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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#201 » by doclinkin » Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:13 pm

nate33 wrote:I take heart that guys like Bobby Marks and Zach Lowe seem to have a much higher regard for Kuzma than your average RealGM board jockey. Basketball can't be completely boiled down to a spreadsheet. Context matters. Being the focus of the opposition's defense is really hard. Being the guy who has to take a lot of bail out shots is hard.


I take the opinion of other players even more seriously, and in those circles it seems like Kuz is almost universally appreciated, with occasional Dinwits excepted.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#202 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:15 pm

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nate33 wrote:I take heart that guys like Bobby Marks and Zach Lowe seem to have a much higher regard for Kuzma than your average RealGM board jockey. Basketball can't be completely boiled down to a spreadsheet. Context matters. Being the focus of the opposition's defense is really hard. Being the guy who has to take a lot of bail out shots is hard.


I take the opinion of other players even more seriously, and in those circles it seems like Kuz is almost universally appreciated, with occasional Dinwits excepted.


Could it also be that Kuzma, outside of basketball related activities, is very affable and likeable, so it's quite possible he's built good will with a lot of people around the NBA world?

To nate's point regarding Kuzma being asked to do a lot, to be the focus of the oppositions defense, that he's asked to take bail out shots (which on its face glosses over all the bad shots Kuzma takes that aren't bail out shots): Kuzma whether the third option in 2019-2020 or the fourth or fifth option in 2020-2021 or the second/third option in his first two seasons with the Wizards has never posted a TS% above .547 from ages 24 to 28. In fact, not matter the offensive role Kuzma has been tasked with playing, he's been remarkably consistent in being meh.

That's because the problem with Kuzma is that he thinks he can make any shot, at any time, no matter how bad of an attempt it is. He simply takes too many bad shots to be an consistently efficient player. In short, he has never been able to get out of his own way. We now have 7 seasons of evidence from a player that is 28 years old. Even look at how he turns over the ball. He's a guy who's getting a ton of TOs not even trying to make a tough pass (I'm a believer that not all TOs are the same kind of bad), but because he travels all the time, because he can't stop thinking he's better than he really is.

And then there's defensive side of the ball, which he hasn't even attempted to really try at for the last two seasons. Maybe you could justify cutting Kuzma some slack on offense if he was showing he was willing to compete on defense, but he simply looks disinterested on that end, and that's putting it nicely. A guy with his size, length, and versatility has no business being as bad as he is on defense.

So this narrative needs to end that Kuzma is somehow a victim of circumstance. Maybe, just maybe, Kuzma has some accountability in it as well. If Kuzma one day wakes up and stops consistently taking shots he has no business of taking, then maybe, just maybe he can become an efficient offensive player.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#203 » by DCZards » Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:42 pm

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:To nate's point regarding Kuzma being asked to do a lot, to be the focus of the oppositions defense, that he's asked to take bail out shots (which on its face glosses over all the bad shots Kuzma takes that aren't bail out shots): Kuzma whether the third option in 2019-2020 or the fourth or fifth option in 2020-2021 or the second/third option in his first two seasons with the Wizards has never posted a TS% above .547 from ages 24 to 28. In fact, not matter the offensive role Kuzma has been tasked with playing, he's been remarkably consistent in being meh.

Kuz is a better all around offensive player than he was in 2019, 2020 or 2021. He's gotten much better at using his size and quickness to attack the rim for easy baskets.

You're absolutely right when you say that Kuz takes too many ill-advised shots and that he turns the ball over too much. But put him on a team where he's the third or fourth option and you'll see his shots and turnovers go down and his TS% go up.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#204 » by tleikheen » Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:07 pm

Could it also be that Kuzma, outside of basketball related activities, is very affable and likeable, so it's quite possible he's built good will with a lot of people around the NBA world?

To nate's point regarding Kuzma being asked to do a lot, to be the focus of the oppositions defense, that he's asked to take bail out shots (which on its face glosses over all the bad shots Kuzma takes that aren't bail out shots): Kuzma whether the third option in 2019-2020 or the fourth or fifth option in 2020-2021 or the second/third option in his first two seasons with the Wizards has never posted a TS% above .547 from ages 24 to 28. In fact, not matter the offensive role Kuzma has been tasked with playing, he's been remarkably consistent in being meh.

That's because the problem with Kuzma is that he thinks he can make any shot, at any time, no matter how bad of an attempt it is. He simply takes too many bad shots to be an consistently efficient player. In short, he has never been able to get out of his own way. We now have 7 seasons of evidence from a player that is 28 years old. Even look at how he turns over the ball. He's a guy who's getting a ton of TOs not even trying to make a tough pass (I'm a believer that not all TOs are the same kind of bad), but because he travels all the time, because he can't stop thinking he's better than he really is.

And then there's defensive side of the ball, which he hasn't even attempted to really try at for the last two seasons. Maybe you could justify cutting Kuzma some slack on offense if he was showing he was willing to compete on defense, but he simply looks disinterested on that end, and that's putting it nicely. A guy with his size, length, and versatility has no business being as bad as he is on defense.

So this narrative needs to end that Kuzma is somehow a victim of circumstance. Maybe, just maybe, Kuzma has some accountability in it as well. If Kuzma one day wakes up and stops consistently taking shots he has no business of taking, then maybe, just maybe he can become an efficient offensive player.


Ther's alot animus and bias against Kuzma more than the average NBA player. Guys don't like his colored hair and big fur coats and hold his personal life against him.
As far as basketball skillz ,he's called avg and meh even though few big men can attack the basket downhill like him and still bomb away on the 3 ball.
It will be just like Rui,Porzingis and Beal who got trashed religiously in this forum for their supposed "weakness" It's crazy how the Phoenix fans love Beals play and how KP has made the Celtis as one of the top presumptive favorites, and how the Laker fans have been clamoring for Rui to start over Prince and Reddish. More fans want Darvin Ham fired than DC fans wanting WUJ fired.
If Kuz gets traded to Sacramento or Dallas it will be the same.Kuz will stop being gameplanned to stop him to not with these 2 teams and the narrative will change in what he brings to a team trying to win.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#205 » by mhd » Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:02 am

My latest:

Simple trade:

Wiz trade: Wright (expiring) for Micic+2029 LAC 2nd rounder (from Philly)+2025 Atlanta 2nd (from OKC)
Philly trades: Covington (expiring)+Springer+2029 LAC 2nd rounder for Wright (expiring)
OKC trades: Micic+2025 Atlanta 2nd for Covington (expiring)+Springer

WHY FOR Philly?
1). Ducks the tax at the expense of a far out 2nd round pick.

