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[GoBlue72391]

It's not the inept organization that botched the team's present and future that is ruining the fan experience? It's the people calling them out on it? Well played, AK.

Great double down.

Sorry, a lot of people like ambition. The Bulls have none.

I take offense to that. We're ambitiously unambitious.

[WindyCityBorn]

Because that "something" will be nothing worthwhile. What are we going to get for DDR and his 28 million dollar expiring contract? Matching the contract to facilitate a trade probably means getting back contracts that have multiple years remaining. There's no point trading for expiring contracts, I'd rather just keep DeMar to keep mentoring Coby, Ayo, Williams, Phillips and Terry for the season.

Unless we get an actual useful asset which we won't for DeMar then it's not worth trading.

If this potential first round pick for Drummond happens to be a real thing then you take it but otherwise see if you can re-sign Drummond on a friendly deal.

We aren’t resigning Drummond to a team friendky deal. He’s probably looking $8 to $10 million this offseason and the Bulls can’t afford that for a guy playing 15 minutes on average. Basically he is gone. He rehabilitated his value a LOT this season.

I'd prefer if instead of saying the Bulls "can't afford" to pay Drummond this number if the more accurate "the Bulls could afford to do this, but will elect to dodge the luxury tax and refuse to" were how we described the situation.

Sorry. When I discuss Bulls roster moves it’s with the implicit understanding that we won’t go into the luxury tax.

[gf2020hotmail]

Sorry. When I discuss Bulls roster moves it’s with the implicit understanding that we won’t go into the luxury tax.

There's a chance Ball would come off their cap if he can't play, which would open a lot up. If they don't resign DeMar, they also have plenty of room.

[boozapalooza]

Unless I'm missing something, Pistons are good at drafting, they've made a bunch of good picks with the exception of Killian Hayes.

Cade, Duren, Ivey, Stewart, Ausar, etc. were all good picks and are good young building blocks.

They really aren't though.

Really unbalanced selections too as the fit is awful.

BPA is never a bad strategy, especially picking that high. Those are all good picks in isolation. Those are all good young promising players, poor fit or not. Any one of them would be our most promising young player besides Coby.

Agreed. They would have been crazy to give up any of Cade/Ivey/Ausar/Duren for Lavine. We wouldve been ecstatic. Cade is a better asset than anyone on our team. Once they bring in a vet leader they should be decent down the road. Their roster has have a higher ceiling than ours.

[Hangtime84]

If the pistons prospects were so good they would be winning more games. They have a ton of them

[Risk Addict]

Why is our forum so whiney? I come for trade rumors and it is a bunch of people complaining about GM/owner actions/inactions. Seems pointless to speculate what trades are offered and then judge decision making on those speculated trades….

If there are actual rumors in this thread I couldnt find them buried under all the moaning and whining going on

[boozapalooza]

If the pistons prospects were so good they would be winning more games. They have a ton of them

Not at all. It takes time for guys to develop as we’ve seen here. Whats the last team with a full lineup of guys under 22 that has had any success? Even Wemby whos the best rookie we’ve seen in years is on a team thats 10-41. These teams need a big time vet or two to right the ship if they want to win games.

This is the argument against tanking, even after you get your young guys its gonna take some time for them to win

[ScrantonBulls]

Why is our forum so whiney? I come for trade rumors and it is a bunch of people complaining about GM/owner actions/inactions. Seems pointless to speculate what trades are offered and then judge decision making on those speculated trades….

If there are actual rumors in this thread I couldnt find them buried under all the moaning and whining going on

There are no rumors. People wouldn't be whining as much if it wasn't so evident that AKME are going to dig their heals in even further and let this dumpster fire keep blazing.

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Sorry. When I discuss Bulls roster moves it’s with the implicit understanding that we won’t go into the luxury tax.

There's a chance Ball would come off their cap if he can't play, which would open a lot up. If they don't resign DeMar, they also have plenty of room.

Ignoring Ball for a second... we don't have the room you think we do. You have Pat's extension to factor in, along with the $29.5M cap hold along with it... if you were trying to be creative.

Committed: $128,064,967 (with Ball)
Pat's cap hold: $29,507,643
1 roster charge: $1,160,544

Cap: $141,000,000
LT: $171,315,000.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/cap/2024/

[Hangtime84]

If the pistons prospects were so good they would be winning more games. They have a ton of them

Not at all. It takes time for guys to develop as we’ve seen here. Whats the last team with a full lineup of guys under 22 that has had any success? Even Wemby whos the best rookie we’ve seen in years is on a team thats 10-41. These teams need a big time vet or two to right the ship if they want to win games.

This is the argument against tanking, even after you get your young guys its gonna take some time for them to win

Meanwhile okc, kings, and magic are showing up better than historically bad team. You can be bad but not historically bad.

Spurs doing exactly what Mavs did to get Luka analytics in reverse.

[Muzbar]

Why is our forum so whiney? I come for trade rumors and it is a bunch of people complaining about GM/owner actions/inactions. Seems pointless to speculate what trades are offered and then judge decision making on those speculated trades….

If there are actual rumors in this thread I couldnt find them buried under all the moaning and whining going on

If we posters weren't being so 'whiney' then this thread would only be 1 page long.

[WindyCityBorn]

Unless I'm missing something, Pistons are good at drafting, they've made a bunch of good picks with the exception of Killian Hayes.

Cade, Duren, Ivey, Stewart, Ausar, etc. were all good picks and are good young building blocks.

