The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2

[Rodrickle]

Gradey is not a for sure bust, but can we stop blaming the team (big team and 905) and everything but Gradey for his struggles. Bargnani deja vu.

Darko gave plenty of praises for him before he stunk it up. Gave him plenty of chances. He's not playable. Barely G league playable. Thats why he's not playing. Playing a player that lacks confidence when he's not ready may even worsen his confidence. Darko is not a good coach but he's known for player development. Look at the praises he gets from Memphis players like Bane.

And running plays for an unplayable player would be dumb AF. Players would lose confidence in the coach.





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[kingz3290]

Gradey is not a for sure bust, but can we stop blaming the team (big team and 905) and everything but Gradey for his struggles. Bargnani deja vu.

Darko gave plenty of praises for him before he stunk it up. Gave him plenty of chances. He's not playable. Barely G league playable. Thats why he's not playing. Playing a player that lacks confidence when he's not ready may even worsen his confidence. Darko is not a good coach but he's known for player development. Look at the praises he gets from Memphis players like Bane.

And running plays for an unplayable player would be dumb AF. Players would lose confidence in the coach.





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sounds like a bust to me....what front office wants a pet project like that @13? Sounds like a bad pick. If it was the right pick, Gradey would be actually playing minutes in spots,and slowly trying to make the argument that he can eventually fill the minutes taken by Gary Trent/the abscence of Anunoby. Instead, Gradey isn't playing at all. It's a hard sell to give the impression that he's going to be a contributor in the future not based on his works, but on the mere fact that he's under contract. The honest answer is, for the sake of polishing his game - he should have stayed in college. and it's ok to say that, respectfully. Kansas looks like they could've really used him this year too.

[mihaic]

Gradey is not a for sure bust, but can we stop blaming the team (big team and 905) and everything but Gradey for his struggles. Bargnani deja vu.

Darko gave plenty of praises for him before he stunk it up. Gave him plenty of chances. He's not playable. Barely G league playable. Thats why he's not playing. Playing a player that lacks confidence when he's not ready may even worsen his confidence. Darko is not a good coach but he's known for player development. Look at the praises he gets from Memphis players like Bane.

And running plays for an unplayable player would be dumb AF. Players would lose confidence in the coach.





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sounds like a bust to me....what front office wants a pet project like that @13? Sounds like a bad pick. If it was the right pick, Gradey would be actually playing minutes in spots,and slowly trying to make the argument that he can eventually fill the minutes taken by Gary Trent/the abscence of Anunoby. Instead, Gradey isn't playing at all. It's a hard sell to give the impression that he's going to be a contributor in the future not based on his works, but on the mere fact that he's under contract. The honest answer is, for the sake of polishing his game - he should have stayed in college. and it's ok to say that, respectfully. Kansas looks like they could've really used him this year too.

The bust probability IMO is >50%. But not impossible to overcome. He'll need to shoot lights out though, if he wants to make it, because he doesn't bring much else to the table.

[Chalky_White]

Gradey is not a for sure bust, but can we stop blaming the team (big team and 905) and everything but Gradey for his struggles. Bargnani deja vu.

Darko gave plenty of praises for him before he stunk it up. Gave him plenty of chances. He's not playable. Barely G league playable. Thats why he's not playing. Playing a player that lacks confidence when he's not ready may even worsen his confidence. Darko is not a good coach but he's known for player development. Look at the praises he gets from Memphis players like Bane.

And running plays for an unplayable player would be dumb AF. Players would lose confidence in the coach.





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sounds like a bust to me....what front office wants a pet project like that @13? Sounds like a bad pick. If it was the right pick, Gradey would be actually playing minutes in spots,and slowly trying to make the argument that he can eventually fill the minutes taken by Gary Trent/the abscence of Anunoby. Instead, Gradey isn't playing at all. It's a hard sell to give the impression that he's going to be a contributor in the future not based on his works, but on the mere fact that he's under contract. The honest answer is, for the sake of polishing his game - he should have stayed in college. and it's ok to say that, respectfully. Kansas looks like they could've really used him this year too.

The bust probability IMO is >50%. But not impossible to overcome. He'll need to shoot lights out though, if he wants to make it, because he doesn't bring much else to the table.

Wouldn't call him a bust yet, but I always felt it was strange to use the 13th pick on a guy who was likely the next Duncan Robinson instead a player with a higher ceiling. Good shooters are always available in the 2nd round if you want.

[RealityIsDemar]

sounds like a bust to me....what front office wants a pet project like that @13? Sounds like a bad pick. If it was the right pick, Gradey would be actually playing minutes in spots,and slowly trying to make the argument that he can eventually fill the minutes taken by Gary Trent/the abscence of Anunoby. Instead, Gradey isn't playing at all. It's a hard sell to give the impression that he's going to be a contributor in the future not based on his works, but on the mere fact that he's under contract. The honest answer is, for the sake of polishing his game - he should have stayed in college. and it's ok to say that, respectfully. Kansas looks like they could've really used him this year too.

The bust probability IMO is >50%. But not impossible to overcome. He'll need to shoot lights out though, if he wants to make it, because he doesn't bring much else to the table.

Wouldn't call him a bust yet, but I always felt it was strange to use the 13th pick on a guy who was likely the next Duncan Robinson instead a player with a higher ceiling. Good shooters are always available in the 2nd round if you want.

Watch Gradeys Kansas tape. He didn’t project anything like Duncan Robinson. The FO and media didn’t have him in the top ten conversation for shooting alone. Granted he’s shown none of the shot creation chops he showed in college, but the FO can only be blamed so much

[brownbobcat]

CONFIDENCE

I don't know why anyone is talking about anything but this. When you're 19 and you arrive in the man's league to get dissed and benched and demoted despite having played maybe 100 minutes in the league then guess what you can easily lose confidence.