WHY FOR OKC?
1). Saves 5 million for next year as the difference between Micic vs Springer's salary. With so many picks, they can afford to throw away the 2025 Atlanta 2nd.

Why for the Wiz?
1). Get a couple of 2nd rounders while giving Micic PT as the full-time backup PG for the rest of the year and for next year. Micic also helps them get to the salary floor for next year.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#206 » by payitforward » Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:20 am

tleikheen wrote:few big men can attack the basket downhill like him and still bomb away on the 3 ball....

Does Kuz score well at the basket, tleikheen? No, he doesn't. Has he ever? No. Does Kuz shoot the 3 at a high %? No, he doesn't. Has he ever? No.

I like Kyle Kuzma -- he's thoughtful, he is generous, he's just a good guy all around. A high quality human being. I would love for him to be a terrific player. But, he isn't.

tleikheen wrote:
Could it also be that Kuzma, outside of basketball related activities, is very affable and likeable, ...

Ther's alot animus and bias against Kuzma more than the average NBA player. Guys don't like his colored hair and big fur coats and hold his personal life against him....

I don't see any evidence of this whatsoever. & I can't imagine where you've seen evidence of it either.

tleikheen wrote:If Kuz gets traded to Sacramento or Dallas ...Kuz will stop being gameplanned to stop him to not with these 2 teams and the narrative will change in what he brings to a team trying to win.

Oh man... here we go again with the prophetic stuff again, as if you had some kind of direct line to the gods of basketball. I hope we can avoid tumbling down that hillside again.

You don't have a crystal ball. So you don't have the any idea of what Kuz will or won't do with another team. How could you?

Kyle Kuzma is 28 years old. He's half way through his seventh season -- probably more than half way through his NBA career. Few & far between are the players who improve their play at his age, at the stage he's at in his career. In fact, I can't think of a single one right off (not saying there aren't a few...).

tleikheen wrote:It will be just like Rui, Porzingis and Beal who got trashed religiously in this forum for their supposed "weakness" It's crazy how the Phoenix fans love Beals play and how KP has made the Celtis as one of the top presumptive favorites, and how the Laker fans have been clamoring for Rui to start over Prince and Reddish. More fans want Darvin Ham fired than DC fans wanting WUJ fired.

You're right about Porzingis, who is having the best season of his career. Great to see that.

But, that's where it ends.

Bradley Beal is not having a good season overall. Not anywhere near as good as last year with us. His 3 pt % is up a bit, yes, but everything else is down. Not to mention that he's been available to play in fewer than half of Phoenix's games.

As to Rui in LA this year, he is playing a tiny bit better overall than he played with us his rookie year. He's scoring just a little better (@1.7 more points per 40 minutes & at a respectable .59 TS%, while rebounding a little bit worse: overall he's about the same, which is no surprise, since Rui never developed much. I wish him well, but he is about to turn 26. He's unlikely to go through any big changes.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#207 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:08 am

TGW wrote:Go and try any of those ideas on the trade board. See what kind of feedback you get.
I might but i identify two or 4 teams that might be a landing spot for Poole that won't cost us anything. We'll see who's correct.

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Post#208 » by tleikheen » Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:59 am

tleikheen wrote:
It will be just like Rui, Porzingis and Beal who got trashed religiously in this forum for their supposed "weakness" It's crazy how the Phoenix fans love Beals play and how KP has made the Celtis as one of the top presumptive favorites, and how the Laker fans have been clamoring for Rui to start over Prince and Reddish. More fans want Darvin Ham fired than DC fans wanting WUJ fired.

You're right about Porzingis, who is having the best season of his career. Great to see that.

But, that's where it ends.

Bradley Beal is not having a good season overall. Not anywhere near as good as last year with us. His 3 pt % is up a bit, yes, but everything else is down. Not to mention that he's been available to play in fewer than half of Phoenix's games.

As to Rui in LA this year, he is playing a tiny bit better overall than he played with us his rookie year. He's scoring just a little better (@1.7 more points per 40 minutes & at a respectable .59 TS%, while rebounding a little bit worse: overall he's about the same, which is no surprise, since Rui never developed much. I wish him well, but he is about to turn 26. He's unlikely to go through any big changes.


Being on a winning team (Porzingis) and a favorite to win it all might be called your best season as far as winning but as far as having your best statistical year { Porzingis, who is having the best season of his career } thats not even close to true .He's shooting 3 pts better from the field and 3pts LESS from 3 pt line. He's getting 1.7 rpg LESS than last yr and .7 LESS apg . He's playing more impactful defense but its a big difference w/White and Holiday in front of you than Morris and Beal. Is he happier ,Im sure he is but probably wishes he was shooting like last yr.
True on Beal ,his stats are all down but since he got back to playing the last 17 games the Phoenix Suns are 12 W and 5L and climbing in the West. He wanted to play for a winning team and Phoenix is rising now that the Big 3 are healthy.
Now alot of debate goes on about Rui where most fans want him starting instead of Taurean Prince . Ham is on the hotseat for playing Prince and Reddish while barely playing .500 BB.Rui is doing Rui stuff shooting 49.9 percent from the field and 39.2 percent from 3 pt. AND {Rui Hachimura has the highest plus-minus for the Lakers this season, at +68}.

I don't think you watch much BB besides the Wizards and pretty much don't know what your talking about when it comes to other teams.

