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Unless the stitch it back and don't trim it not good. The more they cut off the worse his knee will get. It'll be arthritic and then eventually bone on bone. Dwade said he always regretted having it cut.Negrodamus wrote:
Makes me feel like he’s going the surgery route then unless it really is a bad interpretation of the information
ThisSkates wrote:Stanford wrote:A new phrase in the ever-growing process lexicon.
This is a fairly common injury, a tear of the lateral meniscus that flops over onto itself. How do I know this? I am sitting here rehabbing exactly the same injury in my right and much older knee than Joel's. Tried the rehab process, because insurance insisted on it, got really nowhere with it, improvement of the other injuries around the meniscus tear and flap, but no improvement in that area. Finally has surgery, which is arthroscopic, and was walking within a week. Its six weeks past surgery and I am still having some issues, but most of those are due to the extended and unsuccessful rehab period earlier along with not walking right for three months before the surgery.
Now, for a man of Joel's age and profession the choice might more complicated since for a young, athletic person they would try a meniscus repair, which has a longer, more lasting recovery than mine which they just went in and removed the offending flap and smoothed the edges of the remaining meniscus cartilage around it. Repair can't be done too late or it can't be repaired and has a longer recovery, but that procedure will be much better for him for the next bunch of years by mitigating the amount of cartilage lost, if any.
You should post this on the Embiid injury thread on the gb.Skates wrote:Stanford wrote:A new phrase in the ever-growing process lexicon.
This is a fairly common injury, a tear of the lateral meniscus that flops over onto itself. How do I know this? I am sitting here rehabbing exactly the same injury in my right and much older knee than Joel's. Tried the rehab process, because insurance insisted on it, got really nowhere with it, improvement of the other injuries around the meniscus tear and flap, but no improvement in that area. Finally has surgery, which is arthroscopic, and was walking within a week. Its six weeks past surgery and I am still having some issues, but most of those are due to the extended and unsuccessful rehab period earlier along with not walking right for three months before the surgery.
Now, for a man of Joel's age and profession the choice might more complicated since for a young, athletic person they would try a meniscus repair, which has a longer, more lasting recovery than mine which they just went in and removed the offending flap and smoothed the edges of the remaining meniscus cartilage around it. Repair can't be done too late or it can't be repaired and has a longer recovery, but that procedure will be much better for him for the next bunch of years by mitigating the amount of cartilage lost, if any.
Hahaha, good point.Skates wrote:The GB is a dark place I avoid at all times, lol.
Arsenal wrote:It would be foolish to burn any assets for a short term fix for this season. This season is functionally over. Time to make moves focusing on next year and beyond.
M2J wrote:Yeah, I saw a YouTube doctor say he could still take all 3 routes. Rest it, trim it, full repair are all options. I hope he goes the trim route and returns in 2 months
Like I said before, any sprain or most injuries to that ligament is a tear. Either partial or full tear (which would require the full surgery, and I'm sure he'll avoid that right now)
In his case, he tore his meniscus. So one, whatever portion of it that’s torn is not really going to work anymore. And the reason I start with that is because then one of the options is surgery, which is to go remove that flap, that tear of the meniscus.
The best analogy I give patients is that it’s sort of like a hangnail, right? You have a hangnail, a little flap. Sometimes it’s sitting exactly where it’s supposed to sit, and not going to bother you. If you push away from your nail, you pull against your nail and you irritate it, it hurts. So that’s likely what’s going on with that flap.
He could have had that for a while now, that could have been his ongoing injury. And he’s been playing through it, it’s bothering him now and then. Sometimes the flap is sitting where it’s supposed to sit, and everything’s fine. Other times, it’s flapping around in there, and it’s going to cause a lot of irritation, pain, and swelling.
Based on what you said, there seem to be multiple recovery paths. How do you determine the appropriate recovery plan? How often is surgery typically recommended?
The gold standard mainstay of treatment is non-operative. So if it was you who walked into my office, I’d say, “Hey, non-operative treatment is the way to go. Give it six weeks, do some physical therapy, try to strengthen the muscles up around your knee, and give your body a chance to calm down.” And that’s been shown to lead to a course of being symptom-free.
The meniscus doesn’t have a good blood supply for the most part. So it doesn’t necessarily heal. People will ask, “Well, am I going to heal in six weeks?” I’d typically say, well, you’re not really going to heal. You’re just not going to be symptomatic in six weeks. Right? There’s a difference there.
So that meniscal tear for the most part, once it’s torn, it’s torn. It’s not mending back together. It’s not like cutting your skin. Torn is torn. It’s just that in some patients — we know because we study it — with physical therapy given six weeks, the pain goes away and they go on living life and participating in sports and don’t have any trouble.
On that timeline, you’re probably talking about a return in the middle of the second round.
That’s their dilemma, right? They’re probably looking at that same timeline saying alright, we go non-operative, and if that doesn’t work, he’s basically done and he’s not coming back. And then you throw in, I say six weeks, that’s just you can go back and play. But you’re likely not going to be at a pro level. It’s tough to keep your cardio up when you can’t move your leg. You can do upper body and all that, but cardiovascularly, he’s going to have trouble.
So I think that’s their big dilemma, is they wait and it doesn’t work, and then he does surgery. Good chance the season’s probably scrapped. Versus saying hey, let’s jump in and take care of it in six weeks, eight weeks on a very conservative timeline, and then they make a run at the playoffs.
Eyeamok wrote:I'm of the opinion that Embiid does not return for this season.