When you are on track for like 10 wins you are terrible. They aren’t trying to lose either. They just suck. That current roster will never amount to anything. Bunch of busts. I don’t care how young they are. Front office grade F.

[WindyCityBorn]

I want 2 trades to happen by tomorrow. 1 Trade Lavine and 2 trade Lonzo Ball. I know this is highly unlikely but imagine replacing these two with players who actually play basketball for a change. Would be nice.

You might as well wish to win the lottery.

[WindyCityBorn]

This is NBA hell. Not because the Bulls are in 10th place. But because they built a team that is competing for 7th. This is the most frustrated I've been as a fan in a decade.

It’s shocking that anyone is satisfied with team or roster. The absolute ceiling is a first round loss. Bulls are dead.

[WindyCityBorn]

Expected outcome:
No deal by the deadline
Demar walks in the summer
Caruso finish his contract in Chicago

Wrong! We resign DeMar to a multi year deal no one else was willing to pay. Outbidding ourselves once again.

It's important to keep DeRozan and Vuc on the same timeline. Get Ball back next year, pair with a healthy Zach attack and Coby. Drummond and Caruso are those winning glue players, mix in the untapped potential of Patrick Williams with a sprinkle of Ayo and a few of the youngster...gotta like the future

You forgot the /s for sarcasm.

[WindyCityBorn]

Unless I'm missing something, Pistons are good at drafting, they've made a bunch of good picks with the exception of Killian Hayes.

Cade, Duren, Ivey, Stewart, Ausar, etc. were all good picks and are good young building blocks.

They really aren't though.

Really unbalanced selections too as the fit is awful.

BPA is never a bad strategy, especially picking that high. Those are all good picks in isolation. Those are all good young promising players, poor fit or not. Any one of them would be our most promising young player besides Coby.

Nothing is that promising when you have 7 wins and lost 20+ straight. Zero chance that current roster amounts to anything special.

[HomoSapien]

With Drummond, everyone assumes that his primary motivation is starting but I think finding a home is also important to him. We're his 6th team since Detroit, and he played for the Pistons as recently as the 2019-2020 season. He's also been on minimum or near minimum deals for the past three seasons. Drummond just wanting some sort of stability is the only explicable reason why he stayed in Chicago this year. We're not a contender, he's not starting, and he's played fewer minutes with us than any of his previous teams.

If we offered Drummond a three-year deal for part of the MLE or a two-year deal for the bi-annual exception, he'd probably strongly consider it.

[HomoSapien]

As for DeRozan, TNT and Bleacher Report’s Chris Haynes reported that said he hasn’t heard anything concrete regarding other teams moving in on the 15-year vet.

“I’m not hearing really anything on the DeMar DeRozan trade front, which leads me to believe that he will be kept through the deadline, and I would think that both sides would come back to the table and start trying to talk about an extension,” Haynes said on his podcast while talking to fellow NBA scribe Marc Stein.

Could the Bulls and DeRozan agree to an extension when the summer comes? Haynes revealed that may be the case, as the team apparently reveres DeRozan’s leadership and ability to mentor the young Bulls.

“The Bulls, and DeMar DeRozan, and his agent, Aaron Goodwin, they had some contact early on in the season, and both sides were far apart. That still is the case, but I think past the deadline, they’ll get back to the table and see if anything can be handed out because, as you mentioned Stein, he’ll be an unrestricted free agent, and they could risk losing him for nothing,” Haynes shared.

https://www.si.com/nba/bulls/news/nba-insider-says-there-hasnt-been-anything-on-the-demar-derozan-trade-front

You have to imagine that DDR's camp is looking for 3 years and that we're offering 2 (to line up with Vuc's contract expiration). I'm also guessing we're trying to offer him Vuc money, whereas his camp probably thinks he deserves a raise.

[WindyCityBorn]

With Drummond, everyone assumes that his primary motivation is starting but I think finding a home is also important to him. We're his 6th team since Detroit, and he played for the Pistons as recently as the 2019-2020 season. He's also been on minimum or near minimum deals for the past three seasons. Drummond just wanting some sort of stability is the only explicable reason why he stayed in Chicago this year. We're not a contender, he's not starting, and he's played fewer minutes with us than any of his previous teams.

If we offered Drummond a three-year deal for part of the MLE or a two-year deal for the bi-annual exception, he'd probably strongly consider it.

No I don’t think his primary motivation is starting. I think his motivation like anyone else will be market rate compensation for his talent and production. He is gonna 31 years old and is criminally underpaid. I personally would not take any steep discount to play for team that is going nowhere whether I like it there or not. It’s not he has been making 10s million recently. If the Bulls over him $5 million and another team offers him $8 million he’s gone. And I would $8 million is probably minimum he will get on the open market.

[gf2020hotmail]

Sorry. When I discuss Bulls roster moves it’s with the implicit understanding that we won’t go into the luxury tax.

There's a chance Ball would come off their cap if he can't play, which would open a lot up. If they don't resign DeMar, they also have plenty of room.

Ignoring Ball for a second... we don't have the room you think we do. You have Pat's extension to factor in, along with the $29.5M cap hold along with it... if you were trying to be creative.

Committed: $128,064,967 (with Ball)
Pat's cap hold: $29,507,643
1 roster charge: $1,160,544

Cap: $141,000,000
LT: $171,315,000.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/cap/2024/

I was talking about room under the tax for Drummond. I believe we will have his early bird right and/or the MLE to resign him if wanted, both of which aren't really impacted by the cap. In terms of the luxury tax, Pat's cap hold is pretty irrelevant unless you think there's a real chance that his salary will threaten that, which doesn't seem likely.