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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0 

Post#1221 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Mon Feb 5, 2024 2:53 pm

YosemiteSam wrote:Trade idea from The Athletic

Rockets receive: Jonathan Isaac

Magic receive: Jock Landale, Reggie Bullock, two future second-round picks

Who says no? Magic

I’m aware of the adage that the best coaches can mold players to fit their style or adapt to their available tools. But it’s hard not to look at someone like Isaac and not think he was crafted in a lab for Udoka.

Isaac, with a defensive impact in the 100th percentile according to Cleaning the Glass, remains in a class of his own. Orlando is a whopping 13.5 points per 100 possessions better on defense with him on the floor. He takes all the right angles, has strength and, at 26, is one of the league’s most versatile and impactful defenders across multiple positions. It’s not that Isaac is a wing who can also protect the paint. He’s a big who shuts down anything in the paint and can also switch out on the perimeter and wreak havoc.

Detractors will point to his outside shooting, which has regressed this season, but Isaac is only shooting slightly below league average on open 3s. That’s not great, but you can work with it. Elsewhere, the potential fit alongside starting center Alperen Şengün, with Isaac’s elite cutting ability, makes the move all the more intriguing. Isaac is also an average roller, but that quality is still something different from what Houston currently has offensively. I would still start Jabari Smith Jr. at the four, but Udoka could get creative with his in-game lineups with Isaac. Good luck trying to score on Isaac, flanked by Smith, Dillon Brooks and Tari Eason. It’s not happening.

I just don’t see why Orlando would let him go, especially with the kind of season they’re having. The Magic are the team I could envision grabbing a first-round upset from a contender. Bullock and Landale simply wouldn’t get minutes for them. I can see a specific subsection of Rockets Twitter cringing at the prospect of relinquishing more second-round picks, but Isaac could be worth it.

NBA writer Josh Robbins: I would think the Magic would say no to this offer. Certainly, it’s better to receive two second-round picks than not to have them. Perhaps they could provide the grist to make future trades. But I don’t think they would bring sufficient utility to Orlando unless they would fall early in those years’ respective second rounds.

Yes, the Magic would benefit from having more shooting. But I don’t think Reggie Bullock would provide enough of an upgrade there to merit such a trade from Orlando’s perspective. If Magic officials want to bring in a long-range shooter of Bullock’s ilk next summer, they can do that in free agency, potentially at a low price point.

When Isaac is healthy enough to play, he provides a massive defensive jolt. He’s a game-changer on that end, especially down the stretches of close games. The Magic have invested so much time, effort, emotion and, yes, salary in Isaac over the years that team officials would like to see him turn the corner (from an injury perspective) in their uniform. Given his 2024-25 salary is non-guaranteed, his salary is not onerous long term. That contract could have value this summer in potential trades that, ideally, could command a better return than that from Houston in this hypothetical offer.


best part about this is he says

Who Says No: Magic... so everything after that is a waste of time reading
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Post#1222 » by Bergmaniac » Mon Feb 5, 2024 3:00 pm

We don't necessarily need to make a major trade now, but we got to do something to get a PG who can reliably make a jumpshot from outside 12 feet and can run a pick and roll against an NBA defense. That's really not much to ask, the league is full of such players.
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Post#1223 » by orlando_joe » Mon Feb 5, 2024 3:00 pm

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basketballRob wrote:We signed Goga on February 14, 2023, off waivers. I suspect that's the type of player we may sign this season. After teams make moves, they'll have to clear roster spots. We'd have to look at the end of our roster to cut someone to add a player.

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and that is not a move to keep your young star players happy


i do not think they are anything close to unhappy..i think both know they can improve and get better and like direction of team and can see improvement coming in there teammates i think they fully get magic are a couple yrs out ..i have seen no negative comments ,body language or anything that leaves me to think paolo and franz are not happy with team direction?
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Post#1224 » by tiderulz » Mon Feb 5, 2024 3:20 pm

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tiderulz wrote:
basketballRob wrote:We signed Goga on February 14, 2023, off waivers. I suspect that's the type of player we may sign this season. After teams make moves, they'll have to clear roster spots. We'd have to look at the end of our roster to cut someone to add a player.

