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Re: Around the NBA 

Post#841 » by minimus » Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:27 am

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KGdaBom wrote:I would not want my teams future tied to Quickley. He's riding a traded player high that you see many times. He will come back down to Earth. That's what I believe. I could be wrong.


But he's doing the exact same thing he was doing in NY. Just playing more minutes.

You could be right or I could be right. Time will tell. I will use him making all star teams as the gauge of being worthy of building around.


There is no need to write that you could be wrong. It's internet, everyone can be wrong. I use everyone opinion is hypothesis or advertisement, and do my research.
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Re: Around the NBA 

Post#842 » by winforlose » Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:40 am

IQ might turn into the next SGA, or he could become far less valuable. You don’t gamble a KAT level player on a guy who couldn’t crack the starting lineup on a Knicks level team. As it is OG is gonna demand to be overpaid and the Knicks will have no choice but to pay him.
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Re: Around the NBA 

Post#843 » by BlacJacMac » Sat Jan 13, 2024 3:13 pm

winforlose wrote:IQ might turn into the next SGA, or he could become far less valuable. You don’t gamble a KAT level player on a guy who couldn’t crack the starting lineup on a Knicks level team. As it is OG is gonna demand to be overpaid and the Knicks will have no choice but to pay him.


They do have that Brunson guy...
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Re: Around the NBA 

Post#844 » by winforlose » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:51 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
winforlose wrote:IQ might turn into the next SGA, or he could become far less valuable. You don’t gamble a KAT level player on a guy who couldn’t crack the starting lineup on a Knicks level team. As it is OG is gonna demand to be overpaid and the Knicks will have no choice but to pay him.


They do have that Brunson guy...


They went out and got that Brunson guy. When IQ became a Knick, Brunson was a Mav. Also if IQ is as good as some of you think he is, why not start him with Brunson? He isn’t that undersized, and Brunson can certainly play on or off ball.
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Post#845 » by BlacJacMac » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:59 pm

Because it’s a small backcourt.

Quickly was still getting 24 MPG and was fantastic in his role. And as expected, his production has scaled with his increased minutes.

A good GM finds those guys before they hit peak value. Now you’d have to pay full freight if Toronto would even consider moving him.

Look at SGA. He was an 11 PPG player when he was the centerpiece of the Paul George trade.
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Re: Around the NBA 

Post#846 » by Calinks » Sat Jan 13, 2024 6:46 pm

I remember being envious of the Mitchel and Murray trades last season and how they seemed to be working so well for their teams while we looked like trash and were a laughingstock. How much things have changed in a year. Mitchel is having some struggles as far as his success in Cleveland right now but Murray is looking like he might get moved again.

Meanwhile, we have had the number 1 spot in the west for the vast majority of the season so far and will probably be in contention for the top seed and maybe best record in the NBA all season barring injury or major setback.
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Post#847 » by Neeva » Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:03 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:Because it’s a small backcourt.

Quickly was still getting 24 MPG and was fantastic in his role. And as expected, his production has scaled with his increased minutes.

A good GM finds those guys before they hit peak value. Now you’d have to pay full freight if Toronto would even consider moving him.

Look at SGA. He was an 11 PPG player when he was the centerpiece of the Paul George trade.


Now Toronto will have to give Quickley a 30 mil plus contract… and tbh not convinced yet.
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Post#848 » by Klomp » Sun Jan 14, 2024 4:05 am

winforlose wrote:IQ might turn into the next SGA, or he could become far less valuable. You don’t gamble a KAT level player on a guy who couldn’t crack the starting lineup on a Knicks level team. As it is OG is gonna demand to be overpaid and the Knicks will have no choice but to pay him.

We gambled a Kevin Love level player on an unknown in Wiggins
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Post#849 » by MN7725 » Sun Jan 14, 2024 4:05 am

NOP going into Dallas (without Luka) and winning without Zion, CJ, Ingram, Murphy is impressive
they've drafted/developed so well
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Post#850 » by winforlose » Sun Jan 14, 2024 4:12 am

Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:IQ might turn into the next SGA, or he could become far less valuable. You don’t gamble a KAT level player on a guy who couldn’t crack the starting lineup on a Knicks level team. As it is OG is gonna demand to be overpaid and the Knicks will have no choice but to pay him.

We gambled a Kevin Love level player on an unknown in Wiggins


That turned out well for us? ;)
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Post#851 » by Klomp » Sun Jan 14, 2024 4:26 am

winforlose wrote:
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winforlose wrote:IQ might turn into the next SGA, or he could become far less valuable. You don’t gamble a KAT level player on a guy who couldn’t crack the starting lineup on a Knicks level team. As it is OG is gonna demand to be overpaid and the Knicks will have no choice but to pay him.

