Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

[Teffer10]

Can't believe anyone is even entertaining the idea of trading for Bridges.

I guess people are desperate for success and have good legal teams lol

I think there are some moral compasses that need to be recalibrated.

[41Dirk41]

Can't believe anyone is even entertaining the idea of trading for Bridges.

I guess people are desperate for success and have good legal teams lol

I think there are some moral compasses that need to be recalibrated.

Send an email to Silver.

If NBA let him play he will play, for us or for another team.
I don't care about his extra basketball issues, NBA and USA police have to.

[daoneandonly]

Can't believe anyone is even entertaining the idea of trading for Bridges.

I guess people are desperate for success and have good legal teams lol

I think there are some moral compasses that need to be recalibrated.

Agree with the no Bridges camp, but moral compass is subjective right? I mean PG13 and Anthony Edward's asked their partners to abort their children rather than own up to their responsibilities, I wouldn't want those guys here either. It's not like the NBA is knee deep in morality

[41Dirk41]

We are still on Wiggins...

[GermanFan120]

I'd rather have Bertans than freaking Wiggins.

[Teffer10]

I guess people are desperate for success and have good legal teams lol

I think there are some moral compasses that need to be recalibrated.

Agree with the no Bridges camp, but moral compass is subjective right? I mean PG13 and Anthony Edward's asked their partners to abort their children rather than own up to their responsibilities, I wouldn't want those guys here either. It's not like the NBA is knee deep in morality

Can't disagree about being subjective.
Some can kill babies with no 2nd thought but that is about as low as it can get in terms of morals in my opinion.
But I put beating up innocent family members a close 2nd.

I wouldn't want any of them on the Mavs, and quite frankly I have never been a Kidd fan for that very reason.

[Teffer10]

We are still on Wiggins...

Why???
The only deal I'd make for him would be Holmes/Maxi/Morris even though that is probably giving up too many bigs.

[41Dirk41]

We are still on Wiggins...

Why???
The only deal I'd make for him would be Holmes/Maxi/Morris even though that is probably giving up too many bigs.

I don't know... Probably he is a cheap target, the risk is so high. I know.

[daoneandonly]

I think there are some moral compasses that need to be recalibrated.

Agree with the no Bridges camp, but moral compass is subjective right? I mean PG13 and Anthony Edward's asked their partners to abort their children rather than own up to their responsibilities, I wouldn't want those guys here either. It's not like the NBA is knee deep in morality

Can't disagree about being subjective.
Some can kill babies with no 2nd thought but that is about as low as it can get in terms of morals in my opinion.
But I put beating up innocent family members a close 2nd.

I wouldn't want any of them on the Mavs, and quite frankly I have never been a Kidd fan for that very reason.

Couldn't have said it any better. Touche Teff

[daoneandonly]

Any chance with Minny's recent struggles they'd do Irving/Hardy for Towns/Milton? Would definitely improve the Mavs and think it would also balance out the Wolves more

[Maverick41]

Any chance with Minny's recent struggles they'd do Irving/Hardy for Towns/Milton? Would definitely improve the Mavs and think it would also balance out the Wolves more

I really doubt they make any moves like that until the offseason where they will be up against sigificant tax with McDaniel's extension kicking in. But yes if that trade is on the table, I would absolutely do it. Not because I like KAT or do not like Kyrie but because I like the fit more. And also because we can rely on KAT to play more games. Kyrie's injury woes are seriously hurting the team right now.

Low key problem would be that we would have the biggest complainer team in the NBA. Luka, G-Will AND KAT on the same team? Good luck to the refs.

[ozwizard8]

If Brooklyn is asking for 2 FRPs for DFS who has no particularly outstanding significant skillset whatsoever then THJ should be worth 4 FRPs based on the fact that he actually is an efficient scorer this year and a legit 6th man of the year candidate.

THJ was seen as a negative asset by most. Now he has 1.5 years left with slightly declining salary around $16-17m/year.He should be tradeable now but its hard to claim that he has a trade value.

A streaky shooter who cannot defend or finish at the rim. Teams rather go with 3&D players I am not a Bullock fan but he played decent defense for two years with Knicks and Mavs. That type of player with actual defense worths more for a playoff team.

DFS contract looked like a bargain last year. A solid defender that can play 3-4 and shoot 3pt on a good percentage. Since last year, he aged one more year. I am not sure if he still has the same worth. But I can see contenders throwing 1-2 late 1st round picks for him. Most likely one.
I'd not mind Mavs going after him for a top 20 protected first round pick or sth.

