Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas -Trade Deadline Thursday 2 pm CT

[ShootingtheJ]

Bobby for Grant Williams would piss me off. He’s been brutal this year. Basically a fat version of last years Grayson Allen.

Yeah, Grant can't dribble, finish at the basket, or rebound. His only value was defending Giannis types.

[msiris]

Dunn is another buy low canidate. Shouldn't give alot for him. Pretty small or a sg. muh

[ShootingtheJ]

Nehm's proposed trades are interesting. I remember seeing Dunn playing in the G league in Oshkosh not long ago and he could have been had for absolutely nothing.

When people praise certain GMs like Horst, you need to account for things they didn't do. Giving up Marjon and a second for a journeyman is a steep price when Horst could have had him for nothing a year ago. But I would do it, mainly because I've always been a Dunn fan, all the way back to college.

I'd do that trade and then offer Bobby (my soulmate), PC and AJJ (who I like) for Caruso. The loss of Bobby's scoring and rebounding will be a problem, but not much you can do about it.

I would also consider adding Beasley to the trade to Chicago and keeping AJJ. Then start playing Green more off the bench.

I anyways thought bringing in Dragic instead of Dunn felt like a Bud move. Bud loved to try to turn back the clock with geezers.

[LuessiT]

I don't mind adding Grant Williams. He at least fits the mold of player we should add. In terms of value though, I have Bobby >> Grant.

[Badgerlander]

I don't mind adding Grant Williams. He at least fits the mold of player we should add. In terms of value though, I have Bobby >> Grant.

Nah, even Pat is more useful than Grant and so is Jae. We would be giving up a pick to dump that contract in a year

Deni Avidja is a way more versatile useful player.

[ShootingtheJ]

Many are down on Pat, simply because he's been forced to be misused this year. Yeah, he's not a PoA defender, never has been. He can't pick people up 35' from the hoop, never could. He can still guard 3 and small 4s, hit 3s, rebound, and hustle.

[German Athens]

My worry with either thybulle or Caruso (to a lesser degree) on offense is their willingness to shoot.

I think we stare at average percentage from outside a little too much, and I wish standard deviation of attempts was easy to find (it may not yield any interesting takeaways though). They have both increased their volume this year, but I still don’t know that they’d put up 8+ 3 point attempts in a playoff game.

Teams are always going to help off pat, Bobby, brook, etc. to stop a Giannis drive because if they don’t, it’s easy money. Those players shooting 1/4 on 3’s or even 2/4 on 3’s won’t change how the defense reacts. The thing that will is scaling up volume when you’re hot.

There are only a few players that will make a defense scramble regardless of whether they’re feeling it from outside (curry). For most other players, they have to prove that they can hit them that day to make the defense change their coverages.


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[raferfenix]

If Murray to Milwaukee was dead or never really a thing I don’t think Nehm would include it.

Grant Williams is betting on Jason Kidd being awful.

Could see Rich Paul insisting MarJon go somewhere other than Utah.

[Prez]

I can't remember the last time I wanted a role player on this team more than Caruso. Lineup of Dame/Caruso/Khris/Giannis/Brook would annihilate teams. It'd be like our version of Denver getting Aaron Gordon and everything falling into place perfectly. It's such a bummer that we won't be able to get him, both because of our limited assets and Chicago being dumb as ****.

[randy84]

If Murray to Milwaukee was dead or never really a thing I don’t think Nehm would include it.

Grant Williams is betting on Jason Kidd being awful.

Could see Rich Paul insisting MarJon go somewhere other than Utah.

I think he included it to say that Atlanta was calling around the league to see who would be interested in Murray and what they would be willing to give up. Nehm also said that the Bucks didn't have as much to offer as other teams.

[pifhluk23]

Bobby, Pat, MarJon and the two 2nds we have for Tyus and Gafford. Let WA figure out if they want to re-route Bobby or Pat somewhere.

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I really like this, he could be our slightly poor man's Derrick White, he's short though.

[soxperry]

Im new to looking at stats like LEBRON and all the stuff on cleaning the glass so ive been looking up everyone lately..

George Hill was such a great pickup for us. Per LEBRON, he was break even offensively but a +.92 defensively the season prior to the trade. The season we got him, his offense shot up to +1.98 while his defense stayed where it was. For reference, Derrick White is +2.22 offense and +1.37 defense this year.

No one is really talking about Konchar but hes up to +1.72 on D now. His offensive lebron is very bad this season but he has never had a season lower than -.52 prior to this one. Certainly, playing with absolute nobodies doesnt help and being thrust into our offense should benefit him in that area.

