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Post#121 » by German Athens » Thu Jan 18, 2024 2:49 pm

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German Athens wrote:Bruce Brown does a lot of those necessary role player things, and has some traits like pat: rebounds, hustles, cuts on time, isn’t afraid of the moment.

We’ve brought in a bunch of dudes who we thought would help, and then shriveled up in the playoffs once the physicality was boosted and the pressure was on: Mirotic, Marvin (probably unfair, since he was a buyout), Bobby to an extent, crowder last year, Bledsoe, etc.

Bruce Brown is like a better defending pat, and would clearly provide value to us; however, he’s not a good enough defender to cause teams to worry about him. I really just want a dude on the defensive end that will cause the other team to be fully aware of where he is on the court. We had that in Jrue, and I’d like to get someone who causes chaos on that end.

Our offense should be fine with the top-end talent we have either way.


Jimmy Butler was fully aware of where Jrue was on the court in the playoffs.


Is your point that Jrue wasn’t an elite defender, or that elite defenders can get cooked by superstars sometimes?
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Post#122 » by GoldenAntlers » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:03 pm

Beasley on a vet min is a steal. Dude has the best 3pt % in the NBA and is a great offensive compliment to Dame and Giannis. He's not going anywhere.
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Post#123 » by kanyon » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:13 pm

It's weird how people think Pat is great to solid defender when the numbers show he's one of the worst. Even Hubie last night was talking about how good his defense is... As we got blown out. Is it just because he goes flying around/giving 'energy and effort' even if it's pointless?
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Post#124 » by emunney » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:32 pm

Has anything leaked on Koloko? Did he get tuberculosis or what?
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Post#125 » by SirChurros » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:47 pm

Beasley is cheap and is having arguably his best season while providing desperately needed shooting. He’s not the guy you move.
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Post#126 » by JayMKE » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:49 pm

emunney wrote:Has anything leaked on Koloko? Did he get tuberculosis or what?


Everything is just speculation from what I found but TB actually seems plausible from the time frame and would maybe explain the vagueness around disclosing exactly what the problem is. I guess he broke his nose badly last year but IDK how that could explain it.

I would be perfectly fine moving Beasley if he had value but legitimately what is he worth on an expiring min contract? I don't want a future 2nd pick, he isn't bringing back a 1st and doesn't make enough money to bring any current contributors.
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Post#127 » by Milbucks96 » Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:14 pm

kanyon wrote:It's weird how people think Pat is great to solid defender when the numbers show he's one of the worst. Even Hubie last night was talking about how good his defense is... As we got blown out. Is it just because he goes flying around/giving 'energy and effort' even if it's pointless?

I think it’s just his reputation taking a while to catch up with his actual performance now. He’s never been a great/good defender, but he was better than people thought. He was one of those guys that players would think they can iso on over and over but really it was disrupting their offense and he would get enough stops, plus his rebounding was good for his position.

All that said, that Pat is gone sadly. I was advocating for him being starter before the season but he’s a shell of himself.
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Post#128 » by Daver » Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:37 pm

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Fotis St wrote:Beasley is untradeable right now ... the only reason we won so many games is that Beasley is replacing Khris scoring ... so no, Portis and Beasley are now too important for our team and on team friendly contracts... trading them will create problems that they are solving for us right now and people don't realize. (3p shooting, scoring, rebounds). A no blood fix for us as I said ... is benching Brook (start Portis) after the trade deadline if not traded. Additionally run Khris with the 2nd squad more and play Marjon or AJJ more with the starters. We need to get rid of the $****d drop defense immediately


Beas isnt going to shoot 47% from 3 for the year. Hes absolutely going to regress. His defense wont get better to compensate. Hes absolutely tradable, unless you dont think Khris will stay healthy



Lmfao alot of you have been saying tbe same schticksince week 2 of the NBA season.So far he has shot better week after week.I guess if you keep replaying the same tune week after week if n when it does happen .You csn say see i told you so
This could be beasleys best shooting year i mean 48% from 3 .No way am i trading that. Just to give AJJ or marjon more mins thats hilarious
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Post#129 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:44 pm

Daver wrote:
soxperry wrote:
Fotis St wrote:Beasley is untradeable right now ... the only reason we won so many games is that Beasley is replacing Khris scoring ... so no, Portis and Beasley are now too important for our team and on team friendly contracts... trading them will create problems that they are solving for us right now and people don't realize. (3p shooting, scoring, rebounds). A no blood fix for us as I said ... is benching Brook (start Portis) after the trade deadline if not traded. Additionally run Khris with the 2nd squad more and play Marjon or AJJ more with the starters. We need to get rid of the $****d drop defense immediately


Beas isnt going to shoot 47% from 3 for the year. Hes absolutely going to regress. His defense wont get better to compensate. Hes absolutely tradable, unless you dont think Khris will stay healthy



Lmfao alot of you have been saying tbe same schticksince week 2 of the NBA season.So far he has shot better week after week.I guess if you keep replaying the same tune week after week if n when it does happen .You csn say see i told you so
This could be beasleys best shooting year i mean 48% from 3 .No way am i trading that. Just to give AJJ or marjon more mins thats hilarious


So you're cool with the defense being absolute trash and not winning a title?

If we deal Beas, it's to increase assets and open a salary slot for his replacement, a player that can defend and is playoff rotation caliber.
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Post#130 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:47 pm

Krispy Kreme wrote:Beasley is cheap and is having arguably his best season while providing desperately needed shooting. He’s not the guy you move.


