Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[TDots97]

What are the numbers on an extension? I'm expecting that.

[MiamiSPX]

What are the numbers on an extension? I'm expecting that.

4/192

[ash_k]

Let's just give him that max deal and let's compete: We have to make the playoffs!
Then we can re-assess in the summer (after that playoffs run hopefully)

[sbsat]

If that’s the case our FO is to blame for not moving him sooner.

I dont think him and Embiid get along. This is me just speculating tho based on how they interact on the court

Well Pascal did end one of Embiid's playoff runs with a nice elbow to his face (& broken bone). Of course Embiid is not petty and would remember something like that...

he also deliberately tripped him when the raptors were getting smoked by them in a playoff game

[tecumseh18]

I am a bit surprised he and his agent arent working with the Raps on a trade to a team he would resign with in the summer. Get his cake and eat it too.

Is he afraid other teams wouldnt value him like Toronto? Masai is making it clear the team is ready to move on so not sure what theyre strategy is.

Why would they? Like ive been saying, he's got senority here. It may be "scottie's team", but Siakam still has free reign. He wont have that in Sacramento or Atlanta playing behind their stars. Not in Indy, or GSW or really any other team thats been rumoured (besides Detroit).

Im not saying he 100% wouldnt put up big numbers on those teams, but there's clearly a lot of uncertainty. Does he still get the max on the open market if he goes to the Kings and puts up 18/7/5 playing behind Sabonis and Fox? Or do teams see that and get scared of a 50mill/year contract? Thats a real risk that doesnt actually exist here

Because the Raptors have made it clear they aren't bringing him back.

It just occurred to me how this mirrors the 2020-21 season, when Pascal was whining to the media that with Lowry still here, the Raptor's couldn't be "Siakam's team". Now Masai and Darko have made it clear that it's Scottie's team, but Pascal and his agent won't work with other teams to facilitate a trade. I can only deduce that no other team (except perhaps the despised Sixers or Pistons) will commit to paying him the max. And with Paul George calling Pascal a "2nd or 3rd option" yesterday, that doesn't help.

[StopitLeo]

What are the numbers on an extension? I'm expecting that.

4/192

Just to expand on this for reference, what he's looking for is that 5th year that only the team with his Bird-rights can offer (Toronto or a team he is traded to), which would make it 5 years/$248M.

The max if he signs elsewhere is 4 years/$184M, which is not a lot less because the difference is only in the raises (8% vs 5%). A team that trades for him only has that 5th year as an incentive for re-signing with them.

That's all with respect to re-signing in the off-season. The extension he is eligible for right now would extend his contract 2 years/$88M. It's pretty obvious why he wouldn't consider that when he's turning 30 and this is his last opportunity to maximize his earnings.

In hindsight obviously it would have been nice to trade Pascal last year. We'd be saying the same about OG if the surprising Knicks trade didn't happen though.

[WuTang_CMB]

For who, Trent Jr? Fournier and something? Are the other expirings better than Fournier to get like a 2nd pick?

ATL gets:
Siakam and Gary Trent Jr

NY gets:
Dejounte Murray
Jalen McDaniels

TOR gets:
Okungru
Bogi
Fournier
Bufkin or AJ Griffin
picks from NY


New York does this deal in a heartbeat. Toronto probably too but we aren't getting better this season. This is a re-set for the future type deal. Not the greatest IMO but you can make some moves later. ATL probably declines but who knows how desperate they are to shake things up. They can't wait any longer and DJM isn't a fit there. We would all want JJ but looks like he's off the board.

I don't buy Atlanta tanking. Too much risk to turn it around in less than a year with Spurs owning their picks for the next 3 drafts.

I like the jist of this. Knicks need to send Grimes somewhere though. Fournier and picks for DJM is too good.

I don't see them tanking either. They gotta make a re-tool trade like Toronto did.

[Jadoogar]

What are the numbers on an extension? I'm expecting that.

4/192

Just to expand on this for reference, what he's looking for is that 5th year that only the team with his Bird-rights can offer (Toronto or a team he is traded to), which would make it 5 years/$248M.

