Coby White has leveled up

[Mbrahv0528]

I don't see the Parker comparison, because Tony had no 3pt game at all.

I see Coby making the move from a 4th quartile starting level talent last season to a 2nd quartile starting PG talent this season. That's impressive as he did it by elevating 2 key weaknesses last season (ball handling and shooting 3's off the dribble). And last season he elevated his defense from below average to slightly above average.

What's his ceiling? Hard to tell. I could see him hitting the fringe-allstar level like one of my favorite players, Jalen Brunson (man, I wish we got that guy instead of Ball!).

He's already a fringe all-star with this level of play. Legitimate All-Star is more in line with his ceiling of he keeps this up (and there's no reason why he shouldn't as he more than passes the eye test).

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It's murky as to who's a PG these days and how one measures "better", but I have him a definite notch below allstar level. He's not on par with the group including:

Ja
SGA
Hali
Curry
Maxey
Mitchell
Brunson
Ball

Arguably behind
Harden
Trae
Holiday
FVV
Kyre

That would make him a fringe All Star, you're agreeing with me then.

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[rosenthall]

Right now I think Coby is sort of like the Macy's Maxey. Not as good, but a reasonably close replica in terms of style-of-play and impact.

[sco]

He's already a fringe all-star with this level of play. Legitimate All-Star is more in line with his ceiling of he keeps this up (and there's no reason why he shouldn't as he more than passes the eye test).

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It's murky as to who's a PG these days and how one measures "better", but I have him a definite notch below allstar level. He's not on par with the group including:

Ja
SGA
Hali
Curry
Maxey
Mitchell
Brunson
Ball

Arguably behind
Harden
Trae
Holiday
FVV
Kyre

That would make him a fringe All Star, you're agreeing with me then.

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If by fringe allstar you mean somewhere between the 9th and 16th best at his position, then, ok. I usually put it at top 5.

[RSP83]

I don't see the Parker comparison, because Tony had no 3pt game at all.

I see Coby making the move from a 4th quartile starting level talent last season to a 2nd quartile starting PG talent this season. That's impressive as he did it by elevating 2 key weaknesses last season (ball handling and shooting 3's off the dribble). And last season he elevated his defense from below average to slightly above average.

What's his ceiling? Hard to tell. I could see him hitting the fringe-allstar level like one of my favorite players, Jalen Brunson (man, I wish we got that guy instead of Ball!).

He's already a fringe all-star with this level of play. Legitimate All-Star is more in line with his ceiling of he keeps this up (and there's no reason why he shouldn't as he more than passes the eye test).

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It's murky as to who's a PG these days and how one measures "better", but I have him a definite notch below allstar level. He's not on par with the group including:

Ja
SGA
Hali
Curry
Maxey
Mitchell
Brunson
Ball

Arguably behind
Harden
Trae
Holiday
FVV
Kyre

I'd take him over FVV. The rest is ahead of Coby. But guys like Kyrie, Holiday, Harden, Curry will slide due to age in 2-3 years.

[FriedRise]

Well yeah of course he’s not on par with any of those guys… yet. This is his first year starting and playing as the lead guard, a lot of growing pains.

Give it a year or two and I’ll bet he’ll be in the same tier. He’s shown more than enough to not make it.

[sco]

Well yeah of course he’s not on par with any of those guys… yet. This is his first year starting and playing as the lead guard, a lot of growing pains.

Give it a year or two and I’ll bet he’ll be in the same tier. He’s shown more than enough to not make it.

My comment was focused on right now. I think he'll get into the top 8 in a couple years.

[Stratmaster]

Coby's improvement vs. last year:
ppg: 9.8 to 18.6
apg: 2.8 to 4.9
rpg: 2.9 to 4.5
fgp: .443 to .454
3fgp: .372 to .397
to: 1.0 to 2.1
a/to: 2.9 to 2.3
mpg: 23.4 to 35.4
usg%: 17.9 to 22.4

Pretty amazing jump by Coby this year. He doubles his production in all areas and increase his efficiency at the same time (fg% 3fg%, a/to).

This is different from Jordan Poole type jump, where efficiency decreases with increased usage. This is Jordan Poole last year (career high):
ppg: 20.4
a/to: 1.4
usg%: 29
fgp: .430
3fgp: .336

points, usage up. Efficiency drops.