Now about Kuzma ( 65.3% of Kuzma’s field goals come off the dribble, according to NBA.com.)
{Last year, Luka Doncic was exceptionally efficient in the post, especially for a guard. Luka averaged 1.14 points per possession (PPP) on post ups, third in the entire league for players who averaged at least 3 post ups per game},not so good this yr at .89 PPP pts.{While Luka still leads the team, he’s in the 26th percentile in post scoring in the league,} {Kuzma, on the other hand, averages 1.1 PPP in the post this year. Good for 15th in the league among players with at least one post up possession per game.}{ Dallas is currently tied for second in the league (with Kuzma’s Wizards) with 1.21 PPP in transition. Kuzma lives in transition, as his 4.5 transition possessions per game are currently tied for 11th in the league. Not only that, but Kuzma averages 1.27 PPP in transition, fifth in the league among players with at least 4 transition possessions per game.}{Kyrie Irving is considered one of the best finishers in NBA history, Luka gets to the rim at will, and standout rookie Dereck Lively II leads the entire league with a FG% of 79.1% in the restricted area (minimum of 4 field goal attempts per game in the restricted area). Kuzma, who is currently shooting 73.6% in the restricted area on 4.7 attempts per game,}
Seems like you have a bias against Kyle Kuzma or you would be posting this about Kuzma instead of me ..... Kuzma is in his prime yrs. and don't tell me or anyone else with a straight face you think Kuzma if traded to Sacramento and playing with Sabonis/Fox/ Murray wouldnt play better or with Dallas wouldnt play better with the passing of Doncic/Irving /& Exum.it's good to be a fan of the Wizards ,your team, but if you don't watch and pay attn to the rest of the NBA then don't venture past what you know ,like you know,you'll be corrected.
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Post#209 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:44 pm

tleikheen wrote:
tleikheen wrote:
It will be just like Rui, Porzingis and Beal who got trashed religiously in this forum for their supposed "weakness" It's crazy how the Phoenix fans love Beals play and how KP has made the Celtis as one of the top presumptive favorites, and how the Laker fans have been clamoring for Rui to start over Prince and Reddish. More fans want Darvin Ham fired than DC fans wanting WUJ fired.

You're right about Porzingis, who is having the best season of his career. Great to see that.

But, that's where it ends.

Bradley Beal is not having a good season overall. Not anywhere near as good as last year with us. His 3 pt % is up a bit, yes, but everything else is down. Not to mention that he's been available to play in fewer than half of Phoenix's games.

As to Rui in LA this year, he is playing a tiny bit better overall than he played with us his rookie year. He's scoring just a little better (@1.7 more points per 40 minutes & at a respectable .59 TS%, while rebounding a little bit worse: overall he's about the same, which is no surprise, since Rui never developed much. I wish him well, but he is about to turn 26. He's unlikely to go through any big changes.


Being on a winning team (Porzingis) and a favorite to win it all might be called your best season as far as winning but as far as having your best statistical year { Porzingis, who is having the best season of his career } thats not even close to true .He's shooting 3 pts better from the field and 3pts LESS from 3 pt line. He's getting 1.7 rpg LESS than last yr and .7 LESS apg . He's playing more impactful defense but its a big difference w/White and Holiday in front of you than Morris and Beal. Is he happier ,Im sure he is but probably wishes he was shooting like last yr.
True on Beal ,his stats are all down but since he got back to playing the last 17 games the Phoenix Suns are 12 W and 5L and climbing in the West. He wanted to play for a winning team and Phoenix is rising now that the Big 3 are healthy.
Now alot of debate goes on about Rui where most fans want him starting instead of Taurean Prince . Ham is on the hotseat for playing Prince and Reddish while barely playing .500 BB.Rui is doing Rui stuff shooting 49.9 percent from the field and 39.2 percent from 3 pt. AND {Rui Hachimura has the highest plus-minus for the Lakers this season, at +68}.

I don't think you watch much BB besides the Wizards and pretty much don't know what your talking about when it comes to other teams.

Now about Kuzma ( 65.3% of Kuzma’s field goals come off the dribble, according to NBA.com.)
{Last year, Luka Doncic was exceptionally efficient in the post, especially for a guard. Luka averaged 1.14 points per possession (PPP) on post ups, third in the entire league for players who averaged at least 3 post ups per game},not so good this yr at .89 PPP pts.{While Luka still leads the team, he’s in the 26th percentile in post scoring in the league,} {Kuzma, on the other hand, averages 1.1 PPP in the post this year. Good for 15th in the league among players with at least one post up possession per game.}{ Dallas is currently tied for second in the league (with Kuzma’s Wizards) with 1.21 PPP in transition. Kuzma lives in transition, as his 4.5 transition possessions per game are currently tied for 11th in the league. Not only that, but Kuzma averages 1.27 PPP in transition, fifth in the league among players with at least 4 transition possessions per game.}{Kyrie Irving is considered one of the best finishers in NBA history, Luka gets to the rim at will, and standout rookie Dereck Lively II leads the entire league with a FG% of 79.1% in the restricted area (minimum of 4 field goal attempts per game in the restricted area). Kuzma, who is currently shooting 73.6% in the restricted area on 4.7 attempts per game,}
Seems like you have a bias against Kyle Kuzma or you would be posting this about Kuzma instead of me ..... Kuzma is in his prime yrs. and don't tell me or anyone else with a straight face you think Kuzma if traded to Sacramento and playing with Sabonis/Fox/ Murray wouldnt play better or with Dallas wouldnt play better with the passing of Doncic/Irving /& Exum.it's good to be a fan of the Wizards ,your team, but if you don't watch and pay attn to the rest of the NBA then don't venture past what you know ,like you know,you'll be corrected.


Kind of a silly points of contention in my book if add some context to.

BOS was already a championship contender before Porzingis. You could argue the same for PHX, albeit admittedly maybe to a lesser degree the say maybe a Denver. Though, had they not lost to DEN, who knows with the points they were putting up. Lakers despite a hot close to last season have underwhelmed and regressed.

