Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

[41Dirk41]

The sad reality is Kyrie's trade worth. If you go around different fan bases and their forums, you can see that almost no one would accept Kyrie even if Mavs sent picks with him.

If Mavs had KAT-Lively frontcourt, I bet Luka would complain a lot less. Luka's frustration is due to Losses. It is not an easy transition from Real Madrid to here. Its not easy to digest to Mavs becoming borderline playoff team. This team used to be a lock for playoffs. Luka-Brunson-DFS-Dinwiddie roster made WCF.

I know the Lakers would accept Kyrie and I highly doubt Lakers fan would not. Kyrie is weapon X. You keep him and unleash him in the playoffs. If the Lakers could get Kyrie with AD and Lebron (and keep most of their defensive depth) they would be championship contenders.

Luka's frustration is due to immaturity. He's 24 years old and needs to grow up and act like a real leader. If Brunson liked playing with Luka so much he would have done more to stay. As for DFS and Dinwiddie - having tall/athletic guys who can play defense/handle the ball/ score is very important in this every so tall league. That was the price the front office paid to get Kyrie after losing Brunson. The logic is that its harder to replace a Brunson and easier to get two guys like Dinwiddie and DFS in the future. That logic is sound - as long as the front office does what it needs to do.

Dinwiddie a good defender...you must be kidding...he was a bad defender,only thing he had on Kai was size...People really don't give Kyrie enough credit on D... he's a good defender, he's just small...he has troubles against stronger,bigger guards...his D on Steph and similar PG is good

Agree.

Dinwiddie is a bad defender and Brunson can't guard a chair... People forget too early

Kyrie is decent but he is small.

Exum-Irving are the supercharger version of Dinwiddie-Brunson.

[joesha1698]

The sad reality is Kyrie's trade worth. If you go around different fan bases and their forums, you can see that almost no one would accept Kyrie even if Mavs sent picks with him.

If Mavs had KAT-Lively frontcourt, I bet Luka would complain a lot less. Luka's frustration is due to Losses. It is not an easy transition from Real Madrid to here. Its not easy to digest to Mavs becoming borderline playoff team. This team used to be a lock for playoffs. Luka-Brunson-DFS-Dinwiddie roster made WCF.

I know the Lakers would accept Kyrie and I highly doubt Lakers fan would not. Kyrie is weapon X. You keep him and unleash him in the playoffs. If the Lakers could get Kyrie with AD and Lebron (and keep most of their defensive depth) they would be championship contenders.

Luka's frustration is due to immaturity. He's 24 years old and needs to grow up and act like a real leader. If Brunson liked playing with Luka so much he would have done more to stay. As for DFS and Dinwiddie - having tall/athletic guys who can play defense/handle the ball/ score is very important in this every so tall league. That was the price the front office paid to get Kyrie after losing Brunson. The logic is that its harder to replace a Brunson and easier to get two guys like Dinwiddie and DFS in the future. That logic is sound - as long as the front office does what it needs to do.

Dinwiddie a good defender...you must be kidding...he was a bad defender,only thing he had on Kai was size...People really don't give Kyrie enough credit on D... he's a good defender, he's just small...he has troubles against stronger,bigger guards...his D on Steph and similar PG is good

I agree with your sentiments about Kyrie. However, I have never thought of Dinwiddie as a bad defender. But at 6'6 (and being able to move like a PG) Dinwiddie is certainly a capable defender. He isnt any worse than Green or the guys we have out there right now.

Note: I have watched Dinwiddie in both stints in Brooklyn and when he was with the Mavs. I have never thought of him as a bad defender but I haven't always paid a lot of attention to him on that end of the floor. However, nothing ever stood out to me that he was just a bad defender.

[BliscoSantos]

I know the Lakers would accept Kyrie and I highly doubt Lakers fan would not. Kyrie is weapon X. You keep him and unleash him in the playoffs. If the Lakers could get Kyrie with AD and Lebron (and keep most of their defensive depth) they would be championship contenders.