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and that is not a move to keep your young star players happy


i do not think they are anything close to unhappy..i think both know they can improve and get better and like direction of team and can see improvement coming in there teammates i think they fully get magic are a couple yrs out ..i have seen no negative comments ,body language or anything that leaves me to think paolo and franz are not happy with team direction?

why would they like the direction of the team if they dont see the front office making moves to get them better? sticking with a PG that cant shoot from distance. paying out for players that are constantly hurt. We have seen plenty of times, young players force a move out. We are already not a "big market team", no reason to add more fuel to the fire. I am by no means saying make stupid moves, but slightly behind that is making no moves for a team with a limited ceiling as currently built. We have already had 2 superstars force their way out of Orlando, not just stars but superstars. i do not want that trend to continue.
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Post#1225 » by thelead » Mon Feb 5, 2024 3:25 pm

Here is what is going to happen (most likely):
-We do nothing now that we’re healthy.
-In the summer, we sign a few 1+1 contracts (essentially expirings for next year)
-We draft a guard with our 1st
-We trade our 2nd rd pick for a future 2nd rd pick
-We send our 1st rd pick to Osceola next year
-We have the same conversations about needing to trade our new expiring contracts 1 year from now again
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Post#1226 » by p0peye » Mon Feb 5, 2024 3:27 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:We don't necessarily need to make a major trade now, but we got to do something to get a PG who can reliably make a jumpshot from outside 12 feet and can run a pick and roll against an NBA defense. That's really not much to ask, the league is full of such players.


It's literally staple of the NBA offense for a decade now, any player that does not do that is probably heading out of the league shortly. It is not a question "can we find such player" but will the FO sit on their hands and continue evaluating.
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Post#1227 » by p0peye » Mon Feb 5, 2024 3:31 pm

thelead wrote:Here is what is going to happen (most likely):
-We do nothing now that we’re healthy.
-In the summer, we sign a few 1+1 contracts (essentially expirings for next year)
-We draft a guard with our 1st
-We trade our 2nd rd pick for a future 2nd rd pick
-We send our 1st rd pick to Osceola next year
-We have the same conversations about needing to trade our new expiring contracts 1 year from now again


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Post#1228 » by p0peye » Mon Feb 5, 2024 3:37 pm

drsd wrote:
RichCollab wrote:WCJ offense and shooting is important for starting lineup.


If Carter is traded in a package that brings in a guard that can shoot, this point becomes irrelevant.


He is only important to space the floor for Fultz, let's be honest. And Fultz should be looking into some other sport instead of basketball. Soccer isn't a bad choice.
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Post#1229 » by zaymon » Mon Feb 5, 2024 3:51 pm

p0peye wrote:
drsd wrote:
RichCollab wrote:WCJ offense and shooting is important for starting lineup.


If Carter is traded in a package that brings in a guard that can shoot, this point becomes irrelevant.


He is only important to space the floor for Fultz, let's be honest. And Fultz should be looking into some other sport instead of basketball. Soccer isn't a bad choice.


They would find a doctor who would not rule out knee outlet syndrome as possible diagnose and he would be sidelined becouse of shoulder tendinitis.
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Post#1230 » by RichCollab » Mon Feb 5, 2024 3:52 pm

p0peye wrote:
drsd wrote:
RichCollab wrote:WCJ offense and shooting is important for starting lineup.


If Carter is traded in a package that brings in a guard that can shoot, this point becomes irrelevant.


He is only important to space the floor for Fultz, let's be honest. And Fultz should be looking into some other sport instead of basketball. Soccer isn't a bad choice.


We can’t have to much spacing. Franz and Paolo need space to operate.
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Post#1231 » by YosemiteSam » Mon Feb 5, 2024 4:02 pm

Has anyone put together a proposed trade idea for Luke Kennard? Seems gettable and a match
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Post#1232 » by Knightro » Mon Feb 5, 2024 4:11 pm

thelead wrote:Here is what is going to happen (most likely):
-We do nothing now that we’re healthy.
-In the summer, we sign a few 1+1 contracts (essentially expirings for next year)
-We draft a guard with our 1st
-We trade our 2nd rd pick for a future 2nd rd pick
-We send our 1st rd pick to Osceola next year
-We have the same conversations about needing to trade our new expiring contracts 1 year from now again


Not only does all of this seem likely, but one of these "overpay 1+1s" seems like a near guarantee to be Fultz as well.
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Post#1233 » by fendilim » Mon Feb 5, 2024 4:20 pm

I bet we sign Macmclung to a two way to defend his title
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Post#1234 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Mon Feb 5, 2024 4:20 pm

YosemiteSam wrote:Has anyone put together a proposed trade idea for Luke Kennard? Seems gettable and a match

I threw a few out on the T&T board. Most ended up back to WCJ + filler for Kennard. Memphis are in the tax or close to it so they could also decline and re sign him to a smaller 3/4 year deal which seems likely.

