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[HomoSapien]

There's a chance Ball would come off their cap if he can't play, which would open a lot up. If they don't resign DeMar, they also have plenty of room.

Ignoring Ball for a second... we don't have the room you think we do. You have Pat's extension to factor in, along with the $29.5M cap hold along with it... if you were trying to be creative.

Committed: $128,064,967 (with Ball)
Pat's cap hold: $29,507,643
1 roster charge: $1,160,544

Cap: $141,000,000
LT: $171,315,000.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/cap/2024/

I was talking about room under the tax for Drummond. I believe we will have his early bird right and/or the MLE to resign him if wanted, both of which aren't really impacted by the cap. In terms of the luxury tax, Pat's cap hold is pretty irrelevant unless you think there's a real chance that his salary will threaten that, which doesn't seem likely.

At this rate, you'd have to think that the qualifying offer is a real possibility for Pat.

[WindyCityBorn]

There's a chance Ball would come off their cap if he can't play, which would open a lot up. If they don't resign DeMar, they also have plenty of room.

Ignoring Ball for a second... we don't have the room you think we do. You have Pat's extension to factor in, along with the $29.5M cap hold along with it... if you were trying to be creative.

Committed: $128,064,967 (with Ball)
Pat's cap hold: $29,507,643
1 roster charge: $1,160,544

Cap: $141,000,000
LT: $171,315,000.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/cap/2024/

I was talking about room under the tax for Drummond. I believe we will have his early bird right and/or the MLE to resign him if wanted, both of which aren't really impacted by the cap. In terms of the luxury tax, Pat's cap hold is pretty irrelevant unless you think there's a real chance that his salary will threaten that, which doesn't seem likely.

Pat will get a minimum of $15 million this offseason, he will definitely have a major impact on us approaching the luxury tax. DeRozan isn’t re-signing for less than Vuc makes so minimum $20 million for him. We will fill out the rest of roster with minimum deals other than our 1st round pick. We have basically no cap space external improvement. We could use the MLE, but we obviously won’t.

[WindyCityBorn]

Ignoring Ball for a second... we don't have the room you think we do. You have Pat's extension to factor in, along with the $29.5M cap hold along with it... if you were trying to be creative.

Committed: $128,064,967 (with Ball)
Pat's cap hold: $29,507,643
1 roster charge: $1,160,544

Cap: $141,000,000
LT: $171,315,000.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/cap/2024/

I was talking about room under the tax for Drummond. I believe we will have his early bird right and/or the MLE to resign him if wanted, both of which aren't really impacted by the cap. In terms of the luxury tax, Pat's cap hold is pretty irrelevant unless you think there's a real chance that his salary will threaten that, which doesn't seem likely.

At this rate, you'd have to think that the qualifying offer is a real possibility for Pat.

Some bad team that can’t attract good free agents will take a chance and offer more than that. Possibly significantly more. I’m not sure having to possibly match $20 million is better than giving him $16 or $17 million up front.

[RSP83]

Expected outcome:
No deal by the deadline
Demar walks in the summer
Caruso finish his contract in Chicago

Wrong! We resign DeMar to a multi year deal no one else was willing to pay. Outbidding ourselves once again.

Dude, I'm not that masochist.

[SfBull]

Ignoring Ball for a second... we don't have the room you think we do. You have Pat's extension to factor in, along with the $29.5M cap hold along with it... if you were trying to be creative.

Committed: $128,064,967 (with Ball)
Pat's cap hold: $29,507,643
1 roster charge: $1,160,544

Cap: $141,000,000
LT: $171,315,000.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/cap/2024/

I was talking about room under the tax for Drummond. I believe we will have his early bird right and/or the MLE to resign him if wanted, both of which aren't really impacted by the cap. In terms of the luxury tax, Pat's cap hold is pretty irrelevant unless you think there's a real chance that his salary will threaten that, which doesn't seem likely.

Pat will get a minimum of $15 million this offseason, he will definitely have a major impact on us approaching the luxury tax. DeRozan isn’t re-signing for less than Vuc makes so minimum $20 million for him. We will fill out the rest of roster with minimum deals other than our 1st round pick. We have basically no cap space external improvement. We could use the MLE, but we obviously won’t.

What?
Pat making $60 /4?
He's just a role player who's starting because he doesn't have real competition.
He should get something around Felicio's contract of 32/4.
But you'll likely say the salary cap raised since then.
Not sure why people are so high on just a role player like him,I can understand extending Coby but Pat at 60/4??

[Wingy]

Is there a capologist in the house?

Another crazy part about clutching on to all these guys is that Id bet once we stupidly resign DeMar (guessing 3 years, 90 with a player option), and if we can resign Pat, I’d assume we’re just about completely capped out and questionable if we use exceptions due to the tax. Anything left might go to Drummond or he walks as he def commands a raise after this year. Then AC is headed to UFA…

This all just looks real bad.

