Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

[daoneandonly]

SO be it then. DFS is not worth a first to a team so bone dry in assets like DAL

[41Dirk41]

I cannot see them trading DFS without one (if not one first and two seconds). So do you really think DAL will strike out on this or other PF deals?

So you cannot see DFS traded because no teams will give them 2FRPs (probably just a late FRP at max).

Btw Portis+DFS is a good upgrade but Tobias Harris is my pick.

[daoneandonly]

If there's a trade where we can at least get rid of 2 of Grant WIlliams, Josh Green, and Rishaun Holmes, while getting a starting caliber 4 and/or backup center, then I'd be happy with the TDL

[Swish77]

It does if they add a backup C,like Drummond, and a real PF...this team doesn't have a problem scoring,they have problems on D and rebounding...you really don't lose O with this and you get better on D...this would be a solid move before the offseason...and it wouldn't really cost much...you have to buy low,not when the price is sky high, especialy when you have Little to no assets

Hold up. 1st it was wiggins now your saying we need drummond? At this point we are just throwing trades and seeing which ever sticks? Like lets be honest here. Drummond wouldnt cost much? yes it would. Reason why he hasnt been moved yet Bulls asking price is high. Again We can't continue to drive luka into the ground with awful trades. Making a trades means we make luka's life easier Kinda like last night luka's game he has was very easy game didnt have to do much. He didnt have to turn into superman and save our game. We need more games like that. Wiggins or Drummond doesnt move to needle to help him. Wiggins is a worse defender then THJ this year per defense ratings. Wiggins shoots worse then THJ from 3. No stat says its a upgrade. Plus we would take on Wiggins money which is awful. On top of that THJ has a very very very team friendly deal for this year and next. Its not an upgrade its a degrade.

Sure , let's keep this roster,guard heavy, together...it's been working amazing so far...one good game doesn't change the pattern of the season and are we really gonna base the optimism when they played PHI without Embild..the sample of them steuggling is much bigger than that of them exceling...and relying on statistic and analitics has always been the way to go??... that's why the Mavs didn't go for Markanen,when he was begging them to get him...that's why People wouldn't trade Maxi and pieces for Randle... Yes,this team needs a SF, a PF and a backup C...enough with the four guard lineups...two of THJ,Hardy,Green and Curry need to be replaced by bigger Players ... They're already admiting that Grant signing was a mistake ,judging by the rumors... he's too small for a PF and slow for SF..Kidd is begging them for bigger Players...sure you can't plug all the holes now,but they need to start doing something... they're not competing for the tittle this year but that doesn't mean you can't do a deal if its there...they know what this Players can do, they've been around Long enough,you know their shortcomings

Playoff NBA basketball is Spread the floor. 4 guard lineups work in the playoffs. You can't build a roster for reg season and say welp we we're great in the reg season and soon as we get to the playoffs we can't win. When we made the run to the WCF we ran a 4 guard lineup then we ran out of gas vs GS. Do i think we are a championship team? You get us to the playoffs anything can happen. TX Rangers got Hot at the right time and won it all when everyone thought there season was over towards the end of the season. Kidd isnt asking for Taller players he's asking for guys who play defense. Kidd has spoke about it multiple times. But people think We always need more scoring when we do not. We need defense. To we need to keep this roster together we do not need to make any moves we need to get healthy and we will start rolling. Health is our main concern in my opinion. Why make a move when it doesnt move the needle. Thats wasting assets in which we don't need to do right now. Alot of picks open up this offseason. Save all the assets we need for a massive make over in the offseason.

[Swish77]

SO be it then. DFS is not worth a first to a team so bone dry in assets like DAL

Who said we don't have assets? We do. We can't waste them. JG has value. Hardy has some value. THJ has value. DSSJ has alot of value bc he can guard 1-4. We have a 1st round pick to trade we have 2 2nds to trade. We have assets bone dry isnt the right term to use. Its about using the assets to make a smart move and not waste them. Do you want to be like the Cavs when they had young LBJ wasting so many assets to not move the needle. reason why LBJ left the cavs bc they ran out of assets.

