Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[gerrit4]

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It's a game of chicken, Masai can then say: sure go ahead and wait, and we'll just lock him up to an extension, he's down to stay on a new contract.

I mean, if he trades Pascal elsewhere (assuming that team will want to sign him to a 5 year max), then waiting until the summer doesn't really make sense. It's not that often that max guys switch teams in free agency, especially if the bird rights team is trying to keep him.

[Raptorland23]

Pascal wants to sign max in Philly and Philly will offer it. He will not extend or sign anywhere else including with us, he is holding the Raptors hostage.

Some team in the hunt for a title or believing they can sway him may gamble but they are no longer offering anything significant

That’s the truth right there, there has been major friction between camps dating back to first quarter of last season

[MikeM]

The benefit of the past is teams know we're ready to lose players for nothing if the deal isn't good. So good luck signing Pascal in free agency without the 5th year. Or you could get him now. Up to you.

[Raps in 4]

Pascal wants to sign max in Philly and Philly will offer it. He will not extend or sign anywhere else including with us, he is holding the Raptors hostage.

Some team in the hunt for a title or believing they can sway him may gamble but they are no longer offering anything significant

That’s the truth right there, there has been major friction between camps dating back to first quarter of last season

That friction was literally with Nurse, and now you're telling me he wants to sign with Nurse's new team, lol?

Also, as I understand it, the team holding his bird rights can offer him an extra year? If that's the case, he might prefer to take it given his age.

[Zeno]

What makes people think Siakam will stay? After all this, I can't see it. He's gone. We don't have a fallback option imo. Need to trade him.

The fallback option I suppose is giving him the full 4 year contract with 8 percent raises with an understanding that he will be traded to the a list of teams he provides. A list that does not have to include teams that have capspace. So he gets a wider range of teams to choose from and additional money than he could get leaving in free agency.

[Tha Cynic]

What makes people think Siakam will stay? After all this, I can't see it. He's gone. We don't have a fallback option imo. Need to trade him.

The fallback option I suppose is giving him the full 4 year contract with 8 percent raises with an understanding that he will be traded to the a list of teams he provides. A list that does not have to include teams that have capspace. So he gets a wider range of teams to choose from and additional money than he could get leaving in free agency.

Unless the team he wants to sign with will have the ability to give him the 4 year contract. The way he's operating, he seems very comfortable telling teams he won't re-sign with them. He has spoken to a team or two and knows he can sign with them.

[Duffman100]

Pascal wants to sign max in Philly and Philly will offer it. He will not extend or sign anywhere else including with us, he is holding the Raptors hostage.

Some team in the hunt for a title or believing they can sway him may gamble but they are no longer offering anything significant

That’s the truth right there, there has been major friction between camps dating back to first quarter of last season

And you know this how?

[Raptorland23]

Pascal wants to sign max in Philly and Philly will offer it. He will not extend or sign anywhere else including with us, he is holding the Raptors hostage.

Some team in the hunt for a title or believing they can sway him may gamble but they are no longer offering anything significant

That’s the truth right there, there has been major friction between camps dating back to first quarter of last season

That friction was literally with Nurse, and now you're telling me he wants to sign with Nurse's new team, lol?

Also, as I understand it, the team holding his bird rights can offer him an extra year? If that's the case, he might prefer to take it given his age.

This friction with Nurse was never what it was made out to be. He is going there 100 percent and will reunite with Rico Hines who he has worked with since 2016. He feels with Nurse, Hines, Embid and Maxey they can win titles. Philly has a slew of player contacts ending and can sign a max player and surround the big three with great role players with ease.

Off-season, Pascal is a Sixer. Save the post

[WuTang_CMB]

Masai doesnt leak to Woj, so we never create narratives in the media before a deal. I dont think Masai cares about any of that

We do our business with the teams direct and thats it

I bet Indiana would rather trade for him and getting his bird rights. He's not going to sign there in the off-season outright

[execoftheyear]

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It's a game of chicken, Masai can then say: sure go ahead and wait, and we'll just lock him up to an extension, he's down to stay on a new contract.

I mean, if he trades Pascal elsewhere (assuming that team will want to sign him to a 5 year max), then waiting until the summer doesn't really make sense. It's not that often that max guys switch teams in free agency, especially if the bird rights team is trying to keep him.

my fear is that Siakam has been around since Masai did Derozan dirty. I really hope Siakam and our front office are in good terms behind closed doors because he could really screw us over if a trade doesn't happen and he signs with someone else in the offseason. I get the feeling that he and FVV share a similar mindset

[Zeno]

What makes people think Siakam will stay? After all this, I can't see it. He's gone. We don't have a fallback option imo. Need to trade him.

The fallback option I suppose is giving him the full 4 year contract with 8 percent raises with an understanding that he will be traded to the a list of teams he provides. A list that does not have to include teams that have capspace. So he gets a wider range of teams to choose from and additional money than he could get leaving in free agency.

Unless the team he wants to sign with will have the ability to give him the 4 year contract.

Sure but it will be with 5% raises instead of 8% raises. And he'll have to play out the season and risk potential injury or teams suddenly deciding to go in another direction. Personally my feeling is that is Masai promised to trade him, he'd sign the extension if offered.