Porzingis is no longer a de facto first option, he's on a team with arguably one of the better 1-2 options in the league (though this hasn't yet bared fruit in the playoffs) where he can be a third option, and I really solid 4th and 5th options in White and Holiday. Beal is a distant third option on his team, which is what most here said he was always most suited for, and on any given night so far this season, Allen and Gordon have been the de facto third option with or without Beal in the lineup. As for Rui, haven't seen enough of this season, but once again has missed a significant chunk of the season (~30%) and is a below average rebounder and passer. I'll give you he can get buckets, but it always seems to be the same old nagging issues with him.

If Porzingis, Beal, and Rui were so great at playing basketball, and actually available to play, then why is it with Kuzma added in there- did we suck so much? In my own opinion, I think it's a combination of players getting paid more then they were worth as offensive weapons, being injury prone, and not playing defense.

Would you want any part of either Beal's and Rui's contracts? Some of arguably the worst in the league.
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Post#210 » by TGW » Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:50 pm

https://theathletic.com/5240031/2024/01/31/washington-wizards-trade-deadline-intel/


By David Aldridge and Josh Robbins
5h ago
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WASHINGTON — The Washington Wizards aren’t contending for the NBA title this season, but some of their players almost certainly will chase the Larry O’Brien Trophy in the months ahead.
Rival executives and rival front-office officials said they expect the Wizards to be active as the Feb. 8 trade deadline approaches.
It’s no secret that Monumental Basketball president Michael Winger and Wizards general manager Will Dawkins would like to add draft picks and high-upside young players.
No one should be surprised to hear that. It’s common sense. As everyone within the NBA community knows, Washington started a rebuild only recently — and began that rebuild without much of a jump start. Because Bradley Beal held a no-trade clause and would accept a deal only to the Phoenix Suns, the Wizards’ brand-new front office had zero leverage in trade talks and could not negotiate the kind of pick-laden deal they almost certainly would have preferred to make. Because Kristaps Porziņģis was prepared to decline his 2023-24 player option to become an unrestricted free agent, the Wizards had minimal leverage there too.
The Wizards have already made one deal that has helped salve at least a little of this wretched season, getting 24-year-old center Marvin Bagley III, 25-year-old forward Isaiah Livers and two future second-round picks for Danilo Gallinari and Mike Muscala, two veteran impending unrestricted free agents who weren’t going to be in D.C. next season. With Washington in no danger of exceeding the luxury tax threshold, Bagley’s $12.5 million for 2024-25 is easily absorbable into the Wizards’ finances. Perhaps the Wizards can mine the untapped potential that made Bagley a No. 2 overall pick, turn Livers into a serviceable 3-and-D player and either repackage the second-round picks or use the picks to find a diamond in the rough in the draft.
Winger and Dawkins have already made significant changes to the franchise they joined last spring, but they have much more work to do. To obtain draft picks and young players, they’ll have to deconstruct the roster further. The upcoming trade deadline offers an opportunity, as will the offseason and the 2024-25 trade deadline.
With a little more than a week remaining before this season’s deadline, which Wizards players could command trade offers? We’ll pore through the roster one player at a time in alphabetical order. Although we’re including Jordan Poole in this list, we don’t anticipate Poole to draw much (if any) interest.
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Deni Avdija
Position: Forward. Age: 23.
Potential fits: Atlanta Hawks, Oklahoma City Thunder, LA Clippers, Dallas Mavericks, Memphis Grizzlies.
Why the Wizards would trade him: It’s not that the Wizards would want to trade Avdija. Instead, he’s one of the few young players on the team who might command valuable draft picks or a promising young player in return.
There’s another potential consideration: Avdija and Bilal Coulibaly are competing against each other for playing time to a degree. Perhaps Washington could fill another position of need if it moves Avdija, which also would have the benefit of creating more time for Coulibaly. Still, other than Poole, Avdija could be the least likely player to be traded in the next week among the Wizards’ starters.
Why teams would want him: Even before this season, a good number of other teams regarded Avdija highly because of his positional size, ability to guard perimeter players, effort on defense and untapped potential as a secondary ballhandler. After all, Avdija is the No. 9 overall pick from 2020. His value no doubt has only grown in recent months after he signed a relatively inexpensive four-year, $55 million contract extension and improved as a 3-point shooter and his finishing through contact.
What a deal could look like: Because Avdija is a first-round pick whose rookie-scale contract extension hasn’t kicked in yet, any trade involving him before July 1 would be subject to the dastardly named poison pill provision. That’s a fancy way of saying that any team that receives Avdija in a trade right now would be considered as obtaining $12.3 million in salary (the average of his salaries for this season and the next four seasons) while the Wizards would be sending out just $6.3 million in salary (his salary for this season). The poison pill makes Avdija very difficult to trade for now, and it would require other players (or other teams) to be added to make the salaries match.

