Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[Tripod]

Some of y'all have gone crazy.

ADDING to Siakam to trade our All Star to get a guy who broke out to a 15 pt/game?

Keep our top scorer inside. Our top 5 are set. We have a very good PG and pf off the bench. Replace GTJ with one of those dime a dozen scoring guards people say are everywhere. Someone like Lonnie Walker....who makes 3 million this year. Give him McD's deal....5 mill a year x 2.

If we can't get a LEGIT guy with upside to be a 20 point guy AND more, keep the best player.

[tdotrep2]

If I understand this correctly, a team that trades for Siakam now can offer him more money than other teams in the offseason? If so I'm confident something happens come deadline.

[sackings916]

Apologies if this has already been discussed and I missed it, but word out of Sac is that the Raptors wanted Monk.

[Rapsfan07]

Dallas and Heat.

2 teams that:

a) confident that they can keep siakam. siakam lived in dallas / has family there / luka doncic. miami is miami.

b) would be aggressive enough with an offer because it helps elevate them in the conference

These are my two teams to watch for as well. Esp Dallas - they actually have a need for a PF and getting Pascal will elevate them to contender status. I am just not thrilled with what they have to offer... but if we need to make a deal to get something back for Pascal, I suppose it works.

Dallas has always been a a potential destination. They are and have been closer to the bottom of the list in terms of preferred suitors because they just don't have much to offer.

There's no doubt he would fit them like a glove though and Dallas is probably a contender after this move.

People blaming Siakam for not wanting to resign with teams he is traded to should instead blame Masai for not trading him prior to him becoming an expiring contract.

People blaming Siakam for not wanting to resign with teams he is traded to should instead blame Masai for not trading him prior to him becoming an expiring contract.

One billion percent on Masai. No questions about it.

[Parataxis]

If I understand this correctly, a team that trades for Siakam now can offer him more money than other teams in the offseason? If so I'm confident something happens come deadline.

Correct. They can offer an extra year and higher raises.

[Rapsfan07]

If I understand this correctly, a team that trades for Siakam now can offer him more money than other teams in the offseason? If so I'm confident something happens come deadline.

That's right. They can offer a 5th year and higher annual raises than a non-bird team can offer in free agency.

[aroc23]

Apologies if this has already been discussed and I missed it, but word out of Sac is that the Raptors wanted Monk.

The Kings don't even have Monk's full bird rights, so if the Raptors acquired him it would be a guaranteed rental unless they use cap space. Not ideal.

[aroc23]

Unless these teams get serious I would resign Pascal and shop him when he becomes trade eligible. Teams like the Mavericks, Hawks and Kings do not have the assets to make this trade unless they are willing to include their young chip (Lively, J-Johnson and Murray), and it sounds like they are unwilling.

The front office has sent a clear message; they want young talent to build around Scottie rather than picks that do not convey until 2026-2030. I like that approach as those picks sometimes end up being worthless, and by the time they convey Scottie might have bounced already because they failed to put a proper team around him.

To me a deal needs to get done with the Pacers or Warriors and they need to put their young chips in or there is no deal. I would rather hang onto Pascal than trade him for just Jarace Walker or Kuminga plus filler. Get Mathurin and Walker + picks or Kuminga and Moody and Podz or TJD + picks or roll the dice and resign Pascal.

[baller16]

Some of y'all have gone crazy.

ADDING to Siakam to trade our All Star to get a guy who broke out to a 15 pt/game?

Keep our top scorer inside. Our top 5 are set. We have a very good PG and pf off the bench. Replace GTJ with one of those dime a dozen scoring guards people say are everywhere. Someone like Lonnie Walker....who makes 3 million this year. Give him McD's deal....5 mill a year x 2.

If we can't get a LEGIT guy with upside to be a 20 point guy AND more, keep the best player.

Well signing Siakam to the max and then Quickley at 25/yr, we become a luxury tax paying team and no way in hell is MSLE going to agree to it. Probably the only reason why the FO wants to dump him tbh

[DreamTeam09]

Some of y'all have gone crazy.

ADDING to Siakam to trade our All Star to get a guy who broke out to a 15 pt/game?

Keep our top scorer inside. Our top 5 are set. We have a very good PG and pf off the bench. Replace GTJ with one of those dime a dozen scoring guards people say are everywhere. Someone like Lonnie Walker....who makes 3 million this year. Give him McD's deal....5 mill a year x 2.

If we can't get a LEGIT guy with upside to be a 20 point guy AND more, keep the best player.

Well signing Siakam to the max and then Quickley at 25/yr, we become a luxury tax paying team and no way in hell is MSLE going to agree to it. Probably the only reason why the FO wants to dump him tbh

We wouldn't be in the tax next year with those #s

[RealityIsDemar]

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Fk Pascal's camp.
They're screwing this FO over.
Just give us a list of teams you want to play for man, why make life so difficult?

I don’t know when this became a hot take but I find this to be this is such a privileged and whiney stance to take.