We gambled a Kevin Love level player on an unknown in Wiggins


That turned out well for us? ;)

IQ has better numbers than Clippers Shai had on a similar-level team.
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Re: Around the NBA 

Post#852 » by minimus » Sun Jan 14, 2024 8:14 am

MN7725 wrote:NOP going into Dallas (without Luka) and winning without Zion, CJ, Ingram, Murphy is impressive
they've drafted/developed so well

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Re: Around the NBA 

Post#853 » by Guest84 » Sun Jan 14, 2024 6:52 pm

I've seen a lot of talk from players over the years, Ant included, about how good Cam Reddish is. Why do you think he hasn't caught on? Is it him? Lack of a real opportunity? What?
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Re: Around the NBA 

Post#854 » by BlacJacMac » Sun Jan 14, 2024 7:14 pm

Guest84 wrote:I've seen a lot of talk from players over the years, Ant included, about how good Cam Reddish is. Why do you think he hasn't caught on? Is it him? Lack of a real opportunity? What?


Another guy that "looks the part", but doesn't do anything well.

He's a disaster on offense. Can't shoot, doesn't get to the line, 1:1 Assts/TO ratio. 6'8 with a 7'1 wingspan and rebounds like a PG. He gets some steals, but his teams are worse defensively when he plays.

He's started 108 of his 206 games played, so he's had the opportunities.
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Re: Around the NBA 

Post#855 » by Calinks » Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:10 am

I'm so happy we aren'tt a .500 team this year. All the teams in that range are really dangerous it seems nearly impossible to dig out of that hole when you have to play all these other teams who are similarly skilled and playing hard to make the playoffs. Its such a brutal road. Even a team like the Lakers makes it to the playoffs they will have to slug out so many tough games to win enough to get in.

It feels great being the top seed and having some serious room to lose game or slump and not have to feel like your season is over.
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Post#856 » by younggunsmn » Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:54 am

Calinks wrote:I'm so happy we aren'tt a .500 team this year. All the teams in that range are really dangerous it seems nearly impossible to dig out of that hole when you have to play all these other teams who are similarly skilled and playing hard to make the playoffs. Its such a brutal road. Even a team like the Lakers makes it to the playoffs they will have to slug out so many tough games to win enough to get in.

It feels great being the top seed and having some serious room to lose game or slump and not have to feel like your season is over.


Yeah the Jazz passed the Warriors and Lakers and Utah and Houston currently hold the 9th and 10th seeds by just 1 and 1 1/2 games.
It's super important to stay 6th or better and stay ahead of Sacramento, Dallas and Phoenix because anything can happen in the play-in.

I can see Phoenix getting hot and making a Clippers like run, and Denver, OKC, LAC, and NOP look like they are here to stay as teams competing for the top 4 spots with us.

The hot start and being 17 games above .500 is a big deal right now with as competitive as the West is.
If we can get to +20 and stay there, I really like our chances of finishing top 6 or better.
Whoever we face in the playoffs, it's not likely to be easy.
Best case we draw a young inexperienced team like Houston or Utah.
We could win 60 games and finish 1st and still draw a dangerous team like Dallas or Phoenix in the 1st round.
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Post#857 » by younggunsmn » Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:59 am

Memphis will be without Bane, Morant, and Smart for the next 6 weeks, should help keep the 2nd we own from them in the 31-36 range.
We also play them twice in that period.

Over next 8 games, 6 games against bad teams (4 of those on the road) and 2 games against OKC (1 home, 1 away).

A 6-2 over that period would get us to 21 games above .500.
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Re: Around the NBA 

Post#858 » by KGdaBom » Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:21 pm

Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:
Klomp wrote:We gambled a Kevin Love level player on an unknown in Wiggins


That turned out well for us? ;)

IQ has better numbers than Clippers Shai had on a similar-level team.

For every player that turns out like SGA there are a couple hundred at least that don't. I'll go on record that IQ doesn't turn out. He will be a solid starter and nothing more. No all star games in his future.
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Post#859 » by life_saver » Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:29 pm

A fully healthy Pelicans team scares me...they have some very good young talent and also Zion is exactly the kind of guy our team struggles to guard. But they rarely seem to be fully healthy
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Post#860 » by Klomp » Mon Jan 15, 2024 8:30 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
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That turned out well for us? ;)

IQ has better numbers than Clippers Shai had on a similar-level team.

For every player that turns out like SGA there are a couple hundred at least that don't. I'll go on record that IQ doesn't turn out. He will be a solid starter and nothing more. No all star games in his future.

Doesn't sound like you think he's an unknown then. Sounds like you've already decided what he is and will be.
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