Fourth-year forward Deni Avdija has made strides this season. (Daniel Dunn / USA Today)
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Daniel Gafford
Position: Center. Age: 25.
Potential fits: New York Knicks.
Why the Wizards would trade him: Moving Gafford would be a surprise because A) Gafford is on a very reasonable deal by NBA standards for a starting center, B) Washington wouldn’t do any better replacing his production at his salary and C) Gafford and Avdija provide what little defensive presence the starting lineup contributes. As it is, even with the undersized Gafford trying to protect the rim, Washington is 28th in defensive rating and last in defensive-rebounding percentage.
Why teams would want him: Gafford has become a credible offensive threat. Once limited to dunks off lobs, he’s extended his range at least a few feet, to where he can catch, gather and score in the paint. His top-10 true shooting percentage, just above 71 percent, and a more-than-respectable PER of 19.46, along with a contract at a little less than $28 million total the next two seasons, make him a potentially attractive piece for a team needing another big.
What a deal could look like: The Knicks are suddenly hurting up front. Julius Randle is out for an extended period of time with a dislocated shoulder. And New York already needed a big after the season-ending injury to starting center Mitchell Robinson, which has left backup Isaiah Hartenstein sucking up monster minutes — though New York did get Precious Achiuwa from Toronto in the deal that brought OG Anunoby from the Raptors for Immanuel Quickley and RJ Barrett.
A prototype for a Gafford trade could be last February’s deal between the Clippers and Hornets, in which Charlotte sent center Mason Plumlee to LA for guard Reggie Jackson, a 2028 second-round pick and cash.
You’d guess under this framework that Washington would hold out for someone like New York guard Quentin Grimes, who has upside and defends well. But Grimes has been on Utah’s radar for some time too. A three-way deal in which Gafford would go to the Knicks, while Kelly Olynyk (who’s on an expiring contract), a young talent like Utah’s 2023 first-rounder Brice Sensabaugh and one of the Jazz’s myriad future firsts go to D.C., and Grimes and Evan Fournier go to Salt Lake City, would make sense too.
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Tyus Jones
Position: Point guard. Age: 27.
Potential fits: Philadelphia 76ers, Minnesota Timberwolves, Phoenix Suns, Boston Celtics.
Why the Wizards would trade him: Wizards officials value Jones’ professionalism, veteran leadership, floor spacing and ability to deliver on-time, on-target passes. But — and it’s an important “but” — Jones is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent this summer. Jones knows that team officials regard him highly, and he enjoys being a starter, but would Jones want to re-sign with a team that has a long, and likely arduous, rebuild ahead? If Jones wants to test unrestricted free agency in search of a contending team, then the Wizards would be well served to trade him now instead of risk losing him for nothing. They have asked teams that have inquired about Jones for a first-round pick.
Jones is in the final year of a two-year contract, and because teams are not permitted to extend existing contracts that span one or two years, he is ineligible for a contract extension.
Why teams would want him: While most contending teams have elite point guards, almost no one has a backup/potential spot starter of Jones’ quality. That, in turn, should make him valuable on the trade market, especially for teams that would pair Jones with capable defenders with positional size.
Jones does not turn the ball over. Period. His assist-to-turnover ratio is an almost unfathomable 7.63-to-1, which leads the league’s regular rotation players by so much it’s ridiculous. (For added context: Delon Wright and Chris Paul also have admirable assist-to-turnover ratios, at 7.40-to-1 and 6.05-to-1, respectively, but have played in far fewer games this season than Jones.)
Jones is the kind of ultra-dependable, experienced and durable point guard whom contending teams would love to have as insurance come playoff time. Making Jones even more attractive to potential suitors: He’s having the best offensive season of his career so far, with career highs in points (15.6 per game), field goal percentage (50 percent) and 3-point percentage (41 percent).
What a deal could look like: Washington could hold out for a lot. The Wizards would like to re-sign Jones and could do so at a number that makes sense for both sides — think the Lakers’ four-year, $54 million deal to keep Austin Reaves, maybe a little more. And the Wizards can offer Jones what most contenders can’t: a starting job for the foreseeable future. But the Wizards need more talent and picks so much that it’s fair to wonder whether they can afford not to trade Jones if a good offer is available.
So, if Minnesota really wants a reunion with Jones, who was there his first four NBA seasons, the Wizards would certainly hold out for a plus deal. Washington could ask for forward Leonard Miller, an early second-round pick in 2023 whose draft rights were sent from San Antonio to Minnesota and is putting up big numbers for Minnesota’s G League team, and also ask Minnesota to give back the conditional 2024 second-round pick (the less favorable of either Memphis’ or Washington’s second-round selections in ’24) the Wizards are currently slated to give to the Wolves.

Tyus Jones has enjoyed a banner season in Washington. (Daniel Dunn / USA Today)
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Corey Kispert
Position: Swingman. Age: 24.
Potential fits: Orlando Magic, Houston Rockets.
Why the Wizards would trade him: A team that went 11 months between winning consecutive games can, and should, make anyone on its roster available, even younger guys like Kispert who still are developing.
Why teams would want him: Kispert has become more than a catch-and-shoot guy in his third pro season. His improved handle has allowed him to be able to get to the basket much more frequently this season against defenders who have to close out hard on him. His 3-point numbers are down a little this season, but not enough to cause alarm. He still gets hunted defensively, but his offensive efficiency keeps him on the floor. If he played on a better team that could help/hide him defensively (Houston or Orlando, perhaps), he’d become even more effective.
He’ll be in line for a rookie extension after this season, so teams would certainly have to take that into account when looking at acquiring him; you’d think Aaron Nesmith’s three-year, $33 million extension with Indiana before this season would be a realistic comp for a new Kispert deal.
What a deal could look like: The Rockets have a traded player exception of $4.5 million from their trade of Kevin Porter Jr. to Oklahoma City last fall, which would be large enough to take in Kispert’s $3.7 million salary this season. Washington could then see if the Rockets would part with one of their future firsts; Houston also has multiple first-round picks and/or pick swaps still incoming from Brooklyn from the James Harden deal in 2021.
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Kyle Kuzma
Position: Forward. Age: 28.
Potential fits: Dallas Mavericks, Sacramento Kings.
Why the Wizards would trade him: Kuzma is Washington’s best and most consistent offensive player this season. His averages of 21.9 points and 4.4 assists per game this season are career highs. His defensive-rebounding rate of 16.9 percent is a little less than his rate last year and far below his career-best rate of 21.3 percent set during his first season in Washington. His 3-point shooting also has stagnated. Still, Kuzma has received attention from several playoff teams, and he was a key contributor to the Lakers’ championship run in the 2020 NBA bubble. If Washington were to trade him, it would get much more for him now — with three-plus years left on his current deal — than next season or in 2026.
Why teams would want him: Kuzma has a very favorable contract going forward, having re-signed with Washington last summer for four years at $90 million guaranteed. Most importantly, his contract descends year-by-year, starting with this year’s salary of $25.6 million and going down to $19.4 million in the final year in 2026-27. That was done by design; it gets Kuzma more money up front than he would have under a more traditional contract structure but also makes him easier to move. (His deal does include a 15 percent trade kicker, however.)
Obviously, Kuzma wouldn’t be the No. 1 or No. 2 offensive option, as he is with the Wizards, for most contending teams. Ideally, he’d be your third option, which you could argue he was here last season behind Beal and Porziņģis. Would he chafe at a role as a third option on a contender? At this point of his career, he is not interested in returning to the role he had in L.A. as a spot-up shooter in the corner, waiting for passes from LeBron James and/or Anthony Davis. But, he’s talented, and long, and is still just 28.
What a deal could look like: League sources maintain Washington has been holding out for two first-round picks for Kuzma, though team sources indicate that is somewhat overblown. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
The Sacramento Kings have coveted Kuzma for some time. They had a deal done for him in 2021 for Buddy Hield while he was with the Lakers only to see L.A. pivot and then deal Kuzma to Washington in the multi-team trade that sent Russell Westbrook to the Lakers. Sacramento had interest in signing Kuzma this summer as an unrestricted free agent before he re-signed in D.C. And the Kings have been a bit off-kilter for large parts of this season.
There’s a relatively clean trade for the teams to make, with Kings guard Kevin Huerter coming back to the DMV after starring at Maryland in college. At 25, on a good contract (a little more than $34 million total in the last two years of his deal, through 2025-26), the 6-foot-7 Huerter fell out of favor in Sacramento at the start of the season, though he’s played better of late. He would give Washington positional size at the two-guard spot, whether starting or coming off the bench, or he could slide up to a small-forward role. As a career 38 percent shooter from behind the arc, Huerter is on every team’s scouting report.
Adding veteran forward Trey Lyles to the deal would make it work financially. And the Wizards could certainly flip Huerter and/or Lyles for more draft capital if they desired.
If Dallas is indeed in on Kuzma, the Wizards would have to be willing to take on either veteran Maxi Kleber or veteran Richaun Holmes, neither of whom fits the Wizards’ expected player-development timeline, along with whichever young players and/or picks in which Washington would have interest. Rookie forward Olivier-Maxence Prosper would fit the young-player profile, but it’s unclear at best whether Prosper would interest the Wizards. It is possible that a potential deal with Dallas could expand so that Kleber and/or Holmes were rerouted to a third team, with Washington getting the requisite young players and/or picks it wants from that team.