Why are you surprised that an impending free agent would rather test unrestricted free agency (where he can go wherever he pleases and field multiple competitive offers) rather than resigning in a destination our FO chooses?

He made it clear where he wants to be. He doesn’t owe anyone a wish list of teams. If he wants to test UFA instead of committing before being traded, that’s well within his rights.

It’s on our FO for waiting until the 11th hour to look to move him. That’s where your anger should lie. Gahdamn.

[TimeForChange]

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Fk Pascal's camp.
They're screwing this FO over.
Just give us a list of teams you want to play for man, why make life so difficult?

I don’t know when this became a hot take but I find this to be this is such a privileged and whiney stance to take.

Why are you surprised that an impending free agent would rather test unrestricted free agency (where he can go wherever he pleases and field multiple competitive offers) rather than resigning in a destination our FO chooses?

He made it clear where he wants to be. He doesn’t owe anyone a wish list of teams. If he wants to test UFA instead of committing before being traded, that’s well within his rights.

It’s on our FO for waiting until the 11th hour to look to move him. That’s where your anger should lie. Gahdamn.

yeah some of these guys on here who think Pascal owes tmanagement anything are insane.

dude has come out and played hard throughout all of this nonsense. that is what he is paid to do and he is doing it.

you want to be upset, be upset with how management has handled this.

[SonnyWeems]

Ight

So ppl thinking Pascal and his camp would re-up in Philly

To phi:
Pascal and GTJ

To Tor:
Tobias
Melton
Korkmaz
Springer
Whatever of their 2 future firsts are in accordance with Stepien rule, let’s say 2026 and 2028 unprotected

$$$ works

Most value would be in future unprotected or lightly protected picks and bird rights of 2 good system players in harris and melton.

IQ
Barrett
Barnes
Harris
Poeltl
6: Melton
7: Schroder
8: Bouch
Etc etc

Lot of money off the books this summer to take a run at claxton or re signing harris and melton to contracts that fit

Thoughts?

[DreamTeam09]

Resign him, end this madness

[baller16]

Some of y'all have gone crazy.

ADDING to Siakam to trade our All Star to get a guy who broke out to a 15 pt/game?

Keep our top scorer inside. Our top 5 are set. We have a very good PG and pf off the bench. Replace GTJ with one of those dime a dozen scoring guards people say are everywhere. Someone like Lonnie Walker....who makes 3 million this year. Give him McD's deal....5 mill a year x 2.

If we can't get a LEGIT guy with upside to be a 20 point guy AND more, keep the best player.

Well signing Siakam to the max and then Quickley at 25/yr, we become a luxury tax paying team and no way in hell is MSLE going to agree to it. Probably the only reason why the FO wants to dump him tbh

We wouldn't be in the tax next year with those #s

You're right, but we'd be very close. Also tying up you entire cap to a core of Siakam/IQ/RJ/Barnes is not a good idea, regardles Siakam can still be moved after re-sgning which will be the play if we continue to get trash offers

[LoveMyRaps]

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Fk Pascal's camp.
They're screwing this FO over.
Just give us a list of teams you want to play for man, why make life so difficult?

I don’t know when this became a hot take but I find this to be this is such a privileged and whiney stance to take.

Why are you surprised that an impending free agent would rather test unrestricted free agency (where he can go wherever he pleases and field multiple competitive offers) rather than resigning in a destination our FO chooses?

He made it clear where he wants to be. He doesn’t owe anyone a wish list of teams. If he wants to test UFA instead of committing before being traded, that’s well within his rights.

It’s on our FO for waiting until the 11th hour to look to move him. That’s where your anger should lie. Gahdamn.

Nah you right. I'm just upset this is dragging on and the reality is beginning to set in that we're gonna get a poo poo platter.
I wanted to re-sign Pascal but it's quite evident that the FO has other plans.

And yes, I'm worried Pascal will walk in FA and we'll lose him for nothing.

[JB7]

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Fk Pascal's camp.
They're screwing this FO over.
Just give us a list of teams you want to play for man, why make life so difficult?

I don’t know when this became a hot take but I find this to be this is such a privileged and whiney stance to take.

Why are you surprised that an impending free agent would rather test unrestricted free agency (where he can go wherever he pleases and field multiple competitive offers) rather than resigning in a destination our FO chooses?

He made it clear where he wants to be. He doesn’t owe anyone a wish list of teams. If he wants to test UFA instead of committing before being traded, that’s well within his rights.

It’s on our FO for waiting until the 11th hour to look to move him. That’s where your anger should lie. Gahdamn.

This is actually quite simple. Siakam wants a max 5 year deal. He is turning 30 on April 2nd. Whatever team hold his bird rights can offer him that deal and retain him. Short of that deal, he'll just test FA and get the max 4 year deal a team like the Sixers could offer.