We have a bunch of guys shooting 40% from 3, and there doing it without the completely unguarded looks Beas gets.
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Post#131 » by EasyE31 » Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:49 pm

RiotPunch wrote:I don't see the Bulls moving Caruso for Beef Stew, and if they would, Pistons would surely find a higher bidder for Caruso in the draft asset department, IMO. Only way is a Bobby-centric package. I get banking on them being inept organizations, though.

MKE: Caruso, Craig, Vezenkov
SAC: Portis, Payne
CHI: Mitchell, Beauchamp, SAC '26 1st (lottery protected), PDX '24 2nd

Spitballing.


How about:

MKE: Caruso, Carter
LAC: Portis, Payne
CHI: Beauchamp, Mann, Hyland, Portland 2nd, LAC 24 2nd
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Post#132 » by theFireBlanket » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:01 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Daver wrote:
soxperry wrote:
Beas isnt going to shoot 47% from 3 for the year. Hes absolutely going to regress. His defense wont get better to compensate. Hes absolutely tradable, unless you dont think Khris will stay healthy



Lmfao alot of you have been saying tbe same schticksince week 2 of the NBA season.So far he has shot better week after week.I guess if you keep replaying the same tune week after week if n when it does happen .You csn say see i told you so
This could be beasleys best shooting year i mean 48% from 3 .No way am i trading that. Just to give AJJ or marjon more mins thats hilarious


So you're cool with the defense being absolute trash and not winning a title?

If we deal Beas, it's to increase assets and open a salary slot for his replacement, a player that can defend and is playoff rotation caliber.


Or you need a coach willing to walk Bryn Forbes 2.0 back to the bench.
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Post#133 » by FrieAaron » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:16 pm

Not sure how anyone could be so quick to move on from the most consistent 3 point shooter we've had on high volume. I get that he's not known as a strong defender, but at this point I don't think swapping him for Jrue straight up raises us above 20th in DRTG with this coach.
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Post#134 » by soxperry » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:18 pm

Im not saying trade Beasley just to get him off the team. Trade him if someone else really wants him and we can get better as a team as a result.

But either way, he cant be the starter in the playoffs. Absolutely cant happen.

Even at 47%, hes barely worth having on the court. Not with Dame at pg. I think some here are just so enamored with shooting (see: Green, AJ) that youre not seeing the bigger picture.

The team has many issues, our defense at starting SG is one of the biggest that is correctable.
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Post#135 » by EasyE31 » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:25 pm

soxperry wrote:Im not saying trade Beasley just to get him off the team. Trade him if someone else really wants him and we can get better as a team as a result.

But either way, he cant be the starter in the playoffs. Absolutely cant happen.

Even at 47%, hes barely worth having on the court. Not with Dame at pg. I think some here are just so enamored with shooting (see: Green, AJ) that youre not seeing the bigger picture.

The team has many issues, our defense at starting SG is one of the biggest that is correctable.


Dame/Beasley/Khris/Giannis/Brook is one of the highest net rating 5 man lineups in the league this season. Saying Beasley is barely worth having on the court is a wild take.

I agree an elite defender in that spot is probably better but the starters are NOT the problem. The bench gets torched every time we go away from that 5 man lineup.
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Post#136 » by Frank Nova » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:25 pm

Brook and Khris are problems too. We can’t just continue to give them free passes because of their prior successes. Khris as the offensive lead is becoming atrocious. He’s slow and turnover prone and when he’s not making shots he’s arguably not much better than Malik Beasley in other aspects on the court. And I’ve never seen Brook throw his hands up in total confusion as much as he has these 1st 40 some games. That’s gotta be lack of coaching but even still he just simply doesn’t look the same as he did just 1yr ago. I’m certainly not willing to just give up on the Giannis/Dame duo yet but the surrounding cast and the coaching staff really does need a major shakeup.
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Post#137 » by Profound23 » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:31 pm

I don't know how or if it's possible, but it would be nice to get Bruce Brown on this team.
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Post#138 » by theFireBlanket » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:34 pm

FrieAaron wrote:Not sure how anyone could be so quick to move on from the most consistent 3 point shooter we've had on high volume. I get that he's not known as a strong defender, but at this point I don't think swapping him for Jrue straight up raises us above 20th in DRTG with this coach.


Jrue would easily make that happen.
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Post#139 » by DingleJerry » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:34 pm

Frank Nova wrote:Brook and Khris are problems too. We can’t just continue to give them free passes because of their prior successes. Khris as the offensive lead is becoming atrocious. He’s slow and turnover prone and when he’s not making shots he’s arguably not much better than Malik Beasley in other aspects on the court. And I’ve never seen Brook throw his hands up in total confusion as much as he has these 1st 40 some games. That’s gotta be lack of coaching but even still he just simply doesn’t look the same as he did just 1yr ago. I’m certainly not willing to just give up on the Giannis/Dame duo yet but the surrounding cast and the coaching staff really does need a major shakeup.


Can say that for a lot of areas for the team and there is a big common denominator there. It also applies to Dame on his effort, D, general grumpiness, clunkiness on O, etc. LIke the posts above on him, this stuff hasn't applied in the past. He wouldn't have been consistently winning 45ish games, making WCF with much worse rosters than here, playing more functional team D than here (without Giannis on it) if he was this POS being described. There is one big common denominator on all this.
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Post#140 » by kanyon » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:55 pm

Any chance AJJ could someday play PG? He seems to have great court vision/knows what's going on at all times.

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