They have no need for Cole as they’ve got Smart, draft picks for them don’t do much. They’re in a weird spot with no Ja but should be a better team.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Post#1235 » by RichCollab » Mon Feb 5, 2024 4:27 pm

Knightro wrote:
thelead wrote:Here is what is going to happen (most likely):
-We do nothing now that we’re healthy.
-In the summer, we sign a few 1+1 contracts (essentially expirings for next year)
-We draft a guard with our 1st
-We trade our 2nd rd pick for a future 2nd rd pick
-We send our 1st rd pick to Osceola next year
-We have the same conversations about needing to trade our new expiring contracts 1 year from now again


Not only does all of this seem likely, but one of these "overpay 1+1s" seems like a near guarantee to be Fultz as well.


I don’t think this is 100%. FO is smart enough we can’t draft a PG and have him ready to go. Guards take some seasoning.

We will bring in a guard with +4 years of experience to add to Paolo, Franz, and Suggs. I don’t know if it’s done mid season as I don’t know the deal is out there.

We don’t need our next 3 1st round picks. We can create cap space.

DJM is the closest to what we need but his mentality is a legit red flag. I have seen other reports mentioning it outside of Orlando. A minor concern is DJM isn’t a great 3pt shooter.

Tyus and Brogdon adds would be moves that help immediately but I don’t think they move the needle getting past the second round.
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Post#1236 » by orlando_joe » Mon Feb 5, 2024 4:31 pm

thelead wrote:Here is what is going to happen (most likely):
-We do nothing now that we’re healthy.
-In the summer, we sign a few 1+1 contracts (essentially expirings for next year)
-We draft a guard with our 1st
-We trade our 2nd rd pick for a future 2nd rd pick
-We send our 1st rd pick to Osceola next year
-We have the same conversations about needing to trade our new expiring contracts 1 year from now again

and if magic have 1 more 8- 10 game win increase is that ok? so from 45 to 52-55 wins? i real shot at winning a series?
with bunch of assets and cap space to use at that point?..or would you rather them add a treadmill type of move that sends assets and kills space to add? because almost all the trades i see others offer up lead to the later?
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Post#1237 » by Skybox » Mon Feb 5, 2024 4:33 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
YosemiteSam wrote:Trade idea from The Athletic

Rockets receive: Jonathan Isaac

Magic receive: Jock Landale, Reggie Bullock, two future second-round picks

Who says no? Magic

I’m aware of the adage that the best coaches can mold players to fit their style or adapt to their available tools. But it’s hard not to look at someone like Isaac and not think he was crafted in a lab for Udoka.

Isaac, with a defensive impact in the 100th percentile according to Cleaning the Glass, remains in a class of his own. Orlando is a whopping 13.5 points per 100 possessions better on defense with him on the floor. He takes all the right angles, has strength and, at 26, is one of the league’s most versatile and impactful defenders across multiple positions. It’s not that Isaac is a wing who can also protect the paint. He’s a big who shuts down anything in the paint and can also switch out on the perimeter and wreak havoc.

Detractors will point to his outside shooting, which has regressed this season, but Isaac is only shooting slightly below league average on open 3s. That’s not great, but you can work with it. Elsewhere, the potential fit alongside starting center Alperen Şengün, with Isaac’s elite cutting ability, makes the move all the more intriguing. Isaac is also an average roller, but that quality is still something different from what Houston currently has offensively. I would still start Jabari Smith Jr. at the four, but Udoka could get creative with his in-game lineups with Isaac. Good luck trying to score on Isaac, flanked by Smith, Dillon Brooks and Tari Eason. It’s not happening.

I just don’t see why Orlando would let him go, especially with the kind of season they’re having. The Magic are the team I could envision grabbing a first-round upset from a contender. Bullock and Landale simply wouldn’t get minutes for them. I can see a specific subsection of Rockets Twitter cringing at the prospect of relinquishing more second-round picks, but Isaac could be worth it.