So if Sacramento is saying he wouldn't sign, it is probably because he refused to sign until the summer when he can be maxed, and they probably don't have an interest in maxing him out at 5 years, and were trying to get him to sign an extension, which after the trade he could only sign for 2 years.

The reason Fred left was Houston offered him the max (for 2 years, 3rd yr is a team option that won't be picked up). Toronto wasn't willing to max Fred (which was a smart move).

Pascal wanting to stay with the Raps for the rest of this season, gives him ultimate flexibility. If by chance he becomes eligible for the supermax (making All-NBA), he could try and force their hands to sign him to that (similar to Beal). But, even if he is not eligible for the supermax, he would still be eligible for the regular max (5 year deal) from the team holding his bird rights, and in the summer he could try and force the Raps into a S&T with the team willing to pay that, and the city he would want to play.

[LoveMyRaps]

Fk Pascal's camp.
They're screwing this FO over.
Just give us a list of teams you want to play for man, why make life so difficult?

I don’t know when this became a hot take but I find this to be this is such a privileged and whiney stance to take.

Why are you surprised that an impending free agent would rather test unrestricted free agency (where he can go wherever he pleases and field multiple competitive offers) rather than resigning in a destination our FO chooses?

He made it clear where he wants to be. He doesn’t owe anyone a wish list of teams. If he wants to test UFA instead of committing before being traded, that’s well within his rights.

It’s on our FO for waiting until the 11th hour to look to move him. That’s where your anger should lie. Gahdamn.

This is actually quite simple. Siakam wants a max 5 year deal. He is turning 30 on April 2nd. Whatever team hold his bird rights can offer him that deal and retain him. Short of that deal, he'll just test FA and get the max 4 year deal a team like the Sixers could offer.

So if Sacramento is saying he wouldn't sign, it is probably because he refused to sign until the summer when he can be maxed, and they probably don't have an interest in maxing him out at 5 years, and were trying to get him to sign an extension, which after the trade he could only sign for 2 years.

The reason Fred left was Houston offered him the max (for 2 years, 3rd yr is a team option that won't be picked up). Toronto wasn't willing to max Fred (which was a smart move).

Pascal wanting to stay with the Raps for the rest of this season, gives him ultimate flexibility. If by chance he becomes eligible for the supermax (making All-NBA), he could try and force their hands to sign him to that (similar to Beal). But, even if he is not eligible for the supermax, he would still be eligible for the regular max (5 year deal) from the team holding his bird rights, and in the summer he could try and force the Raps into a S&T with the team willing to pay that, and the city he would want to play.

How much is the regular max? Numbers please.

[DreamTeam09]

Well signing Siakam to the max and then Quickley at 25/yr, we become a luxury tax paying team and no way in hell is MSLE going to agree to it. Probably the only reason why the FO wants to dump him tbh

We wouldn't be in the tax next year with those #s

You're right, but we'd be very close. Also tying up you entire cap to a core of Siakam/IQ/RJ/Barnes is not a good idea, regardles Siakam can still be moved after re-sgning which will be the play if we continue to get trash offers

I think it's a good idea, a lot of interchangeable parts, shooting is no longer the token fall back issue, and like you said, he'll be good enough to still be able to be moved in the future.

[DreamTeam09]

I don’t know when this became a hot take but I find this to be this is such a privileged and whiney stance to take.

Why are you surprised that an impending free agent would rather test unrestricted free agency (where he can go wherever he pleases and field multiple competitive offers) rather than resigning in a destination our FO chooses?

He made it clear where he wants to be. He doesn’t owe anyone a wish list of teams. If he wants to test UFA instead of committing before being traded, that’s well within his rights.

It’s on our FO for waiting until the 11th hour to look to move him. That’s where your anger should lie. Gahdamn.

This is actually quite simple. Siakam wants a max 5 year deal. He is turning 30 on April 2nd. Whatever team hold his bird rights can offer him that deal and retain him. Short of that deal, he'll just test FA and get the max 4 year deal a team like the Sixers could offer.

So if Sacramento is saying he wouldn't sign, it is probably because he refused to sign until the summer when he can be maxed, and they probably don't have an interest in maxing him out at 5 years, and were trying to get him to sign an extension, which after the trade he could only sign for 2 years.

The reason Fred left was Houston offered him the max (for 2 years, 3rd yr is a team option that won't be picked up). Toronto wasn't willing to max Fred (which was a smart move).

Pascal wanting to stay with the Raps for the rest of this season, gives him ultimate flexibility. If by chance he becomes eligible for the supermax (making All-NBA), he could try and force their hands to sign him to that (similar to Beal). But, even if he is not eligible for the supermax, he would still be eligible for the regular max (5 year deal) from the team holding his bird rights, and in the summer he could try and force the Raps into a S&T with the team willing to pay that, and the city he would want to play.

How much is the regular max? Numbers please.

5yrs 240 or 4yrs 202

Neither number will be that high, really the FA players for Pascal with playoff intentions are the raps and indy, and Indy can't get up to 40+ per yr