2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD

[Mark_83]

I'm not sure what to think of Knecht. The size and shot-making ability are intriguing but I don't know how well his game will translate to the next level against longer, stronger, and quicker athletes.

I look at a guy like Weiskamp from his time in Iowa. He had comparable size to Knecht (6'6" 212lbs vs 6'6" 197lbs) but was longer (6'11" wingspan) and more athletic (42 inch max vert), and he's basically been G League fodder.

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Granted Knecht is a better ball handler than JW but I'd argue Wieskamp was a more pure shooter from three (career 46.7/41.2/77.1 vs 47.1/38/77.6), and he was only 21 when he was drafted vs Knecht who will almost be 23 in June.

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I do like Knecht's competitiveness and confidence which I think will help him in the same way it has other guys of that archetype like Grayson Allen, DiVencenzo, and Herro, but do I really want to bet on that?

Isn't Furphy a younger, taller Knecht with more potential? I'd draft Knecht at #31 or as high as the Clipper pick. Maybe he could be Grayson Allen 2.0?

#6 - Topic, Salaun
Indiana - Furphy, Ivisic
LAC - Ajinca
#31 - Edey, Hall

Not sure if Knecht is a great comp. Furphy is much more bouncy and athletic and has less shot creation. He's also rail thin whereas Knecht is really strong and thick. Based on his current skillset and size my best comp is probably Trey Murphy (skinny, tall, athletic, spot up shooter).

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Buzelis scares me as a prospect, I wouldn't touch him until end of lotto. Right now he is riding off the hype train around him as a teenager and his length but the guy doesn't have the functional strength to deal with NBA players in the paint and appears to be a bit slow when he puts the ball on the floor, so I can only imagine that becoming worse if he fills out his frame with 30 lbs. He's neither explosive or smooth, processes a bit slowly and has a long release on the shot. The poor shooting in the g-league is kind of surprising because he shot really well at prep school. Even if the shooting comes back I feel like people are being swayed by his frame and not paying attention to the small things in his game which are off-putting. Right now I'd bet that he ends up as a rotation player at best.

[Kevin Willis]

The poster that talked about Nikola Topic looking like poor man's Shai had an excellent comparison. I went back to look at Shai in college and compared it to Topic now and they both have that herky jerky, slithering, annoying movement to them. Even measurements are similar, both are 6'6" with a 7 foot wingspan. Topic can be a thief and should be a decent rebounder. I remember him from a couple years ago but he's really improved.

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[Reeko]

Nbadraft.net has us taking Knecht with the 6th pick lol. I then looked at his age, dude is almost 23 years old and a senior. No way do the Raptors take a guy like that early in the lottery.

Edit: They've also got Sheppard, Salaun, and Topic going 15, 16, 17 respectively. That's crazy, those guys are all likely lottery picks in my opinion.

[Bruin]

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[RoteSchroder]

Carter at the end of the day is a 6'3 188 lb shooting guard who isn't particularly good at shooting. #20 overall is insanity. Would consider in 2nd round, not an NBA starter and McBride/Alvarado comps look closer to his ceiling and not his floor.

I wouldn't mind drafting him, preferably at the OKC/LAC pick.

I think his ceiling is higher than McBride/Alvarado. Longer wingspan than both. His verticality is apparent. Averages 2-3 times more rebounds than either player (9.4 REB per 40) and more blocks (Alvarado averaged 0-0.1 BLKs in college). Better defensive rating and DBPM than both players.

He could be closer to the Marcus Smart/Suggs/Bruce Brown mold of players where they provide defense and are low level role players on O. Carter's rebounding and block averages are higher than all players mentioned.

Also should be noted that Carter has shown bigger year-to-year jumps in improvement than Alvarado/McBride, which is a good sign.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[Mark_83]

Carter at the end of the day is a 6'3 188 lb shooting guard who isn't particularly good at shooting. #20 overall is insanity. Would consider in 2nd round, not an NBA starter and McBride/Alvarado comps look closer to his ceiling and not his floor.

I wouldn't mind drafting him, preferably at the OKC/LAC pick.

