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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#61 » by HumbleRen » Sun Jan 7, 2024 5:38 pm

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TorontoRapsFan wrote:Can someone explain why Podz is being treated like such a great prospect? If it's his 3p fg%, he attempts 3 shots a game, probably all of them wide open cause he plays with Steph and Klay.

Is there anything to his game other than this shooting streak that makes him special?


Rookies who contribute to competent basketball is a clear sign that they’ll be good in the future. He’s not untouchable but he’s clearly a good prospect.


But it seems to be pretty easy for guards to get 10-12 ppg off wide open shots and a few makes at the rim. Especially non starters. Doesn't mean they'll ever be more than that.


I mean is it ? We went 3 years without a competent guard outside of FVV. :lol:
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Post#62 » by LoveMyRaps » Sun Jan 7, 2024 5:39 pm

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So another credible report which suggests Pascal's unwillingness to commit to a team right now is what's preventing a trade from materializing right now. The Warriors seem to be okay with giving up Kuminga but they're unsure whether Pascal would re-sign.
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Post#64 » by ArthurVandelay » Sun Jan 7, 2024 5:40 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:Masai got NY and Indiana to battle for OG.

I know OG has the CAA connection to NY but Indiana still had a real threat to retain him if they traded for him and got his bird rights. NY gave up what they did to get his bird rights and secured him. But it was fair game between the two teams.

Masai needs to find at least 2 teams for Siakam willing to take a risk on him and run up the price. In the end I think its going to be difficult to find teams willing to give up significant assets hoping Siakam will stay. Possibly GS since they are desperate.

Theres gotta be some back chanelling going on with teams and siakam's reps else i just think we extend him and punt the decision for a later date


The lack of cooperation on Siakam’s side leads me to believe it’s Philly…or any other team with max cap space.

The only hope is a team comes willing to offer 5/250 or they look at as an expiring that could clear their books if he left or pure desperation

Otherwise, he seems content to pick his team at 4/183 this summer
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#65 » by YogurtProducer » Sun Jan 7, 2024 5:43 pm

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TorontoRapsFan wrote:Can someone explain why Podz is being treated like such a great prospect? If it's his 3p fg%, he attempts 3 shots a game, probably all of them wide open cause he plays with Steph and Klay.

Is there anything to his game other than this shooting streak that makes him special?


Rookies who contribute to competent basketball is a clear sign that they’ll be good in the future. He’s not untouchable but he’s clearly a good prospect.


But it seems to be pretty easy for guards to get 10-12 ppg off wide open shots and a few makes at the rim. Especially non starters. Doesn't mean they'll ever be more than that.

If you are not impressed by Podz, you likely are never gonna be that excited about prospects outside generational talents.

And FWIW - playing next to a guy like Scottie is also gonna get you a bunch of wide open 3s
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#66 » by YogurtProducer » Sun Jan 7, 2024 5:45 pm

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No deal.
I don’t want Siakim that much.
I think Porter has declined from the guy Warriors had in 2022 so Porter does not help much.

Because Draymond and Siakim are both power forwards I don’t think Siakim is a good fit with the Warriors.

But I do want Dejounte Murray.
Hawks do want Siskim if his contract is extended.
Hawks don’t think Siakim wants the Hawks.

Both Hawks and Raptors say they want players not draft picks because they both claim that they are too good to be rebuilding teams. I want the Warriors to win a champion now because I think the Warriors will be too old to win championships after this season.

If the Warriors lose Klay or if Klay does not play well the Warriors are not winning a championship even with Siakim or Dejounte Murray added to the team.

In my opinion Kuminga has a 50% chance of being as good as Siskin is now in 2 years.

So my trade checker approved trade:

Too the Raptors
Kuminga
2 Warriors 1st round picks
2 Hawks 2nd round picks
Chris Paul’s expiring contract
Patty Mills filler contract. You can cut him.

To the Hawks
Extended Siakim
Moses Moody (to replace Murray)

To the Warriors
DeJounte Murray
Otto Porter
Porter may not play for the Warriors but somebody has to replace Kuminga. Warriors can turn to Porter Wiggins Garuba or Trayce Jackson Davis to replace Kuminga.


Kuminga has less than a 5% chance to be as good as Siakam in two years and less than 15% to ever be as good as Siakam.

Ok c'mon even Pascal Siakam wasn't the Pascal we know now until the age of 25. He wasn't even half that player at the same age Kuminga is right now.

That is very true.

However a very small % of players ever get as Siakam got/is. A dude who made multiple all-nba teams is in the top 1% of NBA players to ever play.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#67 » by Raps in 4 » Sun Jan 7, 2024 5:47 pm

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They're average age is like 40 and they were hot garbage the season prior, but they're going to waste another season evaluating. Lol.
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Post#68 » by Raptorfan2012 » Sun Jan 7, 2024 5:48 pm

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Post#69 » by Prestige » Sun Jan 7, 2024 5:50 pm

People are assuming Siakam will re-sign. What if he is willing to take less money from a contender to screw over the Raptors? You can't take the risk of letting this get to free agency, he needs to be traded for the best offer before the deadline.
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Post#70 » by WuTang_CMB » Sun Jan 7, 2024 5:54 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:Masai got NY and Indiana to battle for OG.

