchard score basically all of their baskets from 3. Most of their value is tied to their 3 pt shots going in. If they go cold in a playoff series, then what?

By adding someone who has already proven themselves in the playoffs - you have less of that risk.

Funny how you don’t think Pritchard has enough playoff experience now when it doesn’t support your current argument. Pretty sure you pointed out at least once in the past that he even has Finals experience. Makes him the 7th guy, with more experience than Portis when they won the title.

I’m all for adding a vet but fit and skill are higher priorities. Playoff experience is nice-to-have but we have six with extensive playoff experience eating about 85-90% of the PT. And a 7th who’s gone to the Finals. Pritchard didn’t play much last season because we had Brogdon, not because of some perceived lack of trust or confidence by Joe. If we bring in someone, it should be a better fit or bring a skill of added value compared to PP and Hauser, regardless of experience.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

I'm sold
On Fontecchio being a very good addition to the Celtics, might be the best 3-pointer shooting addition that they could get in the NBA but Ainge won't exchange him for a reasonable price .

[BK_2020]

If anything cost us a title last year it was Jaylen.

Jaylen cost us game 7, getting collectively punked by Miami for the first three games did not help

Game 1
Tatum - 30 on .687 TS%
Smart - 13 and 11 assists on .618 TS%
White - 11 on .917 TS%
Brogdon - 19 on .586 TS%
Timelord - 14 on .956 TS%

Jaylen Brown - 22 on .503 TS%
Horford - 7 on .438 TS%

Team TS% = .619
Team TS% minus Jaylen Brown = .654

Game 2
Tatum - 34 on .672 TS%
Smart - 7-4-3 on .593 TS%
Brogdon - 13 on .604 TS%
White - 11 on .917 TS%
Timelord - 13 on .961 TS%

Jaylen Brown - 16 on .335 TS%
Horford - 2 on .200 TS%

Team TS% = .586
Team TS% minus Jaylen Brown = .678

[BK_2020]

We would've scored 125 and 126 in games 1 and 2 of the ECF if team TS% was TS% minus Brown, not TS% with Brown.

[BK_2020]

Let it not be forgotten either that in must-win game 4 Jaylen Brown scored 16 points on 17 shots and 5 free throws.

[165bows]

This is Brad speak for “if I had a couple junk contracts I’d be four crappy draft picks and a 2039 first round swap deep into landing some boring but low key effective role player that I’ve had a crush on since 2011 like Dorian Finney-Smith but I don’t so don’t get your hopes up since anyone I can fit inside these CBA rules is a total poser.”

[ConstableGeneva]

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Gun to my head, probably Craig?? But is he that significant of an upgrade over Brissett?

[ConstableGeneva]

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[Curmudgeon]

Meh. This thread won't get interesting until after July 1, 2024.

[Hal14]

If the Warriors season keeps going like this, any chance they trade Kuminga for say 2 1sts?

Nah. He's on a cheap rookie deal. And he's one of the young guys they are holding on to so they have some decent players left over once steph/klay/draymond retire (or leave as free agents or get traded).

And this might be the last season they have that core together that has won 4 titles, so even if they are lower in the standings, I figure they will be buyers (rather than sellers) at the deadline to try and go for it one more time..

Also, 2 1st rounders would probably be too much to give up for a guy like Kuminga.