Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread

[JKiddy]

SO be it then. DFS is not worth a first to a team so bone dry in assets like DAL

Who said we don't have assets? We do. We can't waste them. JG has value. Hardy has some value. THJ has value. DSSJ has alot of value bc he can guard 1-4. We have a 1st round pick to trade we have 2 2nds to trade. We have assets bone dry isnt the right term to use. Its about using the assets to make a smart move and not waste them. Do you want to be like the Cavs when they had young LBJ wasting so many assets to not move the needle. reason why LBJ left the cavs bc they ran out of assets.

And using an asset on a FRP on DFS is wasteful

I understand your point. If you feel like you are not good enough to contend in the West it would not be worth it. It is only worth it IF you can make a deep playoff run AND you take DFS away from other suitors who might hamper your playoff run.

I am totally unsure of what the possibilities of those are.

[Swish77]

Boston benched him... that should have been a sign he's not very good

And still went to the NBA Finals and he played well. When he's used right he plays ok. IDK why people thought he would come here and be a player that he's not. Makes no sense to me. And idk who to blame for that. You can't blame the player. A player is what a player is. He's not a 15 10 and 5 guy. Never was never will be.

I get that ...he should be coming off the bench... he's simply too small to be guarding bigger,stronger PF and too slow to guard SF...Maxi played good for the first time in more than a year and he keeps that up he can be a backup at C(it seems he lost some mobility ,speed ,to guard PF...backup C would probably be a better role for him)
Nobody is expecting an overhaul this deadline,but a Little glimer of hope would restore confidence ..then,in the Summer offseason they need to get rid of Holmes,Powell,Curry, even Timmy(they'll need to include him cause he'll be an expiring) and posiibly one of Green or Hardy and upgrade the biggest weakness of the last years

Honest Question here. Why not keep this team together and get fully healthy and see what we can do? we haven't been healthy other then what 10 games? What if we get healthy and everything clicks and we start rolling team after the all star break?

[Swish77]

Who said we don't have assets? We do. We can't waste them. JG has value. Hardy has some value. THJ has value. DSSJ has alot of value bc he can guard 1-4. We have a 1st round pick to trade we have 2 2nds to trade. We have assets bone dry isnt the right term to use. Its about using the assets to make a smart move and not waste them. Do you want to be like the Cavs when they had young LBJ wasting so many assets to not move the needle. reason why LBJ left the cavs bc they ran out of assets.

And using an asset on a FRP on DFS is wasteful

I understand your point. If you feel like you are not good enough to contend in the West it would not be worth it. It is only worth it IF you can make a deep playoff run AND you take DFS away from other suitors who might hamper your playoff run.

I am totally unsure of what the possibilities of those are.

My honest opinion I believe we can contend If we can get healthy and stay healthy.

[Archx]

So vs the Jazz and Suns we didnt? Play RG all defense Center ran him off the court but we lacked rebounding and RP? Clippers were a vet team and we were a young team. What did you expect to happen? Like your using 3 playoff matchups that we didn't match up with right and ignoring the JAzz and Sun's series. Mavs are 2-3 in the last 6 years in the playoffs that's not bad for a young superstars career.

And you're ignoring that no matter what, they got kicked out of the 1st round two years in a row for exact same reason. Who cares if they were a younger team vs veterans, you can still analyse the outcome and why they lost. Simply saying they were young is a lazy comparison.
The Suns series also went to 7 games before Luka went supernova.

And i also don't understand why are you so fixated on centers? I only said in my first post that you need people who can defend the rim and rebound. That can include tall athletic players that do little bit of both, i never said you need David Robinson under the rim in order to win.

Small ball wins playoff series.

And teams with great rebounders and rim protectors win the NBA championships. It literally isn't a rocket science, i don't know why is it so hard for you to comprehend this.

Here is the list and go take a look at their rosters. You can go all the way back to 2011 and even analyse that Mavs team.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_champions

[Swish77]

And you're ignoring that no matter what, they got kicked out of the 1st round two years in a row for exact same reason. Who cares if they were a younger team vs veterans, you can still analyse the outcome and why they lost. Simply saying they were young is a lazy comparison.
The Suns series also went to 7 games before Luka went supernova.

And i also don't understand why are you so fixated on centers? I only said in my first post that you need people who can defend the rim and rebound. That can include tall athletic players that do little bit of both, i never said you need David Robinson under the rim in order to win.

Small ball wins playoff series.

And teams with great rebounders and rim protectors win the NBA championships. It literally isn't a rocket science, i don't know why is it so hard for you to comprehend this.