Dunn is a -.75 offense and break even on defense this year. Historically not very impressive, but uts just one metric.


After being above +3 in total lebron each of his three seasons in Milwaukee, Jrue is now at +.67 O and +.10 D. From that metric, its his worst season by far since he was 22. Dame is a total of +2.75. Good trade.

Delon Wright: -.36, +.51

Unfortunately, almost every player you could target that has a positive D lebron with at least serviceable o lebron already plays for a team with playoff hopes. Possible solutions could be Orlando players if they want an offense for defense swap.

[engelmartin]

Why not Zeke Nnaji?

[ShootingtheJ]

Im new to looking at stats like LEBRON and all the stuff on cleaning the glass so ive been looking up everyone lately..

George Hill was such a great pickup for us. Per LEBRON, he was break even offensively but a +.92 defensively the season prior to the trade. The season we got him, his offense shot up to +1.98 while his defense stayed where it was. For reference, Derrick White is +2.22 offense and +1.37 defense this year.

No one is really talking about Konchar but hes up to +1.72 on D now. His offensive lebron is very bad this season but he has never had a season lower than -.52 prior to this one. Certainly, playing with absolute nobodies doesnt help and being thrust into our offense should benefit him in that area.

Dunn is a -.75 offense and break even on defense this year. Historically not very impressive, but uts just one metric.


After being above +3 in total lebron each of his three seasons in Milwaukee, Jrue is now at +.67 O and +.10 D. From that metric, its his worst season by far since he was 22. Dame is a total of +2.75. Good trade.

Delon Wright: -.36, +.51

Unfortunately, almost every player you could target that has a positive D lebron with at least serviceable o lebron already plays for a team with playoff hopes. Possible solutions could be Orlando players if they want an offense for defense swap.

That's the issue with the Lebron stat. It's not really isolating the individual, you're helped by having good teammates.

[German Athens]

Im new to looking at stats like LEBRON and all the stuff on cleaning the glass so ive been looking up everyone lately..

George Hill was such a great pickup for us. Per LEBRON, he was break even offensively but a +.92 defensively the season prior to the trade. The season we got him, his offense shot up to +1.98 while his defense stayed where it was. For reference, Derrick White is +2.22 offense and +1.37 defense this year.

No one is really talking about Konchar but hes up to +1.72 on D now. His offensive lebron is very bad this season but he has never had a season lower than -.52 prior to this one. Certainly, playing with absolute nobodies doesnt help and being thrust into our offense should benefit him in that area.

Dunn is a -.75 offense and break even on defense this year. Historically not very impressive, but uts just one metric.


After being above +3 in total lebron each of his three seasons in Milwaukee, Jrue is now at +.67 O and +.10 D. From that metric, its his worst season by far since he was 22. Dame is a total of +2.75. Good trade.

Delon Wright: -.36, +.51

Unfortunately, almost every player you could target that has a positive D lebron with at least serviceable o lebron already plays for a team with playoff hopes. Possible solutions could be Orlando players if they want an offense for defense swap.

One thing I’d urge is to look at the roles and the rankings within that roll, not just strictly the +/-.

For instance, you may be the 30th best big defender according to LEBRON, but your defensive value may be higher than the 5th ranked POA defender.

Every team needs POA defenders and big defenders, and I agree that bigs are more impactful defender than guards, but the takeaway from that shouldn’t be to not trade your defensive big because his raw defensive value is higher.

The reality is you could probably find a defensive big of comparable value, because the guy is 30th and closer to replacement level, than you could find a POA defender of comparable value.


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[soxperry]

Im new to looking at stats like LEBRON and all the stuff on cleaning the glass so ive been looking up everyone lately..

George Hill was such a great pickup for us. Per LEBRON, he was break even offensively but a +.92 defensively the season prior to the trade. The season we got him, his offense shot up to +1.98 while his defense stayed where it was. For reference, Derrick White is +2.22 offense and +1.37 defense this year.

No one is really talking about Konchar but hes up to +1.72 on D now. His offensive lebron is very bad this season but he has never had a season lower than -.52 prior to this one. Certainly, playing with absolute nobodies doesnt help and being thrust into our offense should benefit him in that area.

Dunn is a -.75 offense and break even on defense this year. Historically not very impressive, but uts just one metric.