I know OG has the CAA connection to NY but Indiana still had a real threat to retain him if they traded for him and got his bird rights. NY gave up what they did to get his bird rights and secured him. But it was fair game between the two teams.

Masai needs to find at least 2 teams for Siakam willing to take a risk on him and run up the price. In the end I think its going to be difficult to find teams willing to give up significant assets hoping Siakam will stay. Possibly GS since they are desperate.

Theres gotta be some back chanelling going on with teams and siakam's reps else i just think we extend him and punt the decision for a later date


The lack of cooperation on Siakam’s side leads me to believe it’s Philly…or any other team with max cap space.

The only hope is a team comes willing to offer 5/250 or they look at as an expiring that could clear their books if he left or pure desperation

Otherwise, he seems content to pick his team at 4/183 this summer


Philly will 100% offer him a deal June 30. They are getting an asset for free and getting better. Will he go there, who knows.

This Siakam situation is complex because he's saying no to everything and willing to wait until FA. That will impact the offers for him which sucks.
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Post#71 » by Hero_Panda » Sun Jan 7, 2024 5:54 pm

PRESTIGE wrote:People are assuming Siakam will re-sign. What if he is willing to take less money from a contender to screw over the Raptors? You can't take the risk of letting this get to free agency, he needs to be traded for the best offer before the deadline.


Doesn't help the fact that the "he won't re-sign if traded" reports are tremendously hurting his value. Siakam would've been in another right uniform now if such statements were not put out there.

Respect for Siakam has tremendously plummeted for myself, especially after all the organization has done for him.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#72 » by ItsDanger » Sun Jan 7, 2024 5:55 pm

alpngso wrote:
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Article references Grange, so not unique opinion.

Keep vets, they decline/retire, your core is now Kuminga/Moody/Podz?

You have to be joking that this is their grand plan. Go all in with Steph, figure out the rest later.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread 

Post#73 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Sun Jan 7, 2024 5:58 pm

ash_k wrote:
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ash_k wrote:With Pascal, on Day 1, the Draymonds and them would have the utmost respect for him, having being torched by him at the highest level of the NBA.
The Draymonds and them cannot afford on their watch to discover if DeJounte can handle the playoff pressure of big games: That concern would not exist with Pascal. That would be Pascal's key value over anyone they could acquire.

Pascal would give GSW much more versatility on both ends with the ability to go very big at times.

The thing about the contract gets overblown, money will always talk: He has no kids yet nor a Canadian wife in Toronto and his mother is in Houston, TX. Do you think if he gets traded to the Rockets, he would say "Toronto only"?!

He just wants to win like he keeps saying and being a Warrior would almost guarantee a chance to another LOB or two


I think Dejounte Murray is a better fit for the Warriors.


There are not enough power forward minutes for both Draymond and Siakam. How good would Siakam be at small forward and center? How good of a job would Siakam do defending Tatum?

You are thinking the "J-Poole" fit here ?
Pascal is essentially a versatile Small Forward playing power forward: We have known him as an elite defender able to cover prime Westbrook and then his defense dropped off when he became our number 1 option. With less responsibilities offensively, he should be able to raise back that defense of his.
Right now, there is an opportunity to have Draymond come off the bench with a player like Pascal taking his place in the starting lineup: Again the level of respect would be there to accept this kind of change .
Then a new Death lineup to close the game out with Dray and Pascal


If Siakam can defend small forwards as well as Wiggins did in 2022 then maybe I want both Siakam and Murray. Send Canadian Wiggins as the big salary to Toronto and send Chris Paul as the big salary to Atlanta.

Send Kuminga to Toronto and Moody to Atlanta.
Warriors can’t send out more players without destroying their depth.

But I would like the Warriors to be willing to send out 6 1st round draft picks to get both Siakam and Murray.

But both the Hawks and Raptors claim they want players not draft picks. With Steph, Klay and Dray retired I am talking about lottery picks and years of the Warriors being the worst team in the NBA in exchange for 1 or 2 more championships for Curry. Not every Warrior fan agrees with me that the possible championship is worth the price.

Since Hawks and Raptors want players I need to find a couple more teams that want Warriors draft picks and are willing to send players to Raptors and Hawks.
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Post#74 » by Rapsfan07 » Sun Jan 7, 2024 5:58 pm

PRESTIGE wrote:People are assuming Siakam will re-sign. What if he is willing to take less money from a contender to screw over the Raptors? You can't take the risk of letting this get to free agency, he needs to be traded for the best offer before the deadline.


Yeah that's been my stance as well.