THJ is playing a good to very good year and is a legit 6th man of the year contender on as you mentioned a pretty reasonable salary in todays salary. He's also a player that can put up 30 something off the bench every now and then. That certainly has value.

DFS on the other hand was low efficiency and a solid but far from great defender in his last year for us and as you say has not gotten any better or younger since.

THJ playing a very good year, but DFS was far from a great defender huh? This really doesn't add up. After DFS traded and THJ kept our record is trash for last 1 year.
I dont think DFS is elite defender, but compared to other forwards, he is above average for sure. I mean you'd probably put him somewhere like top 10-20 best wing defender that can also shoot 3pt shots to play starter minutes.

THJ is not worst of the worst. He is not Bertans-level bad for the contract.

But we need to agree that some of our players to be playing less than their contract.
$100m is paid for Luka-Kyrie-THJ.

Many posters, perhaps including you defending Kyrie. Now you also suggest THJ is playing very good. Luka is great too. If Mavs have $100m/year worth of players who play very good, then this team should've been like the top 3 seed in the West.

- Luka is a top 5 MVP candidate, averaging almost a triple-double, he definitely worth that $40m/year.
- THJ is a streaky shooter. He cannot finish at the rim. He is below average on defense. He doesn't have the size to help rebounding, box-out. Looking around the league, there are 3&D players who can shoot 3s and offer better defense for that money. So I do not believe THJ to be playing very good for the given contract. At best THJ may be playing decent for that contract.
- Kyrie is missing half of the games anyway. Its not surprising though, this is the story of his last 6 years. When he is playing, there is no cohesion with Luka or rest of the team to prove he worths the MAX money for this team.

If you think Kyrie is good for the money but Luka-THJ is not good, it'd fit with the results.
If you think THJ is very good for the money but Kyrie sucks, then it'd fit with the results too.
But it doesn't make sense to say Kyrie-THJ doing good for the given $60m/year, and Luka is good for $40m/year. Because Mavs is not doing as great as that statement suggests.

[daoneandonly]

Any chance with Minny's recent struggles they'd do Irving/Hardy for Towns/Milton? Would definitely improve the Mavs and think it would also balance out the Wolves more

I really doubt they make any moves like that until the offseason where they will be up against sigificant tax with McDaniel's extension kicking in. But yes if that trade is on the table, I would absolutely do it. Not because I like KAT or do not like Kyrie but because I like the fit more. And also because we can rely on KAT to play more games. Kyrie's injury woes are seriously hurting the team right now.

Low key problem would be that we would have the biggest complainer team in the NBA. Luka, G-Will AND KAT on the same team? Good luck to the refs.

Yea I know it wont happen this season or at all even, but still holding out hope. Think Gobert/McDaniels is a solid enough frontcourt, and they have Slo Mo too, so adding Kyrie as Ant's backcourt mate could be intriguing for them. For us, KAT immediately solves the rebounding woes and cat stretch the floor being fed by Luka. Exum and DJJ man the 3/4 being the defensive guys.

But yes, i would hope they next move is to then deal Grant Williams for a backup PG

[Mavrelous]

Low key problem would be that we would have the biggest complainer team in the NBA. Luka, G-Will AND KAT on the same team? Good luck to the refs.

Luka and KAT have the worst body language in the NBA when frustrated, at least Luka can electrify when he's on, KAT comes off as a goof, but yeah, 0 chance Minny does this.

[41Dirk41]

I'm not so high on KAT too, he is a very good play for sure. No doubt about it.
But he is definitely not a #1 guy (28yo and no PO series win) ... So can he be a good #2 or just another KP?

[ozwizard8]

Low key problem would be that we would have the biggest complainer team in the NBA. Luka, G-Will AND KAT on the same team? Good luck to the refs.

Luka and KAT have the worst body language in the NBA when frustrated, at least Luka can electrify when he's on, KAT comes off as a goof, but yeah, 0 chance Minny does this.

The sad reality is Kyrie's trade worth. If you go around different fan bases and their forums, you can see that almost no one would accept Kyrie even if Mavs sent picks with him.