Kyle Kuzma is averaging 21.9 points per game this season. (Tommy Gilligan / USA Today)
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Jordan Poole
Position: Shooting guard. Age: 24.
Potential fits: Only a team that is looking to get rid of an untradable contract.
Why the Wizards would trade him: On the court, Poole’s first season in Washington has been near disastrous. There have been many nights during the first half of the season in which he didn’t look like a capable NBA starting guard. He’s made only 41 percent of his shots overall and just 31 percent of his 3-point tries. And worse, he’s played atrocious defense for the majority of the season.
And then there’s that contract. He’s in the first year of a four-year contract worth $123 million guaranteed. He signed that extension when he was a member of the Golden State Warriors.
Why teams would want him: Given his inconsistent play at both ends, and given that he’d likely be coming off the bench for a contending team, it’s hard to think of any team that would happily take on the remaining three years and $95 million-plus on his deal. You would think a team would be looking to unload a similarly onerous contract.
But you can’t discount the possibility entirely. Poole can score, especially if he’s surrounded by high-gravity teammates who can open the floor for him. And while Poole does things in games that drive people in the organization to distraction, he has, by most accounts, tried to be a good teammate here. That controversy about his behavior during a timeout late in a game in Brooklyn this season was a nothing-burger stirred up by a video edit.
Still, the chances of Poole being dealt by the deadline are remote at best. For Washington to rid itself of Poole’s terrible contract, it would have to take on either a similarly bad contract or include draft capital (and the Wizards’ cannot afford to part with the relatively minimal draft capital they have).
What a deal could look like: It’s almost impossible to find any team that would be willing to take on Poole. A team that’s always looking to win and has taken chances on mercurial talent in the past, and which is also offensively challenged — read: Miami — would have made at least theoretical sense. But the Heat made their move recently by trading Kyle Lowry to Charlotte for Terry Rozier.
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Landry Shamet
Position: Combo guard. Age: 26.
Potential fits: Miami Heat, Orlando Magic, Los Angeles Lakers, Phoenix Suns.
Why the Wizards would trade him: With Coulibaly, Avdija and Kispert needing (and deserving) playing time, minutes have been relatively thin for Shamet.
Why teams would want him: Shamet has 53 games of postseason experience, and his steadiness, long-range shooting and defense would provide ideal depth for a contending team. It also helps that his $11 million salary for next season is non-guaranteed and that he has a 2025-26 team option worth $11.75 million. In other words, he can be used as an expiring salary this offseason for a team facing a luxury tax crunch.
What a deal could look like: Shamet could command a protected second-round pick.
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Delon Wright
Position: Combo guard. Age: 31.
Potential fits: Milwaukee Bucks
Why the Wizards would trade him: Wright will be an unrestricted free agent after this season, so there’s little chance the veteran will want to stick around. Moving him before the deadline would be wise roster maintenance.
Why teams would want him: Wright’s defensive impact has slipped a little this season, though it’s fair to add that the defense behind him has been so bad that it’s certainly not all his fault. But he’s still an excellent on-ball guard whose size, smarts and length make him among the best in the league at causing deflections and creating general havoc for opposing half-court offenses. A team like the Bucks, which has fallen off considerably on defense this season, could use an upgrade like Wright to back up Damian Lillard on the ball or play alongside Lillard to get the All-Star off the opposition’s top guard threats.
What a deal could look like: Milwaukee is deep into the luxury tax and doesn’t have much in the way of draft assets after sending most of its future first-rounders to New Orleans (for Jrue Holiday) and Portland (for Lillard). All the Bucks control outright over the next several years are their own 2024 and 2027 second-round picks. A deal with the Bucks would be difficult to pull off.
The Wizards could, though, take in a salary for Wright like Milwaukee’s veteran wing Pat Connaughton by absorbing him into one of their traded player exceptions for draft picks that could be protected to the point where they’d likely never convey to the Bucks. Washington has a $9.8 million TPE, for example, that it received from Detroit in the Monté Morris trade last summer. Connaughton’s $9.4 million salary for this season would fit into that slot. In this scenario, Washington would likely then try to flip the 31-year-old Connaughton either at the deadline or next summer for future assets.