Coby is becoming a very good NBA player. Fringe All-Star at this point. I didn't buy this at the time, but Will Purdue mentioned Coby reminds him of Tony Parker. Now I can see where he comes from. Both are scorers who does it efficiently. I think Coby's ceiling is a bit higher than Parker. I don't think that's ridiculous, Parker was good but not that special, he played with the best PF ever for one of the best team of that era, his legacy is a bit inflated.

I don't see the Parker comparison, because Tony had no 3pt game at all.

I see Coby making the move from a 4th quartile starting level talent last season to a 2nd quartile starting PG talent this season. That's impressive as he did it by elevating 2 key weaknesses last season (ball handling and shooting 3's off the dribble). And last season he elevated his defense from below average to slightly above average.

What's his ceiling? Hard to tell. I could see him hitting the fringe-allstar level like one of my favorite players, Jalen Brunson (man, I wish we got that guy instead of Ball!).

He's already a fringe all-star with this level of play. Legitimate All-Star is more in line with his ceiling if he keeps this up (and there's no reason why he shouldn't as he more than passes the eye test).

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A fringe all star? For what?

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[PJSteven22]

I don't see the Parker comparison, because Tony had no 3pt game at all.

I see Coby making the move from a 4th quartile starting level talent last season to a 2nd quartile starting PG talent this season. That's impressive as he did it by elevating 2 key weaknesses last season (ball handling and shooting 3's off the dribble). And last season he elevated his defense from below average to slightly above average.

What's his ceiling? Hard to tell. I could see him hitting the fringe-allstar level like one of my favorite players, Jalen Brunson (man, I wish we got that guy instead of Ball!).

He's already a fringe all-star with this level of play. Legitimate All-Star is more in line with his ceiling if he keeps this up (and there's no reason why he shouldn't as he more than passes the eye test).

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A fringe all star? For what?

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Sorry to break it to you but Coby has been playing like a fringe all star for the last 25 games.

[Wingy]

It’s cool this even needs to be discussed and debated.

[sco]

He's already a fringe all-star with this level of play. Legitimate All-Star is more in line with his ceiling if he keeps this up (and there's no reason why he shouldn't as he more than passes the eye test).

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A fringe all star? For what?

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Sorry to break it to you but Coby has been playing like a fringe all star for the last 25 games.

OK, I'm going to give up my quest to bring people around on my definition of fringe all star.

I'll say that I'd be happy if he can somehow play at the level of Hali, Dame, Mitchell, Ja and SGA. He's not there yet, but his progress from being in the bottom quartile of PG's to the 2nd quartile is great.

[The Explorer]

Hilarious that the last remaining Garpax pick is the best player on the team all these years later. I am the biggest Garpaxdorf hater, but this just shows how bad AKME has been since they arrived.

[Stratmaster]

He's already a fringe all-star with this level of play. Legitimate All-Star is more in line with his ceiling if he keeps this up (and there's no reason why he shouldn't as he more than passes the eye test).

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A fringe all star? For what?

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Sorry to break it to you but Coby has been playing like a fringe all star for the last 25 games.

Lol. Ok. Sure.

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[Stratmaster]

He's already a fringe all-star with this level of play. Legitimate All-Star is more in line with his ceiling if he keeps this up (and there's no reason why he shouldn't as he more than passes the eye test).

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A fringe all star? For what?

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Sorry to break it to you but Coby has been playing like a fringe all star for the last 25 games.

Coby per 36 is almost the exact player he was last season. The differences?

-He is shooting 3% better from 3
-He is taking 2 more shots per 36
-He is scoring 3 more points per36
-He is turning the ball over more this season. But his usage is higher...so...
-he is getting less steals

That's it. That's the difference.

He has a 14.7 PER and a .583 TS%

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[Chi town]

A fringe all star? For what?

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Sorry to break it to you but Coby has been playing like a fringe all star for the last 25 games.

Coby per 36 is almost the exact player he was last season. The differences?

-He is shooting 3% better from 3
-He is taking 2 more shots per 36
-He is scoring 3 more points per36
-He is turning the ball over more this season. But his usage is higher...so...
-he is getting less steals

That's it. That's the difference.

He has a 14.7 PER and a .583 TS%

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You think Coby would be best at PG or SG?

[sco]

Sorry to break it to you but Coby has been playing like a fringe all star for the last 25 games.

Coby per 36 is almost the exact player he was last season. The differences?