NBA writer Josh Robbins: I would think the Magic would say no to this offer. Certainly, it’s better to receive two second-round picks than not to have them. Perhaps they could provide the grist to make future trades. But I don’t think they would bring sufficient utility to Orlando unless they would fall early in those years’ respective second rounds.

Yes, the Magic would benefit from having more shooting. But I don’t think Reggie Bullock would provide enough of an upgrade there to merit such a trade from Orlando’s perspective. If Magic officials want to bring in a long-range shooter of Bullock’s ilk next summer, they can do that in free agency, potentially at a low price point.

When Isaac is healthy enough to play, he provides a massive defensive jolt. He’s a game-changer on that end, especially down the stretches of close games. The Magic have invested so much time, effort, emotion and, yes, salary in Isaac over the years that team officials would like to see him turn the corner (from an injury perspective) in their uniform. Given his 2024-25 salary is non-guaranteed, his salary is not onerous long term. That contract could have value this summer in potential trades that, ideally, could command a better return than that from Houston in this hypothetical offer.


best part about this is he says

Who Says No: Magic... so everything after that is a waste of time reading


That's where I stopped...this is the kind of thoughtless garbage that reminds me that most of the media is reading the same info as you and I...and probably with less context or knowledge of our little team. It's like all of the offseason stuff listing Cole and/or Fultz as core pieces - it just shows how little homework most of them do.
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Post#1238 » by Knightro » Mon Feb 5, 2024 4:33 pm

Read on Twitter



Gary Harris, Chuma Okeke, and two 2nd round picks for Gary Trent Jr.?

I don't love GTJ, but he's basically a move proven version of Houstan in terms of being a 3PT shot hunter.
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Post#1239 » by Skybox » Mon Feb 5, 2024 4:40 pm

orlando_joe wrote:
thelead wrote:Here is what is going to happen (most likely):
-We do nothing now that we’re healthy.
-In the summer, we sign a few 1+1 contracts (essentially expirings for next year)
-We draft a guard with our 1st
-We trade our 2nd rd pick for a future 2nd rd pick
-We send our 1st rd pick to Osceola next year
-We have the same conversations about needing to trade our new expiring contracts 1 year from now again

and if magic have 1 more 8- 10 game win increase is that ok? so from 45 to 52-55 wins? i real shot at winning a series?
with bunch of assets and cap space to use at that point?..or would you rather them add a treadmill type of move that sends assets and kills space to add? because almost all the trades i see others offer up lead to the later?


this year is a fantastic success so far and the schedule and some degree of continued internal growth makes it look even stronger if we manage to dodge injuries.

BUT...this team, as is, with such a gaping and predictable lack of reliable backcourt scoring and floor-spacing, will get pounded in the first round by any team that has a coaching staff beyond YMCA youth league competence. Paolo & Franz will get tackled every possession, win a few games with unbelievable FTA's, but be completely exposed by the lack of floor spacing. By the second game, the opposing defense will absolutely dare every member of the Orl guard rotation to beat them and, maybe just maybe, Suggs will do it once or twice.
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Post#1240 » by orlando_joe » Mon Feb 5, 2024 4:40 pm

RichCollab wrote:
Knightro wrote:
thelead wrote:Here is what is going to happen (most likely):
-We do nothing now that we’re healthy.
-In the summer, we sign a few 1+1 contracts (essentially expirings for next year)
-We draft a guard with our 1st
-We trade our 2nd rd pick for a future 2nd rd pick
-We send our 1st rd pick to Osceola next year
-We have the same conversations about needing to trade our new expiring contracts 1 year from now again


Not only does all of this seem likely, but one of these "overpay 1+1s" seems like a near guarantee to be Fultz as well.


I don’t think this is 100%. FO is smart enough we can’t draft a PG and have him ready to go. Guards take some seasoning.

We will bring in a guard with +4 years of experience to add to Paolo, Franz, and Suggs. I don’t know if it’s done mid season as I don’t know the deal is out there.

We don’t need our next 3 1st round picks. We can create cap space.

DJM is the closest to what we need but his mentality is a legit red flag. I have seen other reports mentioning it outside of Orlando. A minor concern is DJM isn’t a great 3pt shooter.

Tyus and Brogdon adds would be moves that help immediately but I don’t think they move the needle getting past the second round.

agree with all of this

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