Luka's frustration is due to immaturity. He's 24 years old and needs to grow up and act like a real leader. If Brunson liked playing with Luka so much he would have done more to stay. As for DFS and Dinwiddie - having tall/athletic guys who can play defense/handle the ball/ score is very important in this every so tall league. That was the price the front office paid to get Kyrie after losing Brunson. The logic is that its harder to replace a Brunson and easier to get two guys like Dinwiddie and DFS in the future. That logic is sound - as long as the front office does what it needs to do.

Dinwiddie a good defender...you must be kidding...he was a bad defender,only thing he had on Kai was size...People really don't give Kyrie enough credit on D... he's a good defender, he's just small...he has troubles against stronger,bigger guards...his D on Steph and similar PG is good

I agree with your sentiments about Kyrie. However, I have never thought of Dinwiddie as a bad defender. But at 6'6 (and being able to move like a PG) Dinwiddie is certainly a capable defender. He isnt any worse than Green or the guys we have out there right now.

Then why did every PG he was guarding blow by him with ease...he couldnt stay infront of anyone...Green has way better movement on D than Dinwiddie ,while Exum is on a different level compared to him

[joesha1698]

Dinwiddie a good defender...you must be kidding...he was a bad defender,only thing he had on Kai was size...People really don't give Kyrie enough credit on D... he's a good defender, he's just small...he has troubles against stronger,bigger guards...his D on Steph and similar PG is good

I agree with your sentiments about Kyrie. However, I have never thought of Dinwiddie as a bad defender. But at 6'6 (and being able to move like a PG) Dinwiddie is certainly a capable defender. He isnt any worse than Green or the guys we have out there right now.

Then why did every PG he was guarding blow by him with ease...he couldnt stay infront of anyone...Green has way better movement on D than Dinwiddie ,while Exum is on a different level compared to him

I didnt watch him as much with the Mavs as I did in Brooklyn. I can't answer that. I'll will bow out of this one because I probably havent seen him as much as some of you here doing the previous seasons.

[BliscoSantos]

I agree with your sentiments about Kyrie. However, I have never thought of Dinwiddie as a bad defender. But at 6'6 (and being able to move like a PG) Dinwiddie is certainly a capable defender. He isnt any worse than Green or the guys we have out there right now.

Then why did every PG he was guarding blow by him with ease...he couldnt stay infront of anyone...Green has way better movement on D than Dinwiddie ,while Exum is on a different level compared to him

I didnt watch him as much with the Mavs as I did in Brooklyn. I can't answer that. I'll will bow out of this one because I probably havent seen him as much as some of you here doing the previous seasons.

He's also been pretty terrible on O this year

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/table/offensive/sort/fieldGoalPct/dir/asc

[Teffer10]

I think the market for Kyrie is very thin.

Lakers, Miami and Minny are about the only options.

All other teams have decent guards and there is only one team dumb enough to trade for him when they already have a 24 yo superstar PG.

[daoneandonly]

I think the market for Kyrie is very thin.

Lakers, Miami and Minny are about the only options.

All other teams have decent guards and there is only one team dumb enough to trade for him when they already have a 24 yo superstar PG.

Im done with him. Always the same story with this guy, any little injury and he's out for weeks. He doesnt care about basketball, he cares about the fame and money that comes with it.

If we could somehow do a 3 teamer where we turn him into DeJounte/Bogdan, I think its a win for for this team. Move THJ to the starting 5, and Luka's buddy Bogdan can be the scorer off the bench. Then trade Green for a backup 5:

Luka/Exum/Curry
Dejounte/Bogdan/Hardy
THJ/DJJ
Williams/Maxi/Omax
Lively/Trade/Powell/Holmes

[tleikheen]

Ben Simmons came back last night and immediately started controlling the Nets defense and pushing the pace .The Nets are a different team when he's playing BUT he has that big contract and is he healthy.
He fits what the Mavs need a big 6'10/240# and can definitely handle the ball.
The Mavs definitely have some unwanted contracts they want to get rid of too.