I think his ceiling is higher than McBride/Alvarado. Longer wingspan than both. His verticality is apparent. Averages 2-3 times more rebounds than either player (9.4 REB per 40) and more blocks (Alvarado averaged 0-0.1 BLKs in college). Better defensive rating and DBPM than both players.

He could be closer to the Marcus Smart/Suggs/Bruce Brown mold of players where they provide defense and are low level role players on O. Carter's rebounding and block averages are higher than all players mentioned.

Also should be noted that Carter has shown bigger year-to-year jumps in improvement than Alvarado/McBride, which is a good sign.

My comp for him is a mix of De'Anthony Melton with dash of Alex Caruso.

[grant101]

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What a frustrating prospect. He's got all the potential in the world but disappears within and between games. Wish he would string together a few more efforts like this.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Carter at the end of the day is a 6'3 188 lb shooting guard who isn't particularly good at shooting. #20 overall is insanity. Would consider in 2nd round, not an NBA starter and McBride/Alvarado comps look closer to his ceiling and not his floor.

I wouldn't mind drafting him, preferably at the OKC/LAC pick.

I think his ceiling is higher than McBride/Alvarado. Longer wingspan than both. His verticality is apparent. Averages 2-3 times more rebounds than either player (9.4 REB per 40) and more blocks (Alvarado averaged 0-0.1 BLKs in college). Better defensive rating and DBPM than both players.

He could be closer to the Marcus Smart/Suggs/Bruce Brown mold of players where they provide defense and are low level role players on O. Carter's rebounding and block averages are higher than all players mentioned.

Also should be noted that Carter has shown bigger year-to-year jumps in improvement than Alvarado/McBride, which is a good sign.

Fair enough but I don't think the defensive rebounding numbers will translate to the NBA merely because he won't get the opportunity to be prolific on the defensive glass given positioning and playing with legit bigs (Providence is a small team). He should still be an above average rebounder for a guard in the NBA for sure and could be the type of guy that if a team is giving up a ton of offensive boards will from time to time just will himself to finally being like "screw this" and go grab one. I really don't buy his shooting but I suppose I've been convinced after thinking about it that maybe #20 isn't too early for him since his USG at Providence is so high and if it comes way down and he mostly operates off-ball and as a defender then maybe there's a shot he can work his way into a lineup. We might even see better defensive metrics with more limited responsibilities on offense which is scary. We're gonna need a number of defensive chess pieces anyway because our team is too loaded when it comes to offense right now. I could see him providing a lot more value than GTJ, even though GTJ is flaming hot from deep right now he's still GTJ and doesn't do much other than let it rip whereas Carter has a fair degree of multi-dimensional impact.

Ultimately I'm down with taking him as the athleticism, wingspan, energy and effort all pop.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Carter would probably annihilate a guy like Tyler Kolek 1v1

[Rapsfan07]

Buzelis scares me as a prospect, I wouldn't touch him until end of lotto. Right now he is riding off the hype train around him as a teenager and his length but the guy doesn't have the functional strength to deal with NBA players in the paint and appears to be a bit slow when he puts the ball on the floor, so I can only imagine that becoming worse if he fills out his frame with 30 lbs. He's neither explosive or smooth, processes a bit slowly and has a long release on the shot. The poor shooting in the g-league is kind of surprising because he shot really well at prep school. Even if the shooting comes back I feel like people are being swayed by his frame and not paying attention to the small things in his game which are off-putting. Right now I'd bet that he ends up as a rotation player at best.

Agreed. I don't think he's going to be successful in the league.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Yeah you know what screw it, I can see Devin Carter being like a +2 BPM player in the league which is definitely worth #20 overall. Take my money.

[Rapsfan07]

That's good. Means that someone would theoretically drop to us.

Why would that be good though if he's the player we might want? I wouldn't be happy to miss out on him just to have a chance at Ja'kobe Walter or Ron Holland.

I like Salaun, don't get me wrong but every year one of these long, athletic wings shoot up the board. This year it's him.

Yeah, but they tend to shoot up for a reason. Scottie wasnt considered a top 5 pick until right about a week before the draft. Coulibaly is looking like a stud and more NBA ready than people thought as a 19 year old. Jalen Williams is another long armed wing who shot up into the lottery after being ranked much later. Going back further Giannis is one of those players who rose late in the draft process. Salaun isn't even a late riser like those guys. He's already rising before the midway point of the season.