If Siakam was serious about just his money, he would give us a list of teams and maybe we might have to take back some things we don't like but that's the cost of waiting too long to pick a direction. A lot of us were clamoring to have this resolved last year but of course - Masai and Co. have a love affair with kicking cans down the road so now here we are.

The teams that have capspace in the summer are the same teams that have expirings now. If we traded him to his preferred destination and got back only expirings and picks, that's far better than the alternative - which is paying him 5yrs/$260M or letting him walk somewhere else for free. We are DEFINITELY a treadmiller if we do that, seeing as that deal is going to be next to impossible to move and we can't afford to let our best player walk for nothing.

What a mess this front office has created man. And so easily avoidable too.
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Post#75 » by HumbleRen » Sun Jan 7, 2024 6:02 pm

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PRESTIGE wrote:People are assuming Siakam will re-sign. What if he is willing to take less money from a contender to screw over the Raptors? You can't take the risk of letting this get to free agency, he needs to be traded for the best offer before the deadline.


Doesn't help the fact that the "he won't re-sign if traded" reports are tremendously hurting his value. Siakam would've been in another right uniform now if such statements were not put out there.

Respect for Siakam has tremendously plummeted for myself, especially after all the organization has done for him.


It sucks that he’s screwing us over but that’s his right. Masai has been playing with his name for the last 3 years.
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Post#76 » by ash_k » Sun Jan 7, 2024 6:03 pm

PRESTIGE wrote:People are assuming Siakam will re-sign. What if he is willing to take less money from a contender to screw over the Raptors? You can't take the risk of letting this get to free agency, he needs to be traded for the best offer before the deadline.

Name one top NBA player that did that in the last 20 years (take less money)? Masai is the same person that gave him his current max deal. This is business, "just" negotiation tactics from everyone right now.
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Post#77 » by Hero_Panda » Sun Jan 7, 2024 6:06 pm

HumbleRen wrote:It sucks that he’s screwing us over but that’s his right. Masai has been playing with his name for the last 3 years.


"that's his right".

Masai and co. have also given him the confidence of being the starting PF of a championship team, has been patient with him throughout his development process, took a flyer on him with the 27th pick, put him in a position to earn max contracts, etc.

But hey, all that good stuff is moot because his name has been rumoured in trade talks because he has proven he's more of a Robin than a Batman, even though there were times when Pascal was almost untouchable in Masai's eyes.

I don't have much respect who have a lack of gratitude for those who have helped them get to where they are now.
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Post#78 » by ArthurVandelay » Sun Jan 7, 2024 6:07 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
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WuTang_OG wrote:Masai got NY and Indiana to battle for OG.

I know OG has the CAA connection to NY but Indiana still had a real threat to retain him if they traded for him and got his bird rights. NY gave up what they did to get his bird rights and secured him. But it was fair game between the two teams.

Masai needs to find at least 2 teams for Siakam willing to take a risk on him and run up the price. In the end I think its going to be difficult to find teams willing to give up significant assets hoping Siakam will stay. Possibly GS since they are desperate.

Theres gotta be some back chanelling going on with teams and siakam's reps else i just think we extend him and punt the decision for a later date


The lack of cooperation on Siakam’s side leads me to believe it’s Philly…or any other team with max cap space.

The only hope is a team comes willing to offer 5/250 or they look at as an expiring that could clear their books if he left or pure desperation

Otherwise, he seems content to pick his team at 4/183 this summer


Philly will 100% offer him a deal June 30. They are getting an asset for free and getting better. Will he go there, who knows.

This Siakam situation is complex because he's saying no to everything and willing to wait until FA. That will impact the offers for him which sucks.


That’s my point.

He’s not playing ball with Masai because he knows he can get to where he wants this summer.
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Post#79 » by KL78192020 » Sun Jan 7, 2024 6:07 pm

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sbsat wrote:The market for pascal seems extremely thin unfortunately


Nah, they're just being cheap asf


The issue is he won't agree to extend with anyone ahead of time, whereas OG probably had a wink wink deal with the Knicks as the Knicks GM's son is his agent.
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Post#80 » by HumbleRen » Sun Jan 7, 2024 6:09 pm

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HumbleRen wrote:It sucks that he’s screwing us over but that’s his right. Masai has been playing with his name for the last 3 years.


"that's his right".

Masai and co. have also given him the confidence of being the starting PF of a championship team, has been patient with him throughout his development process, took a flyer on him with the 27th pick, put him in a position to earn max contracts, etc.

But hey, all that good stuff is moot because his name has been rumoured in trade talks because he has proven he's more of a Robin than a Batman, even though there were times when Pascal was almost untouchable in Masai's eyes.

I don't have much respect who have a lack of gratitude for those who have helped them get to where they are now.


Doesn’t matter that you gave him his money.

If you don’t trade an asset when you have the leverage, you cannot be shocked that when said asset gains some leverage, they decide to use it.

That’s called bad asset management.

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