Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[Public_Enemy101]

Masai needs to sit Pascal and his agent’s asses down and tell them you either sign our low ball extension offer with the intent that you’ll be traded shortly after or just ship him out by February. There’s NO max deal ever happening so make up your mind.

I prefer that at this point you take whatever breadcrumbs you can get because it seems his side, whether warranted or not isn’t budging on committing anywhere, including TOR, which is holding the organization back.

[Hero_Panda]

It sucks that he’s screwing us over but that’s his right. Masai has been playing with his name for the last 3 years.

"that's his right".

Masai and co. have also given him the confidence of being the starting PF of a championship team, has been patient with him throughout his development process, took a flyer on him with the 27th pick, put him in a position to earn max contracts, etc.

But hey, all that good stuff is moot because his name has been rumoured in trade talks because he has proven he's more of a Robin than a Batman, even though there were times when Pascal was almost untouchable in Masai's eyes.

I don't have much respect who have a lack of gratitude for those who have helped them get to where they are now.

Doesn’t matter that you gave him his money.

If you don’t trade an asset when you have the leverage, you cannot be shocked that when said asset gains some leverage, they decide to use it.

That’s called bad asset management.

Completely ignoring my point, but I get it.

[Hero_Panda]

Masai needs to sit Pascal and his agent’s asses down and tell them you either sign our low ball extension offer with the intent that you’ll be traded shortly after or just ship him out by February. There’s NO max deal ever happening so make up your mind.

I prefer that at this point you take whatever breadcrumbs you can get because it seems his side, whether warranted or not isn’t budging on committing anywhere, including TOR, which is holding the organization back.

It's times like this where I'm glad Masai has the patience that he has because I would've shipped Pascal's ass out of here just because his camp is being too detrimental to the organization right now.

[Public_Enemy101]

Masai needs to sit Pascal and his agent’s asses down and tell them you either sign our low ball extension offer with the intent that you’ll be traded shortly after or just ship him out by February. There’s NO max deal ever happening so make up your mind.

I prefer that at this point you take whatever breadcrumbs you can get because it seems his side, whether warranted or not isn’t budging on committing anywhere, including TOR, which is holding the organization back.

It's times like this where I'm glad Masai has the patience that he has because I would've shipped Pascal's out of here just because his camp is being too detrimental to the organization right now.

LOL same, assuming those rumours were true. Who knows, but somebody is clearly not acting in good faith here.

[WuTang_CMB]

The lack of cooperation on Siakam’s side leads me to believe it’s Philly…or any other team with max cap space.

The only hope is a team comes willing to offer 5/250 or they look at as an expiring that could clear their books if he left or pure desperation

Otherwise, he seems content to pick his team at 4/183 this summer

Philly will 100% offer him a deal June 30. They are getting an asset for free and getting better. Will he go there, who knows.

This Siakam situation is complex because he's saying no to everything and willing to wait until FA. That will impact the offers for him which sucks.

That’s my point.

He’s not playing ball with Masai because he knows he can get to where he wants this summer.

He has every right to become a UFA and explore. It's going to be tough to find a team willing to take a risk on him and get back a package we want.

[KL78192020]

Masai needs to sit Pascal and his agent’s asses down and tell them you either sign our low ball extension offer with the intent that you’ll be traded shortly after or just ship him out by February. There’s NO max deal ever happening so make up your mind.

I prefer that at this point you take whatever breadcrumbs you can get because it seems his side, whether warranted or not isn’t budging on committing anywhere, including TOR, which is holding the organization back.

Thats a pretty terrible way to go about things. They will just explore free agency. Siakam will easily get a 4 year max deal from another team.

[DG88]

Here are my ideas with each rumoured team, i have a hard time seeing Masai taking picks + expirings based off the fact all indications have lead us to believe he values young players over those assets.

1. Indiana:
- Buddy Hield + Jarace Walker + Jalen Smith + 1st Rounder for Pascal Siakam
*Thad Young/OPJ waived post trade

Raptors get Walker as the prize in this deal but Jalen Smith is kind of interesting as well. Pacers replace Smith in their starting lineup with Pascal without touching any other major rotational pieces (if they would prefer, i would also swap out Hield for Brown and remove the 1st to include Nembhard but i suspect this trade would be their preference).

2. Golden State:
- Chris Paul + Jonathan Kuminga + Moses Moody for Pascal Siakam + Garrett Temple

Raptors get 2 young pieces, can waive CP3 post trade as his contract is not fully guaranteed next year. Inclusion of Temple helps the Raptors stay below tax post trade and saves GSW some luxury tax dollars without impacting their cap next year.