After being above +3 in total lebron each of his three seasons in Milwaukee, Jrue is now at +.67 O and +.10 D. From that metric, its his worst season by far since he was 22. Dame is a total of +2.75. Good trade.

Delon Wright: -.36, +.51

Unfortunately, almost every player you could target that has a positive D lebron with at least serviceable o lebron already plays for a team with playoff hopes. Possible solutions could be Orlando players if they want an offense for defense swap.

That's the issue with the Lebron stat. It's not really isolating the individual, you're helped by having good teammates.

Well, thats the thing that would make Konchar so appealing to me given his circumstances. Also really digs Jrue's grave to the extent that that is true.

[soxperry]

Im new to looking at stats like LEBRON and all the stuff on cleaning the glass so ive been looking up everyone lately..

George Hill was such a great pickup for us. Per LEBRON, he was break even offensively but a +.92 defensively the season prior to the trade. The season we got him, his offense shot up to +1.98 while his defense stayed where it was. For reference, Derrick White is +2.22 offense and +1.37 defense this year.

No one is really talking about Konchar but hes up to +1.72 on D now. His offensive lebron is very bad this season but he has never had a season lower than -.52 prior to this one. Certainly, playing with absolute nobodies doesnt help and being thrust into our offense should benefit him in that area.

Dunn is a -.75 offense and break even on defense this year. Historically not very impressive, but uts just one metric.


After being above +3 in total lebron each of his three seasons in Milwaukee, Jrue is now at +.67 O and +.10 D. From that metric, its his worst season by far since he was 22. Dame is a total of +2.75. Good trade.

Delon Wright: -.36, +.51

Unfortunately, almost every player you could target that has a positive D lebron with at least serviceable o lebron already plays for a team with playoff hopes. Possible solutions could be Orlando players if they want an offense for defense swap.

One thing I’d urge is to look at the roles and the rankings within that roll, not just strictly the +/-.

For instance, you may be the 30th best big defender according to LEBRON, but your defensive value may be higher than the 5th ranked POA defender.

Every team needs POA defenders and big defenders, and I agree that bigs are more impactful defender than guards, but the takeaway from that shouldn’t be to not trade your defensive big because his raw defensive value is higher.

The reality is you could probably find a defensive big of comparable value, because the guy is 30th and closer to replacement level, than you could find a POA defender of comparable value.


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Yes, and im assuming that the color coding takes into account the defensive role since it it takes much less to get into darkest shade of blue for a poa than it does a big.

[ShootingtheJ]

Im new to looking at stats like LEBRON and all the stuff on cleaning the glass so ive been looking up everyone lately..

George Hill was such a great pickup for us. Per LEBRON, he was break even offensively but a +.92 defensively the season prior to the trade. The season we got him, his offense shot up to +1.98 while his defense stayed where it was. For reference, Derrick White is +2.22 offense and +1.37 defense this year.

No one is really talking about Konchar but hes up to +1.72 on D now. His offensive lebron is very bad this season but he has never had a season lower than -.52 prior to this one. Certainly, playing with absolute nobodies doesnt help and being thrust into our offense should benefit him in that area.

Dunn is a -.75 offense and break even on defense this year. Historically not very impressive, but uts just one metric.


After being above +3 in total lebron each of his three seasons in Milwaukee, Jrue is now at +.67 O and +.10 D. From that metric, its his worst season by far since he was 22. Dame is a total of +2.75. Good trade.

Delon Wright: -.36, +.51

Unfortunately, almost every player you could target that has a positive D lebron with at least serviceable o lebron already plays for a team with playoff hopes. Possible solutions could be Orlando players if they want an offense for defense swap.

One thing I’d urge is to look at the roles and the rankings within that roll, not just strictly the +/-.

For instance, you may be the 30th best big defender according to LEBRON, but your defensive value may be higher than the 5th ranked POA defender.

Every team needs POA defenders and big defenders, and I agree that bigs are more impactful defender than guards, but the takeaway from that shouldn’t be to not trade your defensive big because his raw defensive value is higher.

The reality is you could probably find a defensive big of comparable value, because the guy is 30th and closer to replacement level, than you could find a POA defender of comparable value.


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Agree, especially about the roles. The guys were talking about acquiring, like Caruso and Dunn, are top 10 amongst PoA defenders.

[drone3]

Focus on Dunn & Wright. We need both

[Prez]

Zach Lavine out for the season to get surgery on his injured foot. There's just no way around it, Bulls need a certified bucket getter to fuel their title run. Bring him home Arturas and send us Caruso

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