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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#211 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Thu Feb 1, 2024 12:42 am

I like Aldridge a lot, but you can never have too many big wings that can guard multiple positions. No need to trade Deni because there is some overlap with Bilal and Deni.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#212 » by payitforward » Thu Feb 1, 2024 2:57 am

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You're right about Porzingis, who is having the best season of his career. Great to see that.

...Being on a winning team (Porzingis) and a favorite to win it all might be called your best season as far as winning but as far as having your best statistical year { Porzingis, who is having the best season of his career } thats not even close to true

Not sure what there is to argue about here... but I guess we'll find a way, huh? :)

Porzingis is down @2 points per 40 minutes from last year, but he's doing it on almost 3 fewer FGAs per 40 minutes. He's still a volume scorer, & his TS% is at a career high. His efg% is at a career high too.

KP's career average TS% is 57% (way below average for a Center).
But with us last year, it was 62.6%. This year it's 65.5%

His defensive boards per 40 minutes are down from last year. Otherwise the rest of his numbers are the same as last year or maybe just slightly better.

Best year of his career, no doubt about it.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#213 » by pancakes3 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 3:46 pm

Is there ANY way to unload poole? I was talking with my buddy yesterday and both agreed that he's untradeable (we saw someone in a Poole jersey and laughed that, well, at least you know he's not going anywhere).

Do a s&t with upcoming free agents?

Klay back to GSW - nope
Tobias Harris in Philly - nope
Harden in LAC - nope
Hayward in CHA - um, maybe?
Buddy Hield in IND - nope

2025 Expirings?

Lebron, PG13, Jamal Murray, Brandon Ingram. nope, nope, nope, and nope.
Ben Simmons - actually don't hate this, and might actually work.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#214 » by nate33 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:41 pm

pancakes3 wrote:Is there ANY way to unload poole? I was talking with my buddy yesterday and both agreed that he's untradeable (we saw someone in a Poole jersey and laughed that, well, at least you know he's not going anywhere).

Do a s&t with upcoming free agents?

Klay back to GSW - nope
Tobias Harris in Philly - nope
Harden in LAC - nope
Hayward in CHA - um, maybe?
Buddy Hield in IND - nope

2025 Expirings?

Lebron, PG13, Jamal Murray, Brandon Ingram. nope, nope, nope, and nope.
Ben Simmons - actually don't hate this, and might actually work.

There really is no way.

The only plausible scenario I can see is something involving Poole for Lonzo Ball's contract. But Chicago would probably demand that we include pick incentive.
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Post#215 » by gambitx777 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 7:39 pm

Well we shall find out in a couple days


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Post#216 » by payitforward » Thu Feb 1, 2024 7:59 pm

tleikheen wrote:
As to Rui in LA this year, he is playing a tiny bit better overall than he played with us his rookie year. He's scoring just a little better (@1.7 more points per 40 minutes & at a respectable .59 TS%, while rebounding a little bit worse: overall he's about the same, which is no surprise, since Rui never developed much. I wish him well, but he is about to turn 26. He's unlikely to go through any big changes.

Now alot of debate goes on about Rui where most fans want him starting instead of Taurean Prince . Ham is on the hotseat for playing Prince and Reddish while barely playing .500 BB.Rui is doing Rui stuff shooting 49.9 percent from the field and 39.2 percent from 3 pt. AND {Rui Hachimura has the highest plus-minus for the Lakers this season, at +68}.

Whether Rui should be playing instead of Prince and/or Reddish is a different question from the question of how well Rui is playing. He's definitely playing better than either of those guys. Hence, I agree with the idea that he should be getting more minutes than they get.

If, instead, we compare Rui in '23-24 to Rui in '19-20, then we can get a picture of how much he's progressed.

He's definitely become a better scorer. Per 36 minutes, he's scoring 1.7 more points than he did his rookie year. Better yet, he's doing it on virtually the same number of FGAs & FTAs he took in '19-20. Which means that his TS% has risen from 53.6% to 59%. That's a very nice jump!

On the composite of the rest of his numbers (offensive & defensive boards, assists, blocks, steals, TOs, & fouls), OTOH, Rui is somewhat down.

Overall, without a doubt, Rui has improved somewhat, which I'm really glad to see.

tleikheen wrote:I don't think you watch much BB besides the Wizards and pretty much don't know what your talking about when it comes to other teams....

I like it better when we all try to avoid language like "you don't know what you're talking about." How about we acknowledge that knowledgeable people can actually differ?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#217 » by FAH1223 » Fri Feb 2, 2024 6:08 pm

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Tyus for 2nds seems likely

Kuz is pursued by SAC and DAL
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Post#218 » by badinage » Fri Feb 2, 2024 7:06 pm

If Kuzma is only going to net one first-round pick — and from a team that is late in the pecking order (as Dallas and Sacramento are), then I dearly hope they get back a young player who has shown flashes and who could emerge as he develops. But who? Jaden Hardy on Dallas and who else?

That Aldridge piece is awful in its characterization of what Beal did. He didn’t HAVE to go to Phoenix only. Letter of the law said that that was within his right. Spirit of the law would have been to say to the franchise that drafted, developed, nurtured, and gave you the keys: here are 4-5 teams I’d consider. To not present what happened — to buy into the player’s bullshxt, the agent’s bullshxt — is disheartening. (Typical, though, of a certain kind of corporate journalism that is all about pragmatism and acceptance of the rules and rule of money.) Fact: Beal screwed the Wizards, and caused the team to lose, too, on KP and not get real value.

What I don’t get: why first-round picks are so suddenly difficult to come by AND ALSO why second-round picks are suddenly seen as having some sort of value they didn’t have even just three years ago. What’s happening?

Re: first-rounders. 5-10 years ago, a player like Tyus Jones — smart, good shooter, great decision-maker — *undeniably* would have netted a FRP from a playoff team trying to make a push. Why not now?