3. Dallas:
- Max Kleber + Richaun Holmes + Dereck Lively + Josh Green for Pascal Siakam + Christian Koloko
* Thad Young/OPJ waived post trade

Raptors get 2 pieces in Lively and Green. The only way i see a Dallas trade working is if Lively is the centrepiece. There is nothing else that i see being remotely interesting (Green + picks doesnt do it for me). I understand if the Mavs dont trade him but much like Sacramento, without that piece, their offer doesnt get it done (IMO). I value Keegan Murray higher than Lively though.

4. Detroit
- Joe Harris + James Wiseman + Ausar Thompson for Pascal Siakam + Otto Porter Jr

I dont understand why Detroit is in these talks but the only way i see it working is with Thompson coming back. Pistons arent trading their 1st. We arent getting Duren and i like a Duren/Siakam pairing TBH.

There could be some other team that comes into the picture (Houston/Miami/etc) but just based off the rumours of teams interested this is what i could see happening.

Out of all those deals, Indiana's makes the most sense to complete the roster with a young piece with upside in Jarace Walker along with 2 rotation pieces that can help right now. The 1st could be this year's, probably the less favourable pick out of their 2 firsts.

Quickley/Schroder
Barnes/Trent Jr
Barrett/Hield or Brown/Dick
Smith/Walker/McDaniels
Jakob/Boucher/Koloko

We shore up the defense a bit and add more shooting.

[ash_k]

I think Dejounte Murray is a better fit for the Warriors.


There are not enough power forward minutes for both Draymond and Siakam. How good would Siakam be at small forward and center? How good of a job would Siakam do defending Tatum?

You are thinking the "J-Poole" fit here ?
Pascal is essentially a versatile Small Forward playing power forward: We have known him as an elite defender able to cover prime Westbrook and then his defense dropped off when he became our number 1 option. With less responsibilities offensively, he should be able to raise back that defense of his.
Right now, there is an opportunity to have Draymond come off the bench with a player like Pascal taking his place in the starting lineup: Again the level of respect would be there to accept this kind of change .
Then a new Death lineup to close the game out with Dray and Pascal

If Siakam can defend small forwards as well as Wiggins did in 2022 then maybe I want both Siakam and Murray. Send Canadian Wiggins as the big salary to Toronto and send Chris Paul as the big salary to Atlanta.

Send Kuminga to Toronto and Moody to Atlanta.
Warriors can’t send out more players without destroying their depth.

But I would like the Warriors to be willing to send out 6 1st round draft picks to get both Siakam and Murray.

But both the Hawks and Raptors claim they want players not draft picks. With Steph, Klay and Dray retired I am talking about lottery picks and years of the Warriors being the worst team in the NBA in exchange for 1 or 2 more championships for Curry. Not every Warrior fan agrees with me that the possible championship is worth the price.

Since Hawks and Raptors want players I need to find a couple more teams that want Warriors draft picks and are willing to send players to Raptors and Hawks.

You would keep Wiggins. You don't trade for Pascal to play him Small forward full-time(though he physically could).
The new Death lineup of Curry-Klay-Wiggins-Pascal-Dray would look absolutely deadly against any team.

I agree with you, winning is way too difficult to think 5 years down the road: You have to squeeze every "ring" out of Curry right now ! Trade all the picks necessary as this kind of winning won't happen again for a generation(if lucky?!).

[RealityIsDemar]

Masai needs to sit Pascal and his agent’s asses down and tell them you either sign our low ball extension offer with the intent that you’ll be traded shortly after or just ship him out by February. There’s NO max deal ever happening so make up your mind.

I prefer that at this point you take whatever breadcrumbs you can get because it seems his side, whether warranted or not isn’t budging on committing anywhere, including TOR, which is holding the organization back.

It's times like this where I'm glad Masai has the patience that he has because I would've shipped Pascal's ass out of here just because his camp is being too detrimental to the organization right now.

Cmon now. We shouldn’t be doing this. Homegrown star, MIP, NBA and G league Champion. Wants to stay and be the guy in Toronto.

Saying he would rather test the market to find the best deal & environment to play in (which he has every right to do) rather than agreeing to shackle up on a team he’ll be moved to is.. “too detrimental to the team”


Oooookay. Woof.

[KL78192020]

"that's his right".

Masai and co. have also given him the confidence of being the starting PF of a championship team, has been patient with him throughout his development process, took a flyer on him with the 27th pick, put him in a position to earn max contracts, etc.