Here is the list and go take a look at their rosters. You can go all the way back to 2011 and even analyse that Mavs team.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_champions

Nuggets, GS, Raps, Spurs, Didn't have Rp. Mavs had Tyson one of the best RP in the NBA. NBA has changed. I dont under how you think Playing Big and Rp is a factor when its not. You thinking those teams had RP is crazy. Now they rebounded really well Ill give you that. rebounding is key to winning a chip.Ill agree with you on that.

[BliscoSantos]

And still went to the NBA Finals and he played well. When he's used right he plays ok. IDK why people thought he would come here and be a player that he's not. Makes no sense to me. And idk who to blame for that. You can't blame the player. A player is what a player is. He's not a 15 10 and 5 guy. Never was never will be.

I get that ...he should be coming off the bench... he's simply too small to be guarding bigger,stronger PF and too slow to guard SF...Maxi played good for the first time in more than a year and he keeps that up he can be a backup at C(it seems he lost some mobility ,speed ,to guard PF...backup C would probably be a better role for him)
Nobody is expecting an overhaul this deadline,but a Little glimer of hope would restore confidence ..then,in the Summer offseason they need to get rid of Holmes,Powell,Curry, even Timmy(they'll need to include him cause he'll be an expiring) and posiibly one of Green or Hardy and upgrade the biggest weakness of the last years

Honest Question here. Why not keep this team together and get fully healthy and see what we can do? we haven't been healthy other then what 10 games? What if we get healthy and everything clicks and we start rolling team after the all star break?

Cause we have a pretty good idea what they can do...when they get hot from three they can beat anybody and when the shots aren't falling they crumble...we have a pretty large sample of this...rebounding and D have been an issue for how many years now....Mavs are always at the bottom in those two categories... Kidd's been begging for reinforcements(more size) and he sees them everyday... he's not a good coach but I think that he sees what they can and can't do...Nico told reporters what they're looking for,so it's pretty obvious what this team lacks

[Archx]

Small ball wins playoff series.

And teams with great rebounders and rim protectors win the NBA championships. It literally isn't a rocket science, i don't know why is it so hard for you to comprehend this.

Here is the list and go take a look at their rosters. You can go all the way back to 2011 and even analyse that Mavs team.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_champions

Nuggets, GS, Raps, Spurs, Didn't have Rp. Mavs had Tyson one of the best RP in the NBA. NBA has changed. I dont under how you think Playing Big and Rp is a factor when its not. You thinking those teams had RP is crazy. Now they rebounded really well Ill give you that. rebounding is key to winning a chip.Ill agree with you on that.

Marc Gasol, Ibaka.... Draymond Green then Boris Diaw, TIm Duncan, Kawhi, you never heard of these guys?

Mavs 2nd best rebounder in WCF run was DFS with 5.8. Luka with over 9rbs. And Mavs best rim protectors were suppose to be Powell a career 5/5 guy and Maxi. No matter how NBA changed you still need basics.

[Swish77]

And teams with great rebounders and rim protectors win the NBA championships. It literally isn't a rocket science, i don't know why is it so hard for you to comprehend this.

Here is the list and go take a look at their rosters. You can go all the way back to 2011 and even analyse that Mavs team.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_champions

Nuggets, GS, Raps, Spurs, Didn't have Rp. Mavs had Tyson one of the best RP in the NBA. NBA has changed. I dont under how you think Playing Big and Rp is a factor when its not. You thinking those teams had RP is crazy. Now they rebounded really well Ill give you that. rebounding is key to winning a chip.Ill agree with you on that.

Marc Gasol, Ibaka.... Draymond Green then Boris Diaw, TIm Duncan, Kawhi, you never heard of these guys?

Mavs 2nd best rebounder in WCF run was DFS with 5.8. Luka with over 9rbs. And Mavs best rim protectors were suppose to be Powell a career 5/5 guy and Maxi. No matter how NBA changed you still need basics.

I forgot about Marc. Never knew Draymond avg 1.5 blocks a game in there playoff run. TD avg 1.3 Boris Avg 1. Yeah IDK about them being RP. Kawhi is a defensive stud. But I guess we Differ on this topic.

[BliscoSantos]

So vs the Jazz and Suns we didnt? Play RG all defense Center ran him off the court but we lacked rebounding and RP? Clippers were a vet team and we were a young team. What did you expect to happen? Like your using 3 playoff matchups that we didn't match up with right and ignoring the JAzz and Sun's series. Mavs are 2-3 in the last 6 years in the playoffs that's not bad for a young superstars career.

And you're ignoring that no matter what, they got kicked out of the 1st round two years in a row for exact same reason. Who cares if they were a younger team vs veterans, you can still analyse the outcome and why they lost. Simply saying they were young is a lazy comparison.
The Suns series also went to 7 games before Luka went supernova.

