Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas -Trade Deadline Thursday 2 pm CT

[MiltownHawkeye]

Beasley is cheap and is having arguably his best season while providing desperately needed shooting. He’s not the guy you move.

We have a bunch of guys shooting 40% from 3

AJ Green is the only one you can kinda make this argument about. Making it sound like Marjon's shooting is comparable to Beasley's just on the basis of "well he's over 40%" is some insane agenda-posting

[rilamann]

It's weird how people think Pat is great to solid defender when the numbers show he's one of the worst. Even Hubie last night was talking about how good his defense is... As we got blown out. Is it just because he goes flying around/giving 'energy and effort' even if it's pointless?

This goes back to what I was saying in the game thread last night about how if I was the Bucks GM I would be trying to trade guys like Middleton and Pat ASAP and trying to get some sort of value for them while I still can.

Middleton and Pat are toast, but they haven't been toast long enough for a lot people around the NBA to realize it yet. You might still be able to get decent value for Middleton and Pat if you deal them before this upcoming trade deadline. If you hold on to them beyond this February, you aren't getting anything but scraps for them this offseason.

[emunney]

Has anything leaked on Koloko? Did he get tuberculosis or what?

Everything is just speculation from what I found but TB actually seems plausible from the time frame and would maybe explain the vagueness around disclosing exactly what the problem is. I guess he broke his nose badly last year but IDK how that could explain it.

I would be perfectly fine moving Beasley if he had value but legitimately what is he worth on an expiring min contract? I don't want a future 2nd pick, he isn't bringing back a 1st and doesn't make enough money to bring any current contributors.

I always have to remind myself that guys like Beasley don't have the right to refuse trades, so if anybody else was thinking that Beasley does because he's on a one year contract, and that was another reason he's unlikely to be moved, he doesn't and it isn't. But all the stuff Jay says above is very much applicable. The easiest scenario to imagine him being moved is the one where we get a guard upgrade and need his salary in there to make it work. It's hard to imagine it being plausible that we move him by himself for something that better suits our goals. He's worked too well for as cheap as he is.

[GoldenAntlers]

Can't help but wonder what's the best package we can get for Khris, Brook, and Pat?

[nagawicka]

PJ does not like the cold. He also does not like being glued to the bench.

PJ Tucker loves Milwaukee so much the cold doesn’t matter, wtf.

[soxperry]

All im saying is: Put a proven vet defensive SG in the starting lineup and give Beasley's shots to Dame, Giannis and Khris. Probably very similar efficiency and a step up on D.

I would bet good money that that one move is a net positive

[soxperry]

We will probably never agree on Beas though.

Heres a question:

Who is the worst vet shooting guard that you would trade Dre and Portland 2nd for?

[SupremeHustle]

We will probably never agree on Beas though.

Heres a question:

Who is the worst vet shooting guard that you would trade Dre and Portland 2nd for?

Trey Murphy. My boy Kevin Huerter. My recently exonerated main man Josh Giddey.

[MickeyDavis]

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[nagawicka]

Not sure how anyone could be so quick to move on from the most consistent 3 point shooter we've had on high volume. I get that he's not known as a strong defender, but at this point I don't think swapping him for Jrue straight up raises us above 20th in DRTG with this coach.

Jrue would easily make that happen.

No he wouldn’t. Jru wouldn’t sign off on a trade back.

[paulpressey25]

Any chance AJJ could someday play PG? He seems to have great court vision/knows what's going on at all times.

No. Otherwise he'd already be a PG.

And from watching him try to bring the ball up under pressure a number of times last year, he got his pocket picked.

[nagawicka]

Bruce Brown does a lot of those necessary role player things, and has some traits like pat: rebounds, hustles, cuts on time, isn’t afraid of the moment.

We’ve brought in a bunch of dudes who we thought would help, and then shriveled up in the playoffs once the physicality was boosted and the pressure was on: Mirotic, Marvin (probably unfair, since he was a buyout), Bobby to an extent, crowder last year, Bledsoe, etc.

Bruce Brown is like a better defending pat, and would clearly provide value to us; however, he’s not a good enough defender to cause teams to worry about him. I really just want a dude on the defensive end that will cause the other team to be fully aware of where he is on the court. We had that in Jrue, and I’d like to get someone who causes chaos on that end.

Our offense should be fine with the top-end talent we have either way.

Jimmy Butler was fully aware of where Jrue was on the court in the playoffs.

Is your point that Jrue wasn’t an elite defender, or that elite defenders can get cooked by superstars sometimes?

There was obviously a lot more going on scheme-wise and team-wise in terms of breakdowns, as opposed to ‘Jrue-can’t shutdown Jimmy’ which is sort of asinine on its face. This was UNDER BUD. The defense malfunctioning didn’t start w/ Griff, it was pretty obvious Jrue had had enough.

[rayallenscalves]

I admittedly don't feel great about this trade, but it does make our D substantially better this year while clearing a bunch of money and getting us younger next year.

MKE in: Isaac, Fultz, Wendell, Okeke, 1st in '24 and/or 25, 2nd in '24
ORL in: Middleton, Portis, Conny, RoLo

Dame/Fultz/Cam
Beasley/AJax/Green
Jae/Marjon/Okeke
Giannis/Isaac
Brook/Carter Jr

[mlloyd10]

I don't see any situation where we trade Middleton at all.

