Official Immanuel Quickley Thread

[realball]

The comparison between Schroder and Quickley isn't "extremely interesting" and I am very familiar with Schroder. He has always been an inefficient scorer (career 53 TS% while posting a sub 55 TS% in 9 of 11 seasons) that doesn't make much of a positive impact (-1.4 BPM for his career with ZERO seasons above 0.0). Quickley has already been much more efficient and impactful early in his career.

You've been going on for half a dozen pages about how terrible Quickley has been and writing off any potential improvements for him to make in the short term to bring his numbers up to a standard that you see fit. It seems to me like you think he has reached his potential with remarks like that and saying he's only worth the MLE.

Clearly it's not interesting to you, because you would rather throw a hissy fit than actually make a proper comparison. I already mentioned that IQ is like Schroeder with better shooting, but apparently to you that's an insult to IQ.

I haven' written off any potential improvements, I have acknowledged all of them. You instead have dismissed any criticism with "small sample" and "he's adjusting". It's completely possible for IQ to be playing very poorly, shooting 10% worse from 2 than he normally shoots, and also continue to improve in other areas. It's very possible that he's playing like an MLE player right now, but could improve in the future. It's also very possible that he doesn't improve and perhaps continues to regress. Your tiny little head is just unable to comprehend any nuance beyond good and bad, so any criticism causes you to turn into a raving lunatic.

This is just like that time I said Precious was undersized and not a starter, and you basically lost your mind.

Throwing out personal attacks sure helps your case. And Achiuwa's lack of success with us last year has nothing to do with this. I'll let the next person tag in and try to reason with you.

I answered you ridiculous initial response about 19 ppg on 55% and 23 on 60 TS% being the same respectfully, and you threw in back in my face by saying I lost the plot... and now you want to cry about insults.

This has nothing to do with Precious and everything to do with your complete inability to remain objective when evaluating the players on this team. Same thing happening here with IQ.

[OakleyDokely]

someone still doesn't understand sample sizes

[pingpongrac]

Clearly it's not interesting to you, because you would rather throw a hissy fit than actually make a proper comparison. I already mentioned that IQ is like Schroeder with better shooting, but apparently to you that's an insult to IQ.

I haven' written off any potential improvements, I have acknowledged all of them. You instead have dismissed any criticism with "small sample" and "he's adjusting". It's completely possible for IQ to be playing very poorly, shooting 10% worse from 2 than he normally shoots, and also continue to improve in other areas. It's very possible that he's playing like an MLE player right now, but could improve in the future. It's also very possible that he doesn't improve and perhaps continues to regress. Your tiny little head is just unable to comprehend any nuance beyond good and bad, so any criticism causes you to turn into a raving lunatic.

This is just like that time I said Precious was undersized and not a starter, and you basically lost your mind.

Throwing out personal attacks sure helps your case. And Achiuwa's lack of success with us last year has nothing to do with this. I'll let the next person tag in and try to reason with you.

I answered you ridiculous initial response about 19 ppg on 55% and 23 on 60 TS% being the same respectfully, and you threw in back in my face by saying I lost the plot... and now you want to cry about insults.

This has nothing to do with Precious and everything to do with your complete inability to remain objective when evaluating the players on this team. Same thing happening here with IQ.

I did not say 19 PTS per36 on 55 TS% is the same as 23 PTS per36 on 60 TS%. I said that Quickley's PRODUCTION in Toronto isn't that far off from his production in NY because, while he is scoring less on a per-minute basis and his efficiency is down a bit, his assists have nearly doubled and his rebounding has also increased. He has been directly involved in ~35 points per36 when taking into account scoring and playmaking in Toronto whereas that number was ~32 in NY and he grabbed one less rebound there too, though his efficiency was 4.4% higher.

It seems that you think producing means scoring and nothing else which is why myself and several others have tried to point out he is doing everything else better than in NY countless times. Regardless, 12 games is such a ridiculously small sample size to use to be claiming that a player has been terrible because he has missed a few extra floaters and layups than he would normally make in a 12-game span. He has been solid overall. Some great games, a bunch of pretty good or decent games and a few bad games.

[realball]

Throwing out personal attacks sure helps your case. And Achiuwa's lack of success with us last year has nothing to do with this. I'll let the next person tag in and try to reason with you.

I answered you ridiculous initial response about 19 ppg on 55% and 23 on 60 TS% being the same respectfully, and you threw in back in my face by saying I lost the plot... and now you want to cry about insults.

This has nothing to do with Precious and everything to do with your complete inability to remain objective when evaluating the players on this team. Same thing happening here with IQ.

I did not say 19 PTS per36 on 55 TS% is the same as 23 PTS per36 on 60 TS%. I said that Quickley's PRODUCTION in Toronto isn't that far off from his production in NY because, while he is scoring less on a per-minute basis and his efficiency is down a bit, his assists have nearly doubled and his rebounding has also increased. He has been directly involved in ~35 points per36 when taking into account scoring and playmaking in Toronto whereas that number was ~32 in NY and he grabbed one less rebound there too, though his efficiency was 4.4% higher.