[StopitLeo]

I love how we went from all these teams being unwilling to trade their best young player to them being engaged with Toronto or in serious discussions.

[Hero_Panda]

my fear is that Siakam has been around since Masai did Derozan dirty. I really hope Siakam and our front office are in good terms behind closed doors because he could really screw us over if a trade doesn't happen and he signs with someone else in the offseason. I get the feeling that he and FVV share a similar mindset

HOU gave FVV a 40m/year contract. From what I've read, Masai offered FVV a 30m extension but HOU came in with a 40m/year offer and FVV would be a fool not to sign it. Masai would be crazy to give FVV 40 mil.

With regards to Pascal, no team can offer more money to Pascal than the Raps, and if Pascal is willing to accept any max from another team this offseason, Masai can just give more money and years if he doesn't want to lose him for nothing.

[Tha Cynic]

The fallback option I suppose is giving him the full 4 year contract with 8 percent raises with an understanding that he will be traded to the a list of teams he provides. A list that does not have to include teams that have capspace. So he gets a wider range of teams to choose from and additional money than he could get leaving in free agency.

Unless the team he wants to sign with will have the ability to give him the 4 year contract.

Sure but it will be with 5% raises instead of 8% raises. And he'll have to play out the season and risk potential injury or teams suddenly deciding to go in another direction. Personally my feeling is that is Masai promised to trade him, he'd sign the extension if offered.

My read is there are problems between the two sides and Siakam doesn't want to play ball with Masai. I think his people are trying to paint this in a positive light for Siakam. Masai always takes care of his guys. If he's not taking care of Siakam, there's a very good reason for it.

[execoftheyear]

I love how we went from all these teams being unwilling to trade their best young player to them being engaged with Toronto or in serious discussions.

it's all a bluff. There's going to be a bidding war the closer we get to the deadline. Some desperate team is going to give up a lot for him especially with some of the recent injuries to some teams that are looking to make a push in the playoffs. They'll want to remain competitive to secure a high seed before their injured key players return for the playoffs.

[ForeverTFC]

Pascal wants to sign max in Philly and Philly will offer it. He will not extend or sign anywhere else including with us, he is holding the Raptors hostage.

Some team in the hunt for a title or believing they can sway him may gamble but they are no longer offering anything significant

That’s the truth right there, there has been major friction between camps dating back to first quarter of last season

What makes you say this? Wasn't a big part of the friction between Nurse and Watson, with Watson being a Siakam guy and trying to get Nurse fired? Didn't Nurse ban Watson from being able to work out with Siakam?

It was weird to see Rico Hines go to Philly with Nurse though given the above.

[dozo]

Masai doesnt leak to Woj, so we never create narratives in the media before a deal. I dont think Masai cares about any of that

We do our business with the teams direct and thats it

I bet Indiana would rather trade for him and getting his bird rights. He's not going to sign there in the off-season outright

I think Woj's information comes directly from the NBA's head office in New York.

He used to tweet draft picks before Silver got to podium. Correct me if I'm wrong but teams send (call) in their selections to HO in New York.

[WuTang_CMB]

Masai doesnt leak to Woj, so we never create narratives in the media before a deal. I dont think Masai cares about any of that

We do our business with the teams direct and thats it

I bet Indiana would rather trade for him and getting his bird rights. He's not going to sign there in the off-season outright

I think Woj's information comes directly from the NBA's head office in New York.

He used to tweet draft picks before Silver got to podium. Correct me if I'm wrong but teams send (call) in their selections to HO in New York.

nah. those are from gm's across the league, even the picks. he's a mouthpiece for all the teams looking to negotiate through the media and spark their own value of players

[execoftheyear]

my fear is that Siakam has been around since Masai did Derozan dirty. I really hope Siakam and our front office are in good terms behind closed doors because he could really screw us over if a trade doesn't happen and he signs with someone else in the offseason. I get the feeling that he and FVV share a similar mindset

HOU gave FVV a 40m/year contract. From what I've read, Masai offered FVV a 30m extension but HOU came in with a 40m/year offer and FVV would be a fool not to sign it. Masai would be crazy to give FVV 40 mil.

With regards to Pascal, no team can offer more money to Pascal than the Raps, and if Pascal is willing to accept any max from another team this offseason, Masai can just give more money and years if he doesn't want to lose him for nothing.

this is true but the fact that he's been in so many trade talks and we didn't extend him right away may have rubbed him the wrong way.

[Psubs]

Pascal wants to sign max in Philly and Philly will offer it. He will not extend or sign anywhere else including with us, he is holding the Raptors hostage.

Some team in the hunt for a title or believing they can sway him may gamble but they are no longer offering anything significant

That’s the truth right there, there has been major friction between camps dating back to first quarter of last season

What makes you say this? Wasn't a big part of the friction between Nurse and Watson, with Watson being a Siakam guy and trying to get Nurse fired? Didn't Nurse ban Watson from being able to work out with Siakam?

It was weird to see Rico Hines go to Philly with Nurse though given the above.

IBM Watson?