[DingleJerry]

I don't see any situation where we trade Middleton at all.

Agree. If they decide to keep coach but are open to a core shakeup trade I would guess it would be Brook. If the coach is blaming it on personnel and management is trusting him, Brook is the one I'd think they'd explore. Him for a wing/G or even stretch 4 type in the same ballpark salary area or two smaller contracts to get more athleticism on the floor. I have no idea who that would be. But if they're sticking with this more aggressive style a move like that would align with it, as would Giannis drastically increasing his C minutes. But either way, if you're guarding/attacking elite ballhandlers 25-30 ft from the hoop with today's rules you're gonna get smoked anyway.

[Daver]

I admittedly don't feel great about this trade, but it does make our D substantially better this year while clearing a bunch of money and getting us younger next year.

MKE in: Isaac, Fultz, Wendell, Okeke, 1st in '24 and/or 25, 2nd in '24
ORL in: Middleton, Portis, Conny, RoLo

Dame/Fultz/Cam
Beasley/Green/Okeke
AJax/Marjon/Okeke
Giannis/Isaac
Brook/Carter Jr

Omg Ajax as a starting 3 way to funny midds isnt going anywhere and if he does shouldnt wouldnt be for this package.Ajax at the 3 dude csnt play 3 mins n not pick up 4 fouls

[Daver]

I don't see any situation where we trade Middleton at all.

Agree. If they decide to keep coach but are open to a core shakeup trade I would guess it would be Brook. If the coach is blaming it on personnel and management is trusting him, Brook is the one I'd think they'd explore. Him for a wing/G or even stretch 4 type in the same ballpark salary area or two smaller contracts to get more athleticism on the floor. I have no idea who that would be. But if they're sticking with this more aggressive style a move like that would align with it, as would Giannis drastically increasing his C minutes. But either way, if you're guarding/attacking elite ballhandlers 25-30 ft from the hoop with today's rule you're gonna get smoked anyway.

Think your last srntence is something this whole board brought up guarding dudes 25-30 feet from the basket and have seen giannis n brook both do thst.
What ass clown coach other than our very own calls out your best 2 big defenders to play quick guards out by tbe 3 pt line.
They were our 2 best defenders last year down low.
Bet any coach with 2 alive brain cells would scheme a D with brook n giannis in tbe paint.This ehole lame ass D we are seeing is much much more coaching than personal

[Fotis St]

Im not saying trade Beasley just to get him off the team. Trade him if someone else really wants him and we can get better as a team as a result.

But either way, he cant be the starter in the playoffs. Absolutely cant happen.

Even at 47%, hes barely worth having on the court. Not with Dame at pg. I think some here are just so enamored with shooting (see: Green, AJ) that youre not seeing the bigger picture.

The team has many issues, our defense at starting SG is one of the biggest that is correctable.

Last time we had a SG like Beasley (Forbes) , he literally outscored Jimmy Butler for the whole series we swept them and won the Championship. Defense at the SG position is the least of worries Bucks have since all our opponents stars are Forwards.

[rayallenscalves]

I admittedly don't feel great about this trade, but it does make our D substantially better this year while clearing a bunch of money and getting us younger next year.

MKE in: Isaac, Fultz, Wendell, Okeke, 1st in '24 and/or 25, 2nd in '24
ORL in: Middleton, Portis, Conny, RoLo

Dame/Fultz/Cam
Beasley/AJax/Green
Jae/Marjon/Okeke
Giannis/Isaac
Brook/Carter Jr

Let's keep going! Follow this up with the trade below:

MKE in: Wiggins, Moody, future 2nd
GS in: Brook, Marjon

Dame/Fultz/Cam
Moody/Beasley/Green
Wiggins/Jae/AJax
Giannis/Jae/PJ (buyout)
Wendell/Isaac

I know the likelihood of moving either Midds or Brook is low, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be explored. This lineup is younger, much better defensively (especially in this "system"), and with less long-term money.

[bucksfansince88]

I admittedly don't feel great about this trade, but it does make our D substantially better this year while clearing a bunch of money and getting us younger next year.

MKE in: Isaac, Fultz, Wendell, Okeke, 1st in '24 and/or 25, 2nd in '24
ORL in: Middleton, Portis, Conny, RoLo

Dame/Fultz/Cam
Beasley/AJax/Green
Jae/Marjon/Okeke
Giannis/Isaac
Brook/Carter Jr

Let's keep going! Follow this up with the trade below:

MKE in: Wiggins, Moody, future 2nd
GS in: Brook, Marjon

Dame/Fultz/Cam
Moody/Beasley/Green
Wiggins/Jae/AJax
Giannis/Jae/PJ (buyout)
Wendell/Isaac

I know the likelihood of moving either Midds or Brook is low, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be explored. This lineup is younger, much better defensively (especially in this "system"), and with less long-term money.

I was just about to post an idea with Midds and GSW.

MKE: Wiggins, Draymond Green, B. Podziemski, Moody. + 2 2nd rd picks
GSW: Middleton, Brook, Beasley