-He is shooting 3% better from 3
-He is taking 2 more shots per 36
-He is scoring 3 more points per36
-He is turning the ball over more this season. But his usage is higher...so...
-he is getting less steals

That's it. That's the difference.

He has a 14.7 PER and a .583 TS%

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You think Coby would be best at PG or SG?

That's a good question. I think the right answer is - it depends on who we have playing next to him. If we keep Zach, then PG. If we could trade for a very good PG like Murray then SG. The good news is that I think he could thrive at either position. The other good news is that you can roll with 2 playmaking "lead guards" in today's NBA, it's just hard to go with 3 ball-dominant starters.

[Jcool0]

A fringe all star? For what?

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Sorry to break it to you but Coby has been playing like a fringe all star for the last 25 games.

Coby per 36 is almost the exact player he was last season. The differences?

-He is shooting 3% better from 3
-He is taking 2 more shots per 36
-He is scoring 3 more points per36
-He is turning the ball over more this season. But his usage is higher...so...
-he is getting less steals

That's it. That's the difference.

He has a 14.7 PER and a .583 TS%

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22.3 ppg on 47/40/81 with 5.8 rebounds and 5.6 assists in last 25 games.

[Stratmaster]

Sorry to break it to you but Coby has been playing like a fringe all star for the last 25 games.

Coby per 36 is almost the exact player he was last season. The differences?

-He is shooting 3% better from 3
-He is taking 2 more shots per 36
-He is scoring 3 more points per36
-He is turning the ball over more this season. But his usage is higher...so...
-he is getting less steals

That's it. That's the difference.

He has a 14.7 PER and a .583 TS%

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22.3 ppg on 47/40/81 with 5.8 rebounds and 5.6 assists in last 25 games.

Last 10 games:
18.6 ppg on 45.5/39.7 with 4.5 rebounds, 4.9 assists, 2.4 turnovers

Are we going with recency or the season?

Listen, I'm going to say it again. Coby is a favorite of mine. I think he is playing great overall. But let's not get carried away with the "all-star caliber" stuff.

[Stratmaster]

Sorry to break it to you but Coby has been playing like a fringe all star for the last 25 games.

Coby per 36 is almost the exact player he was last season. The differences?

-He is shooting 3% better from 3
-He is taking 2 more shots per 36
-He is scoring 3 more points per36
-He is turning the ball over more this season. But his usage is higher...so...
-he is getting less steals

That's it. That's the difference.

He has a 14.7 PER and a .583 TS%

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You think Coby would be best at PG or SG?

With this exact roster? He should play the 1 and be the point about 70% of the time, with whoever is playing the 2 (or 3) at the time taking the point 30% of the time (e.g. Lavine, Ayo, Caruso). If he is always playing point I think it takes reduces his catch and shoot 3 opps and also will be easier for the opposition to defend him.

On a well constructed contending roster? Combo Guard 6th man with his role depending on who the other guard/SF are at the time.

[coldfish]

Coby's net rating by year:
2020 -2.7
2021 -3.9
2022 -1.2
2023 +4.3
2024 +4.6

To me, this largely matches the eye test. He really wasn't that good early in his career. Outside of a hot streak shooting, he added very little. Over time he has got better with his handle and his defense.

To no one's surprise, Coby, Caruso and Patrick have the best net ratings on the team this year. Vucevic, Lavine and Demar are all negative.

No one's numbers are all star level though either in on/off or box score related. Coby, Caruso and Patrick are third bananas and supporting cast for players better than them . . . which the Bulls do not have.

[Jcool0]

Coby per 36 is almost the exact player he was last season. The differences?

-He is shooting 3% better from 3
-He is taking 2 more shots per 36
-He is scoring 3 more points per36
-He is turning the ball over more this season. But his usage is higher...so...
-he is getting less steals

That's it. That's the difference.

He has a 14.7 PER and a .583 TS%

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22.3 ppg on 47/40/81 with 5.8 rebounds and 5.6 assists in last 25 games.

Last 10 games:
18.6 ppg on 45.5/39.7 with 4.5 rebounds, 4.9 assists, 2.4 turnovers

Are we going with recency or the season?

Listen, I'm going to say it again. Coby is a favorite of mine. I think he is playing great overall. But let's not get carried away with the "all-star caliber" stuff.

"Let me tell you how bad he is... But he is a favorite of mine."