And i also don't understand why are you so fixated on centers? I only said in my first post that you need people who can defend the rim and rebound. That can include tall athletic players that do little bit of both, i never said you need David Robinson under the rim in order to win.

Small ball wins playoff series.

MIL,PHI,BOS,LAL,DEN and probably the LAC (this year) dissagree with this theory

[Swish77]

Nuggets, GS, Raps, Spurs, Didn't have Rp. Mavs had Tyson one of the best RP in the NBA. NBA has changed. I dont under how you think Playing Big and Rp is a factor when its not. You thinking those teams had RP is crazy. Now they rebounded really well Ill give you that. rebounding is key to winning a chip.Ill agree with you on that.

Marc Gasol, Ibaka.... Draymond Green then Boris Diaw, TIm Duncan, Kawhi, you never heard of these guys?

Mavs 2nd best rebounder in WCF run was DFS with 5.8. Luka with over 9rbs. And Mavs best rim protectors were suppose to be Powell a career 5/5 guy and Maxi. No matter how NBA changed you still need basics.

I forgot about Marc. Never knew Draymond avg 1.5 blocks a game in there playoff run. TD avg 1.3 Boris Avg 1. Yeah IDK about them being RP. Kawhi is a defensive stud. But I guess we Differ on this topic.

[Archx]

I forgot about Marc. Never knew Draymond avg 1.5 blocks a game in there playoff run. TD avg 1.3 Boris Avg 1. Yeah IDK about them being RP. Kawhi is a defensive stud. But I guess we Differ on this topic.

You have to look at rim protecting shooting %'s, DRTg, eFG% for opposing player guarded by X defender, deflections, shots altered, etc...

Now i see why you don't fully understand why Mavs lost vs LAC and GSW. Simpy looking at pure blk averges won't do anything good.

[ejs78]

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[ACMFFL]

That's pathetic.
PJ isnt that good at all, he's a bad rebounder, below average shooter and defender, barely 6-7 with a huge wingspan tho. I just dont see him as a starting caliber PF, I dont even know if I would swap him with Green straight up cause imho there's no point to cover a hole just to create a new one especially considering how both Kyrie and Exum struggle to stay healthy for long stretches.

[Mavrelous]

I wouldn't trade for PJW at this price, I think the Mavs should try to do with what they have, they can have massive improvement by just changing the coach, that's their real weakness.

[ACMFFL]

Definitely, it's just a gargantuan and insane overpay that deserves the middle finger as the only proper answer.
And I totally agree, nothing would improve this team more than changing the "coach"

[41Dirk41]

Definitely, it's just a gargantuan and insane overpay that deserves the middle finger as the only proper answer.
And I totally agree, nothing would improve this team more than changing the "coach"

Yes but another big can help... I don't trust to much in the Kleber health, Powell is unplayables in real games and Holmes is a mistery.

[BliscoSantos]

Definitely, it's just a gargantuan and insane overpay that deserves the middle finger as the only proper answer.
And I totally agree, nothing would improve this team more than changing the "coach"

Yes but another big can help... I don't trust to much in the Kleber health, Powell is unplayables in real games and Holmes is a mistery.

Giving up Green and a first for PJ is HELL NO from me..if he was 6'10 sure,but he's only 6'7,another undersized PF...and if the Hornets really want Green they should be willing to make a straight swap(with matching salary)..Nico must stay firm, no first rounders for PJ

Looks like it's gonna be a quiet end of the trade deadline..maybe some rotation Players,7-12 on roster ,get exchanged... looks like everybody values their own Players more than the teams that are trying to trade for them

[ejs78]

Eveyone can thank Silver if the trade deadline is slow. Who doesn't love seeing below .500 teams battle it out in the play in games.

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[daoneandonly]

I wouldn't trade for PJW at this price, I think the Mavs should try to do with what they have, they can have massive improvement by just changing the coach, that's their real weakness.

Neither PJ or Kuz are worth a FRP. Between the 2, I'd rather have PJ, but no picks should be involved. Ideally something like Green/Holmes for PJ/Richards. But if Char refuses to take Holmes, then Green/Curry for PJ should be the top offer.

[daoneandonly]

The 2 realistic deals I'd do are as followed:

Josh Green & Seth Curry for PJ Washington
Grant Williams for Andre Drummond and Javon Carter

I think that gives us a much more balanced roster:

Luka Doncic/Javon Carter
Kyrie Irving/Dante Exum/Jaden Hardy
Derrick Jones Jr/Tim Hardaway Jr/Omax
PJ Washington/Maxi Kleber/Markieff Morris
Derrick Lively/Andre Drummond/Dwight Powell/Rishaun Holmes