The problem with all these young long 3 point shooting international prospects every year is that they barely show any self creation skills because they either dont have them or due to the more minor roles they play on their teams overseas don't get to display them or practice them in game situations. It's largely a guessing game until they show up for workouts and 1v1s. If they have good defensive tools and stroke it well from deep you can get an idea of the floor but the ceiling is much more difficult to determine. Even with half an NBA year under his belt nobody knows if Coulibaly is just going to continue as a transition + 3s + straight line drives on offense guy or not.

[Psubs]

Buzelis scares me as a prospect, I wouldn't touch him until end of lotto. Right now he is riding off the hype train around him as a teenager and his length but the guy doesn't have the functional strength to deal with NBA players in the paint and appears to be a bit slow when he puts the ball on the floor, so I can only imagine that becoming worse if he fills out his frame with 30 lbs. He's neither explosive or smooth, processes a bit slowly and has a long release on the shot. The poor shooting in the g-league is kind of surprising because he shot really well at prep school. Even if the shooting comes back I feel like people are being swayed by his frame and not paying attention to the small things in his game which are off-putting. Right now I'd bet that he ends up as a rotation player at best.

Agreed. I don't think he's going to be successful in the league.

Furphy might be the better version of Buzelis.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Buzelis scares me as a prospect, I wouldn't touch him until end of lotto. Right now he is riding off the hype train around him as a teenager and his length but the guy doesn't have the functional strength to deal with NBA players in the paint and appears to be a bit slow when he puts the ball on the floor, so I can only imagine that becoming worse if he fills out his frame with 30 lbs. He's neither explosive or smooth, processes a bit slowly and has a long release on the shot. The poor shooting in the g-league is kind of surprising because he shot really well at prep school. Even if the shooting comes back I feel like people are being swayed by his frame and not paying attention to the small things in his game which are off-putting. Right now I'd bet that he ends up as a rotation player at best.

Agreed. I don't think he's going to be successful in the league.

Furphy might be the better version of Buzelis.

There are some mocks that have Buzelis ahead of Ron Holland but I'm not sure how anyone who has watched both of them play can come to the conclusion that they are anywhere near the same tier of prospect. Ron Holland looks so much more comfortable and assertive in absolutely everything he does on the court compared to Matas even though he has his own issues.

I haven't really paid attention to Furphy yet, how does he compare to a player like Gradey Dick?

[Rapsfan07]

Nbadraft.net has us taking Knecht with the 6th pick lol. I then looked at his age, dude is almost 23 years old and a senior. No way do the Raptors take a guy like that early in the lottery.

Edit: They've also got Sheppard, Salaun, and Topic going 15, 16, 17 respectively. That's crazy, those guys are all likely lottery picks in my opinion.

The problem is the first thing you said. Nbadraft.net is garbage and I would suggest you stop using it.

[Rapsfan07]

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He's been on my radar. Would strongly consider him or McCullar in the middle of the draft. Wouldn't mind using the 31 + Pacers pick to move up and grab either one of these guys.

[Rapsfan07]

Yeah you know what screw it, I can see Devin Carter being like a +2 BPM player in the league which is definitely worth #20 overall. Take my money.

Haha glad you've come around.

If his 3 ball is legit, I think he's a rotation player at the very least. Would love to scoop him up with the OKC first if possible.

Athletic, seems to be a good defender, good rebounder, can get to the rim. I'd be super happy with him later in the draft.

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Agreed. I don't think he's going to be successful in the league.

Furphy might be the better version of Buzelis.

There are some mocks that have Buzelis ahead of Ron Holland but I'm not sure how anyone who has watched both of them play can come to the conclusion that they are anywhere near the same tier of prospect. Ron Holland looks so much more comfortable and assertive in absolutely everything he does on the court compared to Matas even though he has his own issues.

I haven't really paid attention to Furphy yet, how does he compare to a player like Gradey Dick?

Furphy is 6'9 (grew 2 inches since the summer when listed at 6'7), looking more like a Mike Dunleavy Jr now.

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