[daoneandonly]

SO be it then. DFS is not worth a first to a team so bone dry in assets like DAL

Who said we don't have assets? We do. We can't waste them. JG has value. Hardy has some value. THJ has value. DSSJ has alot of value bc he can guard 1-4. We have a 1st round pick to trade we have 2 2nds to trade. We have assets bone dry isnt the right term to use. Its about using the assets to make a smart move and not waste them. Do you want to be like the Cavs when they had young LBJ wasting so many assets to not move the needle. reason why LBJ left the cavs bc they ran out of assets.

And using an asset on a FRP on DFS is wasteful

[Swish77]

SO be it then. DFS is not worth a first to a team so bone dry in assets like DAL

Who said we don't have assets? We do. We can't waste them. JG has value. Hardy has some value. THJ has value. DSSJ has alot of value bc he can guard 1-4. We have a 1st round pick to trade we have 2 2nds to trade. We have assets bone dry isnt the right term to use. Its about using the assets to make a smart move and not waste them. Do you want to be like the Cavs when they had young LBJ wasting so many assets to not move the needle. reason why LBJ left the cavs bc they ran out of assets.

And using an asset on a FRP on DFS is wasteful

It would take more than one FRP to make that happen. I'd rather wait use 3 FRP on something that would move the needle this offseason. When this team is fully healthy its really fun to watch and we can be really really good. Also on the Grant Williams topic We have used him 2 much we need to use him the same as Boston did when he was with them. Thats the type of player we need from him.

[Archx]

Playoff NBA basketball is Spread the floor. 4 guard lineups work in the playoffs.

Depends on the matchup. You still need people that can defend anything around the rim and rebound.

When we made the run to the WCF we ran a 4 guard lineup then we ran out of gas vs GS.

Not entirely true. GSW outrebounded and outmuscled Mavs in the paint area. They were doing anything they wanted and Mavs offered little resistance and got punished hard.

Kidd isnt asking for Taller players he's asking for guys who play defense. Kidd has spoke about it multiple times. But people think We always need more scoring when we do not. We need defense.

Kidd has no clue what he is doing, defense is horrible without Lively and Exum and Offense is a 1 man show.

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[BliscoSantos]

Seriously??they need a SF and PF and they make an offer for yet another SG...

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/knicks-rejected-mavericks-trade-offer-for-quentin-grimes/

[Swish77]

Playoff NBA basketball is Spread the floor. 4 guard lineups work in the playoffs.

Depends on the matchup. You still need people that can defend anything around the rim and rebound.

When we made the run to the WCF we ran a 4 guard lineup then we ran out of gas vs GS.

Not entirely true. GSW outrebounded and outmuscled Mavs in the paint area. They were doing anything they wanted and Mavs offered little resistance and got punished hard.

Kidd isnt asking for Taller players he's asking for guys who play defense. Kidd has spoke about it multiple times. But people think We always need more scoring when we do not. We need defense.

Kidd has no clue what he is doing, defense is horrible without Lively and Exum and Offense is a 1 man show.

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Not entirely true. GSW outrebounded and outmuscled Mavs in the paint area. They were doing anything they wanted and Mavs offered little resistance and got punished hard.

aka we ran out of gas? Like I said our entire team had no legs.

Depends on the matchup. You still need people that can defend anything around the rim and rebound.


Playoff NBA basketball you dont race to 120 points. Game slows down You spread the floor you see this every year. Only 2 true centers have won a Nba chip in the last 10 years that AD in the Bubble and Joker last year. Reason why Luka balls out in the playoffs is bc Playoff games slow down to his pace.

[Swish77]

Seriously??they need a SF and PF and they make an offer for yet another SG...

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/knicks-rejected-mavericks-trade-offer-for-quentin-grimes/

Don't believe everything you read. Alot of fake rumors are out there. And who said we needed a SF? first it was a backup Center and PF how its PF and SF? You guys are all over the place.