But hey, all that good stuff is moot because his name has been rumoured in trade talks because he has proven he's more of a Robin than a Batman, even though there were times when Pascal was almost untouchable in Masai's eyes.

I don't have much respect who have a lack of gratitude for those who have helped them get to where they are now.

Doesn’t matter that you gave him his money.

If you don’t trade an asset when you have the leverage, you cannot be shocked that when said asset gains some leverage, they decide to use it.

That’s called bad asset management.

Completely ignoring my point, but I get it.

Its a cut throat business, he doesn't have to show anything to Masai. He helped them win a chip, thats its. Masai shipped out Demar and JV the second he could to improve the team no f's given.

Teams have no loyalty to players and neither should players to teams.

[manjusaka]

Masai needs to sit Pascal and his agent’s asses down and tell them you either sign our low ball extension offer with the intent that you’ll be traded shortly after or just ship him out by February. There’s NO max deal ever happening so make up your mind.

I prefer that at this point you take whatever breadcrumbs you can get because it seems his side, whether warranted or not isn’t budging on committing anywhere, including TOR, which is holding the organization back.

It's times like this where I'm glad Masai has the patience that he has because I would've shipped Pascal's ass out of here just because his camp is being too detrimental to the organization right now.

Cmon now. We shouldn’t be doing this. Homegrown star, MIP, NBA and G league Champion. Wants to stay and be the guy in Toronto.

Saying he would rather test the market to find the best deal & environment to play in (which he has every right to do) rather than agreeing to shackle up on a team he’ll be moved to is.. “too detrimental to the team”


Oooookay. Woof.

At this point I don’t really believe he wants to come back. It is quite obvious he just wants the max money and test the FA to see if he can get something like what FVV got, or maybe even more.

[Hero_Panda]

At this point I don’t really believe he wants to come back. It is quite obvious he just wants the max money and test the FA to see if he can get something like what FVV got, or maybe even more.

At this point he has completely checked out of the team and is in it for himself.

This is why I can't be too hard on Darko and the team's defensive woes because it was pretty evident that out of the team's best 3 defenders of Scottie/OG/Siakam (prior to trade of course), Scottie was the only one giving an eff defensively. He's had his lapses here and there, but he's tried alot more than the 2 mentioned.

[KL78192020]

It's times like this where I'm glad Masai has the patience that he has because I would've shipped Pascal's ass out of here just because his camp is being too detrimental to the organization right now.

Cmon now. We shouldn’t be doing this. Homegrown star, MIP, NBA and G league Champion. Wants to stay and be the guy in Toronto.

Saying he would rather test the market to find the best deal & environment to play in (which he has every right to do) rather than agreeing to shackle up on a team he’ll be moved to is.. “too detrimental to the team”


Oooookay. Woof.

At this point I don’t really believe he wants to come back. It is quite obvious he just wants the max money and test the FA to see if he can get something like what FVV got, or maybe even more.

He would easily get a max, Sixers/Pistons would throw their cap space at him. Sixers would be a great fit, he can reunite with coach Nurse. Had his best years with him.

[SpezNc]

People are assuming Siakam will re-sign. What if he is willing to take less money from a contender to screw over the Raptors? You can't take the risk of letting this get to free agency, he needs to be traded for the best offer before the deadline.

I agree we need to move him. I wondering if the distractions are getting toxic for the culture. The fact that he is reluctant to plays ball is a red flag.

I am not saying here it’s a deal you would accept because I know that some will prefer we extend if there is no market out there. But let’s assume that he is traded, no extension is possible and we are getting low ball big time by teams because Siakam continue to plays the hard ball and won’tcommit. And no teams are willing to give a bluechip asset. And we are stuck with only bad offers.

What would be the worst package you think we can get and, I am trying to see here our WORST case scenario and then hopefully we can get more. Don’t tell me it’s trash. That is the point. I am trying to brace myself with what could be coming if Masai end up in the losing hand of the trade.

From all the teams Indiana is like the one that makes the more sense to me. So many options to build a package.

See here

Hield, Toppins, Smith and a future protected 1st pick for Siakam

How brutal would that be? Could we get worse than that? Do the floor is higher than that?

IMHO, if Mathurin and Or Walker can somehow be included by Indiana then you have no choice to pull the trigger.

[TorontoRapsFan]

Rookies who contribute to competent basketball is a clear sign that they’ll be good in the future. He’s not untouchable but he’s clearly a good prospect.

But it seems to be pretty easy for guards to get 10-12 ppg off wide open shots and a few makes at the rim. Especially non starters. Doesn't mean they'll ever be more than that.

I mean is it ? We went 3 years without a competent guard outside of FVV.