Ben Simmons (37 million) 27 y o 6'10 /240# for Grant Williams (12 million) 25 y o 6'6"/236# Richaun Holmes (12 million) 30 y o 6'9"/235# Maxi Kleber (11 million) 32 y o 6'10"/240# & Jaden Hardy (1.7 million) 21 y o 6'3"/198#

Essentially giving 2 young players to sweeten the pot and 2 contracts to equal the salary.

PG) Luka 6'7"/230#
G) Kyrie 6' 2"/195#
G) DExum 6'5"/214#
PF) BSimmons 6'10/240#
C) DLively 7'1".230#

Bench : Hardaway , Green , DJones Jr . OMax , Powell

The pace will be fast and the defense bigger & more physical to compete against all the big teams that are occupying the top of the NBA presently.

[joesha1698]

Ben Simmons came back last night and immediately started controlling the Nets defense and pushing the pace .The Nets are a different team when he's playing BUT he has that big contract and is he healthy.
He fits what the Mavs need a big 6'10/240# and can definitely handle the ball.
The Mavs definitely have some unwanted contracts they want to get rid of too.

Ben Simmons (37 million) 27 y o 6'10 /240# for Grant Williams (12 million) 25 y o 6'6"/236# Richaun Holmes (12 million) 30 y o 6'9"/235# Maxi Kleber (11 million) 32 y o 6'10"/240# & Jaden Hardy (1.7 million) 21 y o 6'3"/198#

Essentially giving 2 young players to sweeten the pot and 2 contracts to equal the salary.

PG) Luka 6'7"/230#
G) Kyrie 6' 2"/195#
G) DExum 6'5"/214#
PF) BSimmons 6'10/240#
C) DLively 7'1".230#

Bench : Hardaway , Green , DJones Jr . OMax , Powell

The pace will be fast and the defense bigger & more physical to compete against all the big teams that are occupying the top of the NBA presently.

Noooooooooooooooooooooo. Take it from someone who watched Ben Simmons for years. I think he has legit mental health issues and I wish him the best. But you do not want to hamper your franchise like this.

[41Dirk41]

Ben Simmons came back last night and immediately started controlling the Nets defense and pushing the pace .The Nets are a different team when he's playing BUT he has that big contract and is he healthy.
He fits what the Mavs need a big 6'10/240# and can definitely handle the ball.
The Mavs definitely have some unwanted contracts they want to get rid of too.

Ben Simmons (37 million) 27 y o 6'10 /240# for Grant Williams (12 million) 25 y o 6'6"/236# Richaun Holmes (12 million) 30 y o 6'9"/235# Maxi Kleber (11 million) 32 y o 6'10"/240# & Jaden Hardy (1.7 million) 21 y o 6'3"/198#

Essentially giving 2 young players to sweeten the pot and 2 contracts to equal the salary.

PG) Luka 6'7"/230#
G) Kyrie 6' 2"/195#
G) DExum 6'5"/214#
PF) BSimmons 6'10/240#
C) DLively 7'1".230#

Bench : Hardaway , Green , DJones Jr . OMax , Powell

The pace will be fast and the defense bigger & more physical to compete against all the big teams that are occupying the top of the NBA presently.

Noooooooooooooooooooooo. Take it from someone who watched Ben Simmons for years. I think he has legit mental health issues and I wish him the best. But you do not want to hamper your franchise like this.

Good luck with this lineup ... 3/5 are heavy injury prone...

[tleikheen]

Noooooooooooooooooooooo. Take it from someone who watched Ben Simmons for years. I think he has legit mental health issues and I wish him the best. But you do not want to hamper your franchise like this.

Alot of people have watched Simmons for yrs . and if you check out Nets reddit they say only 2 players that get the home crowd excited on the Nets is Simmons and Cam Thomas. As far as hampering the Mavs franchise you're offloading contracts that already are hampering the franchise. The ceiling is still way higher for Simmons than any one that you'd use in a trade for Simmons.

[joesha1698]

Noooooooooooooooooooooo. Take it from someone who watched Ben Simmons for years. I think he has legit mental health issues and I wish him the best. But you do not want to hamper your franchise like this.