[BliscoSantos]

Who said we don't have assets? We do. We can't waste them. JG has value. Hardy has some value. THJ has value. DSSJ has alot of value bc he can guard 1-4. We have a 1st round pick to trade we have 2 2nds to trade. We have assets bone dry isnt the right term to use. Its about using the assets to make a smart move and not waste them. Do you want to be like the Cavs when they had young LBJ wasting so many assets to not move the needle. reason why LBJ left the cavs bc they ran out of assets.

And using an asset on a FRP on DFS is wasteful

It would take more than one FRP to make that happen. I'd rather wait use 3 FRP on something that would move the needle this offseason. When this team is fully healthy its really fun to watch and we can be really really good. Also on the Grant Williams topic We have used him 2 much we need to use him the same as Boston did when he was with them. Thats the type of player we need from him.

Boston benched him... that should have been a sign he's not very good

[Archx]

Playoff NBA basketball you dont race to 120 points. Game slows down You spread the floor you see this every year. Only 2 true centers have won a Nba chip in the last 10 years that AD in the Bubble and Joker last year. Reason why Luka balls out in the playoffs is bc Playoff games slow down to his pace.

It slows down but you still need people who can rebound and protect the paint. Mavs got kicked in the ass by LAC 2 season in a row because they lacked additional firepower to Luka and if KP was injuried they had problems with rim protection.

GSW kicked their ass for the exact same reason.

2 seasons in a row Mavs were dead last in rebounding and bottom 3 in rim protection. That translates into playoff no matter how the game changes or specially if it doesn't, like i said, it depends on the matchup.

[Mr B]

I have a strange feeling you are about to go in for DFS. What would that trade look like?

5 FRP’s for DFS sounds like a very Mavericks thing to do.

[Swish77]

Playoff NBA basketball you dont race to 120 points. Game slows down You spread the floor you see this every year. Only 2 true centers have won a Nba chip in the last 10 years that AD in the Bubble and Joker last year. Reason why Luka balls out in the playoffs is bc Playoff games slow down to his pace.

It slows down but you still need people who can rebound and protect the paint. Mavs got kicked in the ass by LAC 2 season in a row because they lacked additional firepower to Luka and if KP was injuried they had problems with rim protection.

GSW kicked their ass for the exact same reason.

2 seasons in a row Mavs were dead last in rebounding and bottom 3 in rim protection. That translates into playoff no matter how the game changes or specially if it doesn't, like i said, it depends on the matchup.

So vs the Jazz and Suns we didnt? Play RG all defense Center ran him off the court but we lacked rebounding and RP? Clippers were a vet team and we were a young team. What did you expect to happen? Like your using 3 playoff matchups that we didn't match up with right and ignoring the JAzz and Sun's series. Mavs are 2-3 in the last 6 years in the playoffs that's not bad for a young superstars career.

[BliscoSantos]

Seriously??they need a SF and PF and they make an offer for yet another SG...

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/knicks-rejected-mavericks-trade-offer-for-quentin-grimes/

Don't believe everything you read. Alot of fake rumors are out there. And who said we needed a SF? first it was a backup Center and PF how its PF and SF? You guys are all over the place.

I mean a SF would be Nice...they only have DJJ and he's a backup...Maxi won't be moved so he'll be the backup C,it looks like...and PF position is really terrible...i'm guessing based on needs and what they're looking at

[Swish77]

And using an asset on a FRP on DFS is wasteful

It would take more than one FRP to make that happen. I'd rather wait use 3 FRP on something that would move the needle this offseason. When this team is fully healthy its really fun to watch and we can be really really good. Also on the Grant Williams topic We have used him 2 much we need to use him the same as Boston did when he was with them. Thats the type of player we need from him.

Boston benched him... that should have been a sign he's not very good

And still went to the NBA Finals and he played well. When he's used right he plays ok. IDK why people thought he would come here and be a player that he's not. Makes no sense to me. And idk who to blame for that. You can't blame the player. A player is what a player is. He's not a 15 10 and 5 guy. Never was never will be.