If all he nets is two seconds, Winger/Dawkins should tell a fellow GM to GTFOH. Don’t trade him. Don’t cave. They’re so desperate for picks, any picks, they’ve been so grateful for crumbs. It’s undignified. It has to stop.

I wouldn’t trade Kuzma for less than a FRP + a young gun who might take a step or two.

Also? I don’t think a burn-it-to-build-it-back GM like Winger understands that you can’t just be an utter joke for three years. The thinking is: well, three years — but look where we’ll be. And maybe. But maybe not. Dallas still isn’t good. Atlanta. Sacramento is much better but still not really good. Etc.

And I really dislike having the machinery exposed, as Winger and Co. are doing. Every game is a reminder that this team isn’t trying to win. Isn’t. Trying. To. Win. The entire point of a game and of a sport. Weeks of this. Months of it. All meaningless.
And cynical — so cynical.

Why pay attention? Why doesn’t Winger — or, for that matter, any GM of any team in any sport that disdains trying to win — just say to the fans: “Look, folks, we’ll see you in 4 years; do what you need to: read books, see some movies, spend time cooking, etc. If things change — if the timetable speeds up and we are committed to trying to win games — we’ll reach back out. But otherwise? We’re not counting on you, and we’re not blaming you either. We aren’t going to sell tickets — we’ll fill the arena with blow-up dolls and create some bullshxt spectacle with dancers and magicians and whatnot. We’ll update you once a month via email, unless you choose to opt out — which is totally okay; we get it; we would too!”

If it’s entirely reasonable/within the letter of the law to NOT try and to be so open about it, why not be entirely open? Burn the whole effing apparatus to the ground. Don’t have fans attend games, or, if you simply feel you must, don’t charge them. A gesture of goodness. A way of saying: we understand and we’re sorry. And getting these players and execs out into the city and doing actual things (as opposed to the kind of photo op/feel-good horseshxt that they do now) — public works, and in all parts of DC, Md., and Va. Construction. Directing traffic. Re-facing buildings. Etc. As a way of paying back and paying penance. As a way of saying: we are here to serve, while we build back our tattered reputation.

Instead, what we have is business as per yoozh. Uninspiredness. A lack of ideas. A lack of understanding.
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Post#219 » by payitforward » Fri Feb 2, 2024 7:13 pm

If two teams both want Kuz, that will help increase the return we can get -- making it more likely he gets traded.

That said, "more likely" does not mean "100%." If Will thinks he can get more for him in the off season, he's likely to wait.
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Post#220 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 2, 2024 8:07 pm

badinage wrote:If Kuzma is only going to net one first-round pick — and from a team that is late in the pecking order (as Dallas and Sacramento are), then I dearly hope they get back a young player who has shown flashes and who could emerge as he develops. But who? Jaden Hardy on Dallas and who else?

Agreed. If all Kuzma is worth is one middle-to-late FRP, then keep him. I expect that's what will happen.

badinage wrote:That Aldridge piece is awful in its characterization of what Beal did. He didn’t HAVE to go to Phoenix only. Letter of the law said that that was within his right. Spirit of the law would have been to say to the franchise that drafted, developed, nurtured, and gave you the keys: here are 4-5 teams I’d consider. To not present what happened — to buy into the player’s bullshxt, the agent’s bullshxt — is disheartening. (Typical, though, of a certain kind of corporate journalism that is all about pragmatism and acceptance of the rules and rule of money.) Fact: Beal screwed the Wizards, and caused the team to lose, too, on KP and not get real value.

The characterization is accurate. Beal had a no trade clause. Beal knew we wanted to rebuild. Our choices were: trade him to where he wanted to go, or keep him and pay him $50M a year to sulk and/or not play at all, which would only tank his trade value further.

badinage wrote:What I don’t get: why first-round picks are so suddenly difficult to come by AND ALSO why second-round picks are suddenly seen as having some sort of value they didn’t have even just three years ago. What’s happening?

The harder cap of the new CBA has made GM's more cost conscious. The fact is, rookie scale contracts are often very good value. If you are paying two superstars, the only way to build out your roster with adequate depth is if a couple of those complementary players are on rookie scale contracts making $3-6M a year. Basically, draft picks are more valuable than they used to be.

badinage wrote:Re: first-rounders. 5-10 years ago, a player like Tyus Jones — smart, good shooter, great decision-maker — *undeniably* would have netted a FRP from a playoff team trying to make a push. Why not now?

If all he nets is two seconds, Winger/Dawkins should tell a fellow GM to GTFOH. Don’t trade him. Don’t cave. They’re so desperate for picks, any picks, they’ve been so grateful for crumbs. It’s undignified. It has to stop.

Tyus is an unusual case because he is too small to play any minutes at SG. That means he is either a starting PG or a backup PG. Teams who would consider Tyus an upgrade over their existing starting point guard probably aren't a contender in the first place, so are going to think twice about giving away a FRP for a 40-game rental. And teams who would play Tyus as the backup would only be playing him 14 minutes a night and it's hard to justify sacrificing a FRP for a 14 mpg player.

badinage wrote:I don’t think a burn-it-to-build-it-back GM like Winger understands that you can’t just be an utter joke for three years. The thinking is: well, three years — but look where we’ll be. And maybe. But maybe not. Dallas still isn’t good. Atlanta. Sacramento is much better but still not really good. Etc.

And I really dislike having the machinery exposed, as Winger and Co. are doing. Every game is a reminder that this team isn’t trying to win. Isn’t. Trying. To. Win. The entire point of a game and of a sport. Weeks of this. Months of it. All meaningless.
And cynical — so cynical.

I honestly think the team is trying to win and just aren't very good at it. Most of the concern at the start of the season was that they would be a bit too good to finish in the bottom 4 and get the best odds on #1 pick. Trading Kuzma would of course torpedo the idea that we are even trying to win, but frankly, when your record is 9-38 with 37 games to go, it's time to think about the future and not now.

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