The max if he signs elsewhere is 4 years/$184M, which is not a lot less because the difference is only in the raises (8% vs 5%). A team that trades for him only has that 5th year as an incentive for re-signing with them.

That's all with respect to re-signing in the off-season. The extension he is eligible for right now would extend his contract 2 years/$88M. It's pretty obvious why he wouldn't consider that when he's turning 30 and this is his last opportunity to maximize his earnings.

In hindsight obviously it would have been nice to trade Pascal last year. We'd be saying the same about OG if the surprising Knicks trade didn't happen though.

it's not hindsight, everyone knew this is how the situation was going to play out. Either we sign Siakam to a (likely) overpaid contract, watch him leave for nothing, or trade him for pennies.

[tecumseh18]

I dont think him and Embiid get along. This is me just speculating tho based on how they interact on the court

Well Pascal did end one of Embiid's playoff runs with a nice elbow to his face (& broken bone). Of course Embiid is not petty and would remember something like that...

he also deliberately tripped him when the raptors were getting smoked by them in a playoff game

The elbow was karmic justice for Embiid stomping on Scottie's foot in Game 1, when Scottie was in the process of getting a triple double in his first ever playoff game. Embiid did come back later in the Heat series, but Sixers lost anyway.

The trip in 2019 was pretty bad (although I can't blame anyone playing against Embiid for trying to hurt him), but again karmic justice prevailed and Pascal got the worst of it. He played, but was clearly hobbled for the next few weeks. He didn't seem fully recovered until Game 1 of the Finals.

[JB7]

Why would they? Like ive been saying, he's got senority here. It may be "scottie's team", but Siakam still has free reign. He wont have that in Sacramento or Atlanta playing behind their stars. Not in Indy, or GSW or really any other team thats been rumoured (besides Detroit).

Im not saying he 100% wouldnt put up big numbers on those teams, but there's clearly a lot of uncertainty. Does he still get the max on the open market if he goes to the Kings and puts up 18/7/5 playing behind Sabonis and Fox? Or do teams see that and get scared of a 50mill/year contract? Thats a real risk that doesnt actually exist here

Because the Raptors have made it clear they aren't bringing him back.

It just occurred to me how this mirrors the 2020-21 season, when Pascal was whining to the media that with Lowry still here, the Raptor's couldn't be "Siakam's team". Now Masai and Darko have made it clear that it's Scottie's team, but Pascal and his agent won't work with other teams to facilitate a trade. I can only deduce that no other team (except perhaps the despised Sixers or Pistons) will commit to paying him the max. And with Paul George calling Pascal a "2nd or 3rd option" yesterday, that doesn't help.

With the Pacers constantly mentioned as being interested in Pascal, I would imagine they have always thought they would need to max Pascal as part of the agreement for him staying.

Pacers are still the best fit for Pascal. As long as Hali's injury is not season ending, I think they are still a strong candidate for a Pascal trade. The fact that the Raps now have Schroder as a potential throw in for the deal, I think just strengthens the possibility for a deal.

Walker is not even in the rotation for the team now, and they have had Mathurin coming off the bench for most of the season. So if Indy is serious about competing now, I don't think dealing either of those two is going to set them back much in the short term, and Pascal will fill their need for a 2nd option beside Hali, and a 1st option while Hali is injured.

[StopitLeo]

send him to the pacers

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If trading Schroder ever was a possibility, I'd look to move him to the Lakers for either Rui straight up OR Vincent + Christie.

I really like Siakam + Schroder for Reaves + Hachimura + D'Lo (Russell is needed to make salary work and Schroder goes back to replace his guard play)

The Lakers don't have many avenues to improvement. I think they should seriously consider Pascal if they want to try and save the season and take another shot at a deep playoff run while they have LeBron. They should also have some confidence in being able to re-sign him given things like their location, the appeal of playing with LeBron, the potential future of a Siakam-AD duo, etc.

I think it's basically a question of whether they think Pascal moves the needle enough to warrant trading Reaves.

[redraptor77]

Reaves is okay. I don’t see him being better than a bench slash fill in starter. Same as Rui. Depth players.

[shiggydill]

Silly question, but is there a limit on when we have to offer an extension by? Can it be done anytime before the end of the season?