Alot of people have watched Simmons for yrs . and if you check out Nets reddit they say only 2 players that get the home crowd excited on the Nets is Simmons and Cam Thomas. As far as hampering the Mavs franchise you're offloading contracts that already are hampering the franchise. The ceiling is still way higher for Simmons than any one that you'd use in a trade for Simmons.

You already have Lively, unless your going to use him as a backup center? He can be used different ways but keep in mind he refuses to take jumpshots. So, he can play other positions but because he wont shoot he's pretty much plays like a 5 that pushes the ball. The guy also is not very good at freethrows (40-50% for his career) and literally finds any reason not to play because of (imo) his mental health issue. The Nets traded him for James Harden and Ben barely played in those 2 seasons - going on 3 now. He hasnt improved his free throws since he came into the league. He simply refuses to shoot jump shots and 3 point shots - even though he has the ability to. He has legit psychological problems because of his health issues. He also makes 40 million dollars the next season...he will be an expiring contract next year which is one positive.


Now, I'll be honest - Grant williams, Richuan holmes, kleber and 1st for Ben Simmons, Finney Dmith, Day'Rin sharpe or Cam Thomas, I would have to consider that. I would still go out and get another backup center. I would then treat Ben Simmons as my defacto backup center and use him situationally to guard certain players. He would also be an expiring contract next year that could give us some trading flexibility to improve our team. So, I would only consider trading for him if I can get a package like above.

[joesha1698]

Ben Simmons came back last night and immediately started controlling the Nets defense and pushing the pace .The Nets are a different team when he's playing BUT he has that big contract and is he healthy.
He fits what the Mavs need a big 6'10/240# and can definitely handle the ball.
The Mavs definitely have some unwanted contracts they want to get rid of too.

Ben Simmons (37 million) 27 y o 6'10 /240# for Grant Williams (12 million) 25 y o 6'6"/236# Richaun Holmes (12 million) 30 y o 6'9"/235# Maxi Kleber (11 million) 32 y o 6'10"/240# & Jaden Hardy (1.7 million) 21 y o 6'3"/198#

Essentially giving 2 young players to sweeten the pot and 2 contracts to equal the salary.

PG) Luka 6'7"/230#
G) Kyrie 6' 2"/195#
G) DExum 6'5"/214#
PF) BSimmons 6'10/240#
C) DLively 7'1".230#

Bench : Hardaway , Green , DJones Jr . OMax , Powell

The pace will be fast and the defense bigger & more physical to compete against all the big teams that are occupying the top of the NBA presently.

Noooooooooooooooooooooo. Take it from someone who watched Ben Simmons for years. I think he has legit mental health issues and I wish him the best. But you do not want to hamper your franchise like this.

Good luck with this lineup ... 3/5 are heavy injury prone...

Not only that but Ive watched Simmons with Claxton starting. You essentially are starting two centers who dont shoot jumpers. If you think our offense is one dimensional now, just wait. You literally have to use Simmons as your defacto center. If you have a team full of players (including your C) that can shoot 3's...you can possibly make it work. If you do not, you have to bring him off the bench and use him situationally.

[41Dirk41]

Noooooooooooooooooooooo. Take it from someone who watched Ben Simmons for years. I think he has legit mental health issues and I wish him the best. But you do not want to hamper your franchise like this.

Good luck with this lineup ... 3/5 are heavy injury prone...

Not only that but Ive watched Simmons with Claxton starting. You essentially are starting two centers who dont shoot jumpers. If you think our offense is one dimensional now, just wait. You literally have to use Simmons as your defacto center. If you have a team full of players (including your C) that can shoot 3's...you can possibly make it work. If you do not, you have to bring him off the bench and use him situationally.

Yes, i agree.

Trade assets for Simmons is a no sense, he has negative value right now.

[dirkules_41]

Ben Simmons came back last night and immediately started controlling the Nets defense and pushing the pace .The Nets are a different team when he's playing BUT he has that big contract and is he healthy.
He fits what the Mavs need a big 6'10/240# and can definitely handle the ball.
The Mavs definitely have some unwanted contracts they want to get rid of too.