Wdym GTJ is a perfect example and he averaged 15+

what do you mean by competent?

[Mattatron]

Here are my ideas with each rumoured team, i have a hard time seeing Masai taking picks + expirings based off the fact all indications have lead us to believe he values young players over those assets.

1. Indiana:
- Buddy Hield + Jarace Walker + Jalen Smith + 1st Rounder for Pascal Siakam
*Thad Young/OPJ waived post trade

Raptors get Walker as the prize in this deal but Jalen Smith is kind of interesting as well. Pacers replace Smith in their starting lineup with Pascal without touching any other major rotational pieces (if they would prefer, i would also swap out Hield for Brown and remove the 1st to include Nembhard but i suspect this trade would be their preference).

2. Golden State:
- Chris Paul + Jonathan Kuminga + Moses Moody for Pascal Siakam + Garrett Temple

Raptors get 2 young pieces, can waive CP3 post trade as his contract is not fully guaranteed next year. Inclusion of Temple helps the Raptors stay below tax post trade and saves GSW some luxury tax dollars without impacting their cap next year.

3. Dallas:
- Max Kleber + Richaun Holmes + Dereck Lively + Josh Green for Pascal Siakam + Christian Koloko
* Thad Young/OPJ waived post trade

Raptors get 2 pieces in Lively and Green. The only way i see a Dallas trade working is if Lively is the centrepiece. There is nothing else that i see being remotely interesting (Green + picks doesnt do it for me). I understand if the Mavs dont trade him but much like Sacramento, without that piece, their offer doesnt get it done (IMO). I value Keegan Murray higher than Lively though.

4. Detroit
- Joe Harris + James Wiseman + Ausar Thompson for Pascal Siakam + Otto Porter Jr

I dont understand why Detroit is in these talks but the only way i see it working is with Thompson coming back. Pistons arent trading their 1st. We arent getting Duren and i like a Duren/Siakam pairing TBH.

There could be some other team that comes into the picture (Houston/Miami/etc) but just based off the rumours of teams interested this is what i could see happening.

Out of all those deals, Indiana's makes the most sense to complete the roster with a young piece with upside in Jarace Walker along with 2 rotation pieces that can help right now. The 1st could be this year's, probably the less favourable pick out of their 2 firsts.

Quickley/Schroder
Barnes/Trent Jr
Barrett/Hield or Brown/Dick
Smith/Walker/McDaniels
Jakob/Boucher/Koloko

We shore up the defense a bit and add more shooting.

Isaiah Jackson >>> Jalen Smith

[KL78192020]

But it seems to be pretty easy for guards to get 10-12 ppg off wide open shots and a few makes at the rim. Especially non starters. Doesn't mean they'll ever be more than that.

I mean is it ? We went 3 years without a competent guard outside of FVV.

Wdym GTJ is a perfect example and he averaged 15+

what do you mean by competent?

GTJ has been trash. Norm putting up a TS% of 65%. Meanwhile GTJ is at 51% lol should've kept norm if the goal was to win and not tank.

[RealityIsDemar]

At this point I don’t really believe he wants to come back. It is quite obvious he just wants the max money and test the FA to see if he can get something like what FVV got, or maybe even more.

At this point he has completely checked out of the team and is in it for himself.

This is why I can't be too hard on Darko and the team's defensive woes because it was pretty evident that out of the team's best 3 defenders of Scottie/OG/Siakam (prior to trade of course), Scottie was the only one giving an eff defensively. He's had his lapses here and there, but he's tried alot more than the 2 mentioned.

Are we watching the same games?

After all of this mess, constant rumours and seemingly poor treatment from our FO, Pascal had not been checked out, has not asked or leaked reports that he wants out, and seemingly is still willing to work with our FO.

I struggle to see how someone would view Pascals effort as checked out. That’s a pretty wild statement to make and not back it up at all.. OG was clearly checked out leading up to the trade.

Pascal just put up 18/4/9 with 2 steals and a block in a game where he was essentially c*cked by trade rumours to that team hours before tip. Not to mention putting up 24/7 and 36/5 after a clear reset /retool trade with reports that he’s next in line.

[Huffman]

Is there a deal with a team like Miami that Siakam may prefer being traded to?

Toronto got fair compensation from NY for OG because he advertised he was willing to go there, possibly for a discount. Often when high profile players are rumoured to be traded they provide a list of teams they will be willing to go to but it doesn't sound like either side has discussed this.

[ItsDanger]

Doesn't seem like any team is excited at the chance of acquiring Siakam, even at cheap rates.