If Mavs had KAT-Lively frontcourt, I bet Luka would complain a lot less. Luka's frustration is due to Losses. It is not an easy transition from Real Madrid to here. Its not easy to digest to Mavs becoming borderline playoff team. This team used to be a lock for playoffs. Luka-Brunson-DFS-Dinwiddie roster made WCF.

[dirkforpres]

Any chance with Minny's recent struggles they'd do Irving/Hardy for Towns/Milton? Would definitely improve the Mavs and think it would also balance out the Wolves more

Neither team would do this. Having a secondary ball handler next to Luka is crucial to our success and its why this team was ass after they lost Brunson. Towns is not build for big moments at all and yeah it sucks that Kyrie is hurt, but Towns is just as injury prone, if not probably more.

[41Dirk41]

Any chance with Minny's recent struggles they'd do Irving/Hardy for Towns/Milton? Would definitely improve the Mavs and think it would also balance out the Wolves more

Neither team would do this. Having a secondary ball handler next to Luka is crucial to our success and its why this team was ass after they lost Brunson. Towns is not build for big moments at all and yeah it sucks that Kyrie is hurt, but Towns is just as injury prone, if not probably more.

Agree.

Plus i don't think Towns-Lively work in PO... it would have made more sense trade the pick for Towns last off season.

[joesha1698]

Low key problem would be that we would have the biggest complainer team in the NBA. Luka, G-Will AND KAT on the same team? Good luck to the refs.

Luka and KAT have the worst body language in the NBA when frustrated, at least Luka can electrify when he's on, KAT comes off as a goof, but yeah, 0 chance Minny does this.

The sad reality is Kyrie's trade worth. If you go around different fan bases and their forums, you can see that almost no one would accept Kyrie even if Mavs sent picks with him.

If Mavs had KAT-Lively frontcourt, I bet Luka would complain a lot less. Luka's frustration is due to Losses. It is not an easy transition from Real Madrid to here. Its not easy to digest to Mavs becoming borderline playoff team. This team used to be a lock for playoffs. Luka-Brunson-DFS-Dinwiddie roster made WCF.

I know the Lakers would accept Kyrie and I highly doubt Lakers fan would not. Kyrie is weapon X. You keep him and unleash him in the playoffs. If the Lakers could get Kyrie with AD and Lebron (and keep most of their defensive depth) they would be championship contenders.

Luka's frustration is due to immaturity. He's 24 years old and needs to grow up and act like a real leader. If Brunson liked playing with Luka so much he would have done more to stay. As for DFS and Dinwiddie - having tall/athletic guys who can play defense/handle the ball/ score is very important in this every so tall league. That was the price the front office paid to get Kyrie after losing Brunson. The logic is that its harder to replace a Brunson and easier to get two guys like Dinwiddie and DFS in the future. That logic is sound - as long as the front office does what it needs to do.

[BliscoSantos]

Luka and KAT have the worst body language in the NBA when frustrated, at least Luka can electrify when he's on, KAT comes off as a goof, but yeah, 0 chance Minny does this.

The sad reality is Kyrie's trade worth. If you go around different fan bases and their forums, you can see that almost no one would accept Kyrie even if Mavs sent picks with him.

If Mavs had KAT-Lively frontcourt, I bet Luka would complain a lot less. Luka's frustration is due to Losses. It is not an easy transition from Real Madrid to here. Its not easy to digest to Mavs becoming borderline playoff team. This team used to be a lock for playoffs. Luka-Brunson-DFS-Dinwiddie roster made WCF.

I know the Lakers would accept Kyrie and I highly doubt Lakers fan would not. Kyrie is weapon X. You keep him and unleash him in the playoffs. If the Lakers could get Kyrie with AD and Lebron (and keep most of their defensive depth) they would be championship contenders.

Luka's frustration is due to immaturity. He's 24 years old and needs to grow up and act like a real leader. If Brunson liked playing with Luka so much he would have done more to stay. As for DFS and Dinwiddie - having tall/athletic guys who can play defense/handle the ball/ score is very important in this every so tall league. That was the price the front office paid to get Kyrie after losing Brunson. The logic is that its harder to replace a Brunson and easier to get two guys like Dinwiddie and DFS in the future. That logic is sound - as long as the front office does what it needs to do.

Dinwiddie a good defender...you must be kidding...he was a bad defender,only thing he had on Kai was size...People really don't give Kyrie enough credit on D... he's a good defender, he's just small...he has troubles against stronger,bigger guards...his D on Steph and similar PG is good