It seems that you think producing means scoring and nothing else which is why myself and several others have tried to point out he is doing everything else better than in NY countless times. Regardless, 12 games is such a ridiculously small sample size to use to be claiming that a player has been terrible because he has missed a few extra floaters and layups than he would normally make in a 12-game span. He has been solid overall. Some great games, a bunch of pretty good or decent games and a few bad games.

Do you think it's wrong to say that RJ has been playing great over this 12 game sample size? Would be a grave error to say he's been fantastic playing with us? It's the exact same sample size, are you going to say he's obviously made shots he wouldn't normally make? Of course not. So saying Quickley has been bad over 12 games is the exact same thing.

Quickley had two back-to-back games where he had 10 and 11 assists, if you take those games out, he's averaging just over five assists a game. If you're going to pretend like his shooting is an aberration, why no do the same for his passing?

The fact that he's had a few bad games is exactly what makes him an unreliable starter right now. You're literally typing out my arguments and then drawing the obviously wrong conclusion from them.

When have you ever seen anyone judge a player by "overall production"? You are just shifting goal posts here. Do you think there is something wrong with judging a player based on his scoring efficiency? Is it wrong for me to say that 7 apg per36 is pedestrian for PG, or are you going to argue that it's amazing simply because it's higher than what he was doing before?

IQ is scoring at worse rate, finishing at a worse rate, and his play-making has only started to pick up recently. And that increased play-making has come with even worse shooting. He has not looked like a player who can create his own shot, and if you going to deny any of these facts, you are simply deluding yourself once again like you did with Precious.

[OakleyDokely]

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[Prestige]

In 15 games he’s now at 17/6/4 on 40% FG. Coming up on free agency at year 25. He looks like he could be so much better but hard to tell where his career will go. Will he end up a Lowry or Lou Will?

[kwajo]

In 15 games he’s now at 17/6/4 on 40% FG. Coming up on free agency at year 25. He looks like he could be so much better but hard to tell where his career will go. Will he end up a Lowry or Lou Will?

I think he needs a full training camp with a team before we truly judge where he is. If he shows out at the beginning of next season then I think we are set at the PG position, but after all that time and practice he still doesn't demonstrate the lead guard attributes we need, I think he's poised to be a 6th man the rest of his career (which is still great, just not what we need when rebuilding).

[HumbleRen]

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[OakleyDokely]

15 game check:

31.9 MIN, 16.7 PPG, 6.4 AST (1.3 TO), 4.0 REB, 0.7 STL, .402 FG, .432 3PT, .820 FT


He's surprisingly good as a playmaker. Makes the right play more often than not and he doesn't turn over the ball. He's hitting 3s at a very good rate and he can hit them from all over, just needs to take more. Needs to figure out his role inside the arc, he's struggled so far there.

Overall there's a lot of potential with him but he really hasn't discovered his role on the team yet like RJ has. How he will balance the playmaking (PG) aspects and the scoring aspects will be interesting. At the very least, he should be a competent starting guard and he has the potential offensive upside to be a lot more than that.

[Yeezus_]

It feels like he's still learning to balance the playmaking aspect with the scoring aspect, which should come over time. I'm hoping he can turn out to be a fringe all-star type of talent in his prime. He's a great fit with Scottie.

[Dalek]

The whole team is dysfunctional so hard to blame Quickley not knowing where to find his optimal shots.

Having no Jak for most of his time is a factor for a pick and roll guard - and now they are sorting out their timing.

As long as Quickley shows flashes and doesn't lose his spirit, he will be fine. The losing is hard for players. The lack of leadership is evident.

[YogurtProducer]

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IQ + GTJ should be giving a guy like Barnes sooooo much offensive space. 42-45% on non-corner 3's is actually nutty.

[OakleyDokely]

IQ should need to do sprints after each game if he doesn't take at least 8 3s.

[MiamiSPX]

I'm still pretty high on IQ. Hopefully he and Scottie train together this summer.

[PushDaRock]

We are locked into him regardless after making the trade for him so on the bright side we should be able to get him signed at a reasonable number. Going full tank like we have, I think it was a legit concern that he could come in and put up massive numbers on a really bad team and then you're left with the prospect of potentially overpaying for empty stats.

[Green Backpack]

IQ is going to be good. He needs to polish his driving game/floater, but he has all the tools and mechanics you want. Much more complete player than someone like GTJ. Lock him up long-term

[Zeno]

I don’t understand why we have a coach flat out say he is going to put players in positions to develop rather than succeed/win and then get upset players aren’t putting up the numbers they expect or are winning games.

[TeamDisgruntled]

If IQ can achieve a Trae young level floater game, he could be really, REALLY, good. The early returns on the floaters though, have been lacklustre. Hopefully we can see a big jump there in the second half/next season.

[Mattatron]

Ujiri traded a DPOY Candidate and an All Star for Jalen "RJ" Rose and Imanuel "J Crawford" Quickley and a bunch of useless picks in a useless draft class. Ujiri has to go.

[Raptorland23]

Looked better in New York, hasn't look as good under Dumbko and whatever system you want to call this. Looks to be more like a Lou Williams type player to me.