I have literally never heard Darko say a single positive thing about Gradey. He has obviously lost his confidence. That is the problem here. People wondering why he can't shoot all of a sudden, and why he hangs back and is afraid to step up. THAT is the obvious reason. Just compare the energy and balls he had in his first games as a Raptor. Totally unafraid. Now he's scared crapless. That is 100% on the team jerking him around so much. Sucks.

Come on, quit with the excuses. No rookie 19 yr old who showed as little as Gradey did is going to get an unlimited leash. He got some minutes to start the year, but they can't just keep playing him if he can't hit the broad side of a barn. Nearly all rookies struggle, but he's been a lot worse than most. An NBA game is not the place for him to fix things.

[AbC?]

Man I've seen nearly every made basket of Dick's time in Kansas and I am still looking for this shot creation and ball handling skills fans think he had. He was absolutely not self-creating or getting to the rim on a live dribble from what I've gone through. If anyone has clips they can show me I would be happy to be proven wrong. He was scoring coming off off-ball screens, movement shooting, timely cutting, transition dunks/layups, and the occasional rim runs against over-aggressive closeouts, and even those would be often awkward 2 foot leaps to the basket that don't translate at the NBA level.

[ConSarnit]

sounds like a bust to me....what front office wants a pet project like that @13? Sounds like a bad pick. If it was the right pick, Gradey would be actually playing minutes in spots,and slowly trying to make the argument that he can eventually fill the minutes taken by Gary Trent/the abscence of Anunoby. Instead, Gradey isn't playing at all. It's a hard sell to give the impression that he's going to be a contributor in the future not based on his works, but on the mere fact that he's under contract. The honest answer is, for the sake of polishing his game - he should have stayed in college. and it's ok to say that, respectfully. Kansas looks like they could've really used him this year too.

The bust probability IMO is >50%. But not impossible to overcome. He'll need to shoot lights out though, if he wants to make it, because he doesn't bring much else to the table.

Wouldn't call him a bust yet, but I always felt it was strange to use the 13th pick on a guy who was likely the next Duncan Robinson instead a player with a higher ceiling. Good shooters are always available in the 2nd round if you want.

They are? Here are the number of current NBA players playing > 15mpg, taking > 1 3fga and shooting > 36% 3pt (basically rotation players shooting above league average from 3)

137

Number of those players drafted in the 2nd round (or undrafted):

30

You're lucky if there are 2 playable NBA level 3pt shooters available in the 2nd round (or beyond) on any given year.

[ItsDanger]

Hauser, Joe, Merrill, etc, were all available cheap. 3 pt specialists can be obtained later. Dick is more than that but not sure from a skills perspective that should be the way to go in the lottery.

Wizards took Kispert when Sengun, Johnson and Murphy were all available as example in the 2021 draft. And those 3 were well known prospects.

[The Duke]

Keyonte George 19-6-4, 7/13, 4/9, 22min on the road in win against bucks

[TorontoBarneys]

Man Bufkin was right there lol

[HumbleRen]

Man I've seen nearly every made basket of Dick's time in Kansas and I am still looking for this shot creation and ball handling skills fans think he had. He was absolutely not self-creating or getting to the rim on a live dribble from what I've gone through. If anyone has clips they can show me I would be happy to be proven wrong. He was scoring coming off off-ball screens, movement shooting, timely cutting, transition dunks/layups, and the occasional rim runs against over-aggressive closeouts, and even those would be often awkward 2 foot leaps to the basket that don't translate at the NBA level.

He had like 2 isolation buckets his entire year at Kansas.

This fanbase has been watching so much ugly basketball that they forgot how normal offence looks like.

Gradey has shown nothing to indicate his ceiling isn’t Duncan Robinson.

[Westside Gunn]

So a poor man's Jason Kapono.

[Brinbe]

It's all shooting with him. That's what they primarily drafted him for. If he can't be that knockdown shooter, he won't make it.

[TheDunc]

It's all shooting with him. That's what they primarily drafted him for. If he can't be that knockdown shooter, he won't make it.

This is the key, if Gradey doesnt become the knock down specialist shooter he was drafted to be then all of his other complimentary skills don't matter. If i were the front office, i'd have Gradey focus just on his shooting every single day, jack up 1000 shots every single day. If by next season he doesnt become that knock down shooter then we can pull the plug on this project

This situation is quite baffling to me because a player who's greatest skill is shooting no longer being a good shooter is quite bizarre, something has gone wrong along the way or he was never a good shooter to begin with and was simply on some lucky hot streak but im not buying it.

[Duffman100]

Man Bufkin was right there lol

Keyonte George 19-6-4, 7/13, 4/9, 22min on the road in win against bucks

Y'all are going to drive yourself crazy with this. Teams make draft mistakes, it happens. We've just rarely been on that end of it.

[Loso04]

Gradey is way too passive on offense. They really just need to say F IT and let him be on ball.

[Blazing_royale]

Even cam is doing well off the bench for Rockets and Rockets be playing 500 + ball right now.

[HangTime]

Gradey is way too passive on offense. They really just need to say F IT and let him be on ball.

I think on top wanting him to get minutes for conditioning, I think they want him to be a 3rd or 4th option with the 905, because it'll be a direct translation when he gets back.

[sbsat]

Gradey is way too passive on offense. They really just need to say F IT and let him be on ball.

I think on top wanting him to get minutes for conditioning, I think they want him to be a 3rd or 4th option with the 905, because it'll be a direct translation when he gets back.

Jlf is also a ball hog god damn!