Morey get's to really see what he is working with. Making decisions about who stays who goes and what this team really needs has become a lot more easier for him, if Joel does not play for the rest of the season. You basically have an MVP type player coming back next season, a young all star, an excellent coach, cap space and assets, it's a soft restart. Now what are you going to do? It's an exciting time to be a 76ers fan. Let's see what the young guys can do. What's going on leading up to the trade deadline, the draft and off season.
I honestly believe that Adam Silver and the Colangelo's derailed the original process. Now we have the soft process 2.0 with a more mature starting point. And the guy Hinkie studied under running the show.
eyeatoma wrote:Eyeamok wrote:I'm of the opinion that Embiid does not return for this season.
Morey get's to really see what he is working with. Making decisions about who stays who goes and what this team really needs has become a lot more easier for him, if Joel does not play for the rest of the season. You basically have an MVP type player coming back next season, a young all star, an excellent coach, cap space and assets, it's a soft restart. Now what are you going to do? It's an exciting time to be a 76ers fan. Let's see what the young guys can do. What's going on leading up to the trade deadline, the draft and off season.
I honestly believe that Adam Silver and the Colangelo's derailed the original process. Now we have the soft process 2.0 with a more mature starting point. And the guy Hinkie studied under running the show.
I highly doubt that happens. If he can get right and come back they'll do it. No way Jo lets that happen, or the team. His future in the NBA is ticking away. He'll always be injury prone. If the team can get some solid pieces and he can return by late March/early April, they'll probably test their luck. Might not be great for his long term prognosis but I doubt Embiid cares if he can win a chip.
Eyeamok wrote:eyeatoma wrote:Eyeamok wrote:I'm of the opinion that Embiid does not return for this season.
Morey get's to really see what he is working with. Making decisions about who stays who goes and what this team really needs has become a lot more easier for him, if Joel does not play for the rest of the season. You basically have an MVP type player coming back next season, a young all star, an excellent coach, cap space and assets, it's a soft restart. Now what are you going to do? It's an exciting time to be a 76ers fan. Let's see what the young guys can do. What's going on leading up to the trade deadline, the draft and off season.
I honestly believe that Adam Silver and the Colangelo's derailed the original process. Now we have the soft process 2.0 with a more mature starting point. And the guy Hinkie studied under running the show.
I highly doubt that happens. If he can get right and come back they'll do it. No way Jo lets that happen, or the team. His future in the NBA is ticking away. He'll always be injury prone. If the team can get some solid pieces and he can return by late March/early April, they'll probably test their luck. Might not be great for his long term prognosis but I doubt Embiid cares if he can win a chip.
He's done for the season.
Bum Adebayo wrote:Phila Tough wrote:The way Embiid was treated after the Denver game took me out a bit. Lets ignore that this is 7'2 240+ man, lets ignore that he plays and moves like a guard, and above all, lets forget that he has an extensive injury history. We'll all just come to the conclusion that he's ducking the guy he just cooked two weeks ago. They rarely even guard each other during their matchups, that's what makes the ducking acquisitions even more absurd. Embiid shouldn't have been playing if was hurt vs GSW, and the Sixers have to ignore the outside noise and do what's best for us. Very disappointed but not surprised
Not this again, he is NOT ducking Jokic in Denver, he is ducking the altitude, he almost never plays in Denver as well as he skips Utah most of the time.
eyeatoma wrote:Eyeamok wrote:eyeatoma wrote:
I highly doubt that happens. If he can get right and come back they'll do it. No way Jo lets that happen, or the team. His future in the NBA is ticking away. He'll always be injury prone. If the team can get some solid pieces and he can return by late March/early April, they'll probably test their luck. Might not be great for his long term prognosis but I doubt Embiid cares if he can win a chip.
He's done for the season.
I'd be very suprised if that's the decision. If it is, its far more serious than they're letting on. The fact that they told Shams it's not a tear means that they are trying to underplay it.
Also, on Kevin O'Connor on his podcast said he heard he's out until the all star break
TrueEyeamok wrote:eyeatoma wrote:
I'd be very suprised if that's the decision. If it is, its far more serious than they're letting on. The fact that they told Shams it's not a tear means that they are trying to underplay it.
Also, on Kevin O'Connor on his podcast said he heard he's out until the all star break
If the team is underplaying it then that is great news and thank you. But until I see him back on the court this season playing at the same level he was before he left I am not going to believe it. It's the frigging 76ers come on man you can't blame me.
eyeatoma wrote:Eyeamok wrote:I'm of the opinion that Embiid does not return for this season.
Morey get's to really see what he is working with. Making decisions about who stays who goes and what this team really needs has become a lot more easier for him, if Joel does not play for the rest of the season. You basically have an MVP type player coming back next season, a young all star, an excellent coach, cap space and assets, it's a soft restart. Now what are you going to do? It's an exciting time to be a 76ers fan. Let's see what the young guys can do. What's going on leading up to the trade deadline, the draft and off season.
I honestly believe that Adam Silver and the Colangelo's derailed the original process. Now we have the soft process 2.0 with a more mature starting point. And the guy Hinkie studied under running the show.
I highly doubt that happens. If he can get right and come back they'll do it. No way Jo lets that happen, or the team. His future in the NBA is ticking away. He'll always be injury prone. If the team can get some solid pieces and he can return by late March/early April, they'll probably test their luck. Might not be great for his long term prognosis but I doubt Embiid cares if he can win a chip.