Ben Simmons (37 million) 27 y o 6'10 /240# for Grant Williams (12 million) 25 y o 6'6"/236# Richaun Holmes (12 million) 30 y o 6'9"/235# Maxi Kleber (11 million) 32 y o 6'10"/240# & Jaden Hardy (1.7 million) 21 y o 6'3"/198#

Essentially giving 2 young players to sweeten the pot and 2 contracts to equal the salary.

PG) Luka 6'7"/230#
G) Kyrie 6' 2"/195#
G) DExum 6'5"/214#
PF) BSimmons 6'10/240#
C) DLively 7'1".230#

Bench : Hardaway , Green , DJones Jr . OMax , Powell

The pace will be fast and the defense bigger & more physical to compete against all the big teams that are occupying the top of the NBA presently.

That easily wins worst idea of 2024 so far, I'm lost for words really.

[ozwizard8]

The sad reality is Kyrie's trade worth. If you go around different fan bases and their forums, you can see that almost no one would accept Kyrie even if Mavs sent picks with him.

If Mavs had KAT-Lively frontcourt, I bet Luka would complain a lot less. Luka's frustration is due to Losses. It is not an easy transition from Real Madrid to here. Its not easy to digest to Mavs becoming borderline playoff team. This team used to be a lock for playoffs. Luka-Brunson-DFS-Dinwiddie roster made WCF.

I know the Lakers would accept Kyrie and I highly doubt Lakers fan would not. Kyrie is weapon X. You keep him and unleash him in the playoffs. If the Lakers could get Kyrie with AD and Lebron (and keep most of their defensive depth) they would be championship contenders.

Luka's frustration is due to immaturity. He's 24 years old and needs to grow up and act like a real leader. If Brunson liked playing with Luka so much he would have done more to stay. As for DFS and Dinwiddie - having tall/athletic guys who can play defense/handle the ball/ score is very important in this every so tall league. That was the price the front office paid to get Kyrie after losing Brunson. The logic is that its harder to replace a Brunson and easier to get two guys like Dinwiddie and DFS in the future. That logic is sound - as long as the front office does what it needs to do.

Dinwiddie a good defender...you must be kidding...he was a bad defender,only thing he had on Kai was size...People really don't give Kyrie enough credit on D... he's a good defender, he's just small...he has troubles against stronger,bigger guards...his D on Steph and similar PG is good

Kyrie is an awful defender as far as what we saw in last 1 year in Dallas.
Him being an average defender for a specific height doesn't matter as there is no rule to play a light and short guys on the floor. Many teams abuse Kyrie and Mavs defense and rebounding because of this.

Stop with Kyrie apologism. He is a MAX player who is not playing like max. I mean he is not even playing most of the time...

[ozwizard8]

I know the Lakers would accept Kyrie and I highly doubt Lakers fan would not. Kyrie is weapon X. You keep him and unleash him in the playoffs. If the Lakers could get Kyrie with AD and Lebron (and keep most of their defensive depth) they would be championship contenders.

Luka's frustration is due to immaturity. He's 24 years old and needs to grow up and act like a real leader. If Brunson liked playing with Luka so much he would have done more to stay. As for DFS and Dinwiddie - having tall/athletic guys who can play defense/handle the ball/ score is very important in this every so tall league. That was the price the front office paid to get Kyrie after losing Brunson. The logic is that its harder to replace a Brunson and easier to get two guys like Dinwiddie and DFS in the future. That logic is sound - as long as the front office does what it needs to do.

Dinwiddie a good defender...you must be kidding...he was a bad defender,only thing he had on Kai was size...People really don't give Kyrie enough credit on D... he's a good defender, he's just small...he has troubles against stronger,bigger guards...his D on Steph and similar PG is good

I agree with your sentiments about Kyrie. However, I have never thought of Dinwiddie as a bad defender. But at 6'6 (and being able to move like a PG) Dinwiddie is certainly a capable defender. He isnt any worse than Green or the guys we have out there right now.