[refshateRaps]

Not sayin ATL would ever do this.

But lets be honest Atlanta sucks and doesn't look to have much hope to contend in the coming years, we need a top young scoring guard to pair with Scottie and we have a major trade chip in Pascal

Pascal, GTJ, +3 firsts For Trae and Matthews

For Toronto this makes a ton of sense and we are instantly completive over the next 5 years, so picks are not needed. Would ATL be willing to part or do they see a path to build around Trae? IDK but I bet he demands a trade at some point and I find the fit perfect for the direction we are headed.

[StopitLeo]

Just to expand on this for reference, what he's looking for is that 5th year that only the team with his Bird-rights can offer (Toronto or a team he is traded to), which would make it 5 years/$248M.

The max if he signs elsewhere is 4 years/$184M, which is not a lot less because the difference is only in the raises (8% vs 5%). A team that trades for him only has that 5th year as an incentive for re-signing with them.

That's all with respect to re-signing in the off-season. The extension he is eligible for right now would extend his contract 2 years/$88M. It's pretty obvious why he wouldn't consider that when he's turning 30 and this is his last opportunity to maximize his earnings.

In hindsight obviously it would have been nice to trade Pascal last year. We'd be saying the same about OG if the surprising Knicks trade didn't happen though.

it's not hindsight, everyone knew this is how the situation was going to play out. Either we sign Siakam to a (likely) overpaid contract, watch him leave for nothing, or trade him for pennies.

It is hindsight with respect to any offers we had last year and if we have to settle for worse offers or can't make a trade this year. It's not like the front office wasn't looking to trade him last season. It's possible that some of those offers were "pennies" even when he had 1 year left on his deal.

[tecumseh18]

Reaves is okay. I don’t see him being better than a bench slash fill in starter. Same as Rui. Depth players.

Correct. We're looking for cheap talent (to maximize cap space this summer) that is projectable to being a quality starter. And he has to be a 3-4, because without Pascal and OG we're running out of those guys.

If Jarace Walker hasn't already proved himself to be a bust (the way Gradey Dick may have), then he has to be the target. We're not prying JJ out of the Hawks. Walker is shooting >50% from 3 in the G-League on 8 attempts per game, or about TRIPLE Dick's 17% on the same volume.

[alpngso]

Reaves is okay. I don’t see him being better than a bench slash fill in starter. Same as Rui. Depth players.

Correct. We're looking for cheap talent (to maximize cap space this summer) that is projectable to being a quality starter. And he has to be a 3-4, because without Pascal and OG we're running out of those guys.

If Jarace Walker hasn't already proved himself to be a bust (the way Gradey Dick may have), then he has to be the target. We're not prying JJ out of the Hawks. Walker is shooting >50% from 3 in the G-League on 8 attempts per game, or about TRIPLE Dick's 17% on the same volume.

So you are saying Jarace is better shooter than the 3pt specialist. sign me up

[Green Backpack]

For me it's Mathurin or bust. Sign him to an extension if we can't get Mathurin.

[ATLTimekeeper]

It just occurred to me how this mirrors the 2020-21 season, when Pascal was whining to the media that with Lowry still here, the Raptor's couldn't be "Siakam's team". Now Masai and Darko have made it clear that it's Scottie's team, but Pascal and his agent won't work with other teams to facilitate a trade. I can only deduce that no other team (except perhaps the despised Sixers or Pistons) will commit to paying him the max. And with Paul George calling Pascal a "2nd or 3rd option" yesterday, that doesn't help.

No, you misunderstood Pascal's complaint. He said that he didn't feel like he had the organization's full confidence. It wasn't about Lowry being in the way. We can only speculate why he felt that way.

[Raptaurus]

What are the numbers on an extension? I'm expecting that.

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In hindsight obviously it would have been nice to trade Pascal last year. We'd be saying the same about OG if the surprising Knicks trade didn't happen though.

The Raptors got lucky with the Knicks offer. It was the perfect storm that made it happen as no other team was willing to surrender much besides highly protected draft picks. The Knicks realized that they couldnt resign Quickley to a discount, wanted to dump RJ’s contract, and had enough indications that OG would resign with them.