[Archx]

Playoff NBA basketball you dont race to 120 points. Game slows down You spread the floor you see this every year. Only 2 true centers have won a Nba chip in the last 10 years that AD in the Bubble and Joker last year. Reason why Luka balls out in the playoffs is bc Playoff games slow down to his pace.

It slows down but you still need people who can rebound and protect the paint. Mavs got kicked in the ass by LAC 2 season in a row because they lacked additional firepower to Luka and if KP was injuried they had problems with rim protection.

GSW kicked their ass for the exact same reason.

2 seasons in a row Mavs were dead last in rebounding and bottom 3 in rim protection. That translates into playoff no matter how the game changes or specially if it doesn't, like i said, it depends on the matchup.

So vs the Jazz and Suns we didnt? Play RG all defense Center ran him off the court but we lacked rebounding and RP? Clippers were a vet team and we were a young team. What did you expect to happen? Like your using 3 playoff matchups that we didn't match up with right and ignoring the JAzz and Sun's series. Mavs are 2-3 in the last 6 years in the playoffs that's not bad for a young superstars career.

And you're ignoring that no matter what, they got kicked out of the 1st round two years in a row for exact same reason. Who cares if they were a younger team vs veterans, you can still analyse the outcome and why they lost. Simply saying they were young is a lazy comparison.
The Suns series also went to 7 games before Luka went supernova.

And i also don't understand why are you so fixated on centers? I only said in my first post that you need people who can defend the rim and rebound. That can include tall athletic players that do little bit of both, i never said you need David Robinson under the rim in order to win.

[BliscoSantos]

It would take more than one FRP to make that happen. I'd rather wait use 3 FRP on something that would move the needle this offseason. When this team is fully healthy its really fun to watch and we can be really really good. Also on the Grant Williams topic We have used him 2 much we need to use him the same as Boston did when he was with them. Thats the type of player we need from him.

Boston benched him... that should have been a sign he's not very good

And still went to the NBA Finals and he played well. When he's used right he plays ok. IDK why people thought he would come here and be a player that he's not. Makes no sense to me. And idk who to blame for that. You can't blame the player. A player is what a player is. He's not a 15 10 and 5 guy. Never was never will be.

I get that ...he should be coming off the bench... he's simply too small to be guarding bigger,stronger PF and too slow to guard SF...Maxi played good for the first time in more than a year and he keeps that up he can be a backup at C(it seems he lost some mobility ,speed ,to guard PF...backup C would probably be a better role for him)
Nobody is expecting an overhaul this deadline,but a Little glimer of hope would restore confidence ..then,in the Summer offseason they need to get rid of Holmes,Powell,Curry, even Timmy(they'll need to include him cause he'll be an expiring) and posiibly one of Green or Hardy and upgrade the biggest weakness of the last years

[Swish77]

It slows down but you still need people who can rebound and protect the paint. Mavs got kicked in the ass by LAC 2 season in a row because they lacked additional firepower to Luka and if KP was injuried they had problems with rim protection.

GSW kicked their ass for the exact same reason.

2 seasons in a row Mavs were dead last in rebounding and bottom 3 in rim protection. That translates into playoff no matter how the game changes or specially if it doesn't, like i said, it depends on the matchup.

So vs the Jazz and Suns we didnt? Play RG all defense Center ran him off the court but we lacked rebounding and RP? Clippers were a vet team and we were a young team. What did you expect to happen? Like your using 3 playoff matchups that we didn't match up with right and ignoring the JAzz and Sun's series. Mavs are 2-3 in the last 6 years in the playoffs that's not bad for a young superstars career.

And you're ignoring that no matter what, they got kicked out of the 1st round two years in a row for exact same reason. Who cares if they were a younger team vs veterans, you can still analyse the outcome and why they lost. Simply saying they were young is a lazy comparison.
The Suns series also went to 7 games before Luka went supernova.

And i also don't understand why are you so fixated on centers? I only said in my first post that you need people who can defend the rim and rebound. That can include tall athletic players that do little bit of both, i never said you need David Robinson under the rim in order to win.

Small ball wins playoff series.