Note: I have watched Dinwiddie in both stints in Brooklyn and when he was with the Mavs. I have never thought of him as a bad defender but I haven't always paid a lot of attention to him on that end of the floor. However, nothing ever stood out to me that he was just a bad defender.

+ When Mavs play with Luka-Dinwiddie, then Luka takes the easiest defensive matchup.
- When Mavs play with Luka-Kyrie, then Kyrie takes the easiest, smallest defensive matchup.

+ Dinwiddie was not getting punished by SG-SFs due to lack of height or size.
- Kyrie is getting hunted occasionally by other teams.

+ Kyrie vs Dinwiddie creates rebounding difference for the team. Dinwiddie was able to box out and he simply had more height for rebounding. When other teams saw Kyrie is playing they attack for the boards.

[ozwizard8]

Luka and KAT have the worst body language in the NBA when frustrated, at least Luka can electrify when he's on, KAT comes off as a goof, but yeah, 0 chance Minny does this.

The sad reality is Kyrie's trade worth. If you go around different fan bases and their forums, you can see that almost no one would accept Kyrie even if Mavs sent picks with him.

If Mavs had KAT-Lively frontcourt, I bet Luka would complain a lot less. Luka's frustration is due to Losses. It is not an easy transition from Real Madrid to here. Its not easy to digest to Mavs becoming borderline playoff team. This team used to be a lock for playoffs. Luka-Brunson-DFS-Dinwiddie roster made WCF.

I know the Lakers would accept Kyrie and I highly doubt Lakers fan would not. Kyrie is weapon X. You keep him and unleash him in the playoffs. If the Lakers could get Kyrie with AD and Lebron (and keep most of their defensive depth) they would be championship contenders.

Luka's frustration is due to immaturity. He's 24 years old and needs to grow up and act like a real leader. If Brunson liked playing with Luka so much he would have done more to stay. As for DFS and Dinwiddie - having tall/athletic guys who can play defense/handle the ball/ score is very important in this every so tall league. That was the price the front office paid to get Kyrie after losing Brunson. The logic is that its harder to replace a Brunson and easier to get two guys like Dinwiddie and DFS in the future. That logic is sound - as long as the front office does what it needs to do.

Yea I said almost no one wants to take him. Maybe Lakers was one of the options last year, perhaps even for this year. But I am not sure if there are more teams. 1 out of 30 teams? 2 out of 30 teams?

Kyrie situation is just so sad for Mavs and Luka.
Team made WCF was **** up due to letting Brunson go for cheap. Trying to correct the mistake, they **** up big time.
We were immensely lucky with Lively but still Mavs team is struggling to make playoffs. Luka putting MVP-caliber stats not being enough is just sad result of kyrie's classic franchise-destroying powers. Hope he somehow gets back to his own self from 7-8 years ago.

[tleikheen]

Everybody has something bad and negative to say about Ben Simmons but he makes a team better despite his FT's and lack of 3 pts attempts and makes. His defensive toughness and ability to guard 1 thru 5 on the court very few teams have. The guy plays on winning teams and has his hands on the ball offensively and defensively all the time . I'm still waiting on someone to show all of us how he contributes to losing when his team usually wins when he's playing.

[joesha1698]

Everybody has something bad and negative to say about Ben Simmons but he makes a team better despite his FT's and lack of 3 pts attempts and makes. His defensive toughness and ability to guard 1 thru 5 on the court very few teams have. The guy plays on winning teams and has his hands on the ball offensively and defensively all the time . I'm still waiting on someone to show all of us how he contributes to losing when his team usually wins when he's playing.

Biggest way he contributes to losing is not being available to play. The 2nd way he contributes to losing is his known mental health issue that he has acknowledge - that has prevented him from improving his game. This health issue (imo) is the reason he has refused to take jumpshots which makes him some what of an offensive liability. Its also why he hasn't got better with his free throws since he entered the nba. With all that being said, I'm rooting for Ben Simmons because he has legit issues (imo). I would take him in a trade under the right conditions.