[ChiTownHero1992]

I was talking about room under the tax for Drummond. I believe we will have his early bird right and/or the MLE to resign him if wanted, both of which aren't really impacted by the cap. In terms of the luxury tax, Pat's cap hold is pretty irrelevant unless you think there's a real chance that his salary will threaten that, which doesn't seem likely.

Pat will get a minimum of $15 million this offseason, he will definitely have a major impact on us approaching the luxury tax. DeRozan isn’t re-signing for less than Vuc makes so minimum $20 million for him. We will fill out the rest of roster with minimum deals other than our 1st round pick. We have basically no cap space external improvement. We could use the MLE, but we obviously won’t.

What?
Pat making $60 /4?
He's just a role player who's starting because he doesn't have real competition.
He should get something around Felicio's contract of 32/4.
But you'll likely say the salary cap raised since then.
Not sure why people are so high on just a role player like him,I can understand extending Coby but Pat at 60/4??

Not a Pat fan whatsoever, but if you think he'll get anything under 60/4 more likely 80+/4 your going to be sorely surprised. I'd rather see him at like 40/4 but it just wont happen, other teams have shown interest before and now he is starting to play better with Coby/Ayo at the helm.

[boozapalooza]

KC says we want to remain competitive and to keep an eye on Philly as our trade partner today. Probably for Drummond but Demar and Caruso make sense there too.

I dont really love what Philly has to offer but their FRP for Drummond would be nice

[Chitwn36]

The Bulls are not doing anything because the FO believe the team can still compete for a playoff spot.
Having fun running in place yet, guys?

I agree with this but only slightly. I think the main reason is that we cannot get equal compensation for guys that have any real trade value. I think we all realize that the team may operate better without LaVine, but it makes no sense to just do a trade just to do a trade if we’re not making ourselves better from it. If we trade him I want close to equal value back. If we can’t there’s no point in trading him. It has to make sense on both sides.

[Wingy]

KC says we want to remain competitive and to keep an eye on Philly as our trade partner today. Probably for Drummond but Demar and Caruso make sense there too.

I dont really love what Philly has to offer but their FRP for Drummond would be nice

I don’t like that we’ll probably take back Marcus Morris in the real life miracle event that AK moves DeMar. I could see Philly going for him now only after Embiid’s injury to help keep their seeding afloat til the big guy (hopefully, fingers crossed) gets back.

Morris’s stench of a presence could ruin our 1 in a a billion zillion chance of landing Joker someday! You def let that guy walk if he were acquired.

[Rose2Boozer]

It's either substantial deals today or desperation deals during the off season.

[Wingy]

The Bulls are not doing anything because the FO believe the team can still compete for a playoff spot.
Having fun running in place yet, guys?

I agree with this but only slightly. I think the main reason is that we cannot get equal compensation for guys that have any real trade value. I think we all realize that the team may operate better without LaVine, but it makes no sense to just do a trade just to do a trade if we’re not making ourselves better from it. If we trade him I want close to equal value back. If we can’t there’s no point in trading him. It has to make sense on both sides.

You can’t get equal on court value back for Zach given contract and injuries right now. Literally impossible when envisioning what a relatively healthy Zach can bring.

We may not get perfect value back, but what is AK thinking the alternative is? These assets are only decreasing in value. Hold them, and then at best we’re probably only getting back what was offered anyway. Highlighting the ‘was’ because in the future the offers might well be worse or we lose these guys for nothing.

I get the feeling AK’s is too reliant on the S&T as a tool. Seems too random and unlikely to lead to a coherent, functional team when you largely limit your roster building choices to the specific teams interested and able to make a move for these particular guys, and their contracts that will happen to match.

[drosestruts]

Everyone thinking some team will offer Pat and/or DeRozan a big contract - can you name who you think that will be? Teams that will potentially have $30m in cap space:

Detroit
Philly - would have to renounce a lot of cap holds and make moves before re-signing Maxey
Orlando - similar to philly but Wagner and Bitadze. Don't have a big need for a forward
Charlotte - have Miller, Bridges, and Washington already
Utah
Toronto - if they renounce a lot of cap holds and do something before re-signing IQ
San Antonio

Team that could potentially have $20m in cap space:

OKC
Washington - if they drop cap holds on guys like Jones and Wright while releasing Shamet. Not sure they're looking for a forward with Kuzma, Avdija, and Coulibaly.


That's really it. From a cap space perspective this is who might have the cap space to throw an offer at someone like DeRozan or Williams that complicates our ability to keep them.

Who form this list in concerning you?

[eierluke]

Interesting discussion, Patrick Williams is indeed the guy I'd try to trade immediately.

Yes he has improved, but is he a "building block" (= someone who'll be one of the top 3 players on a team)?
I doubt, to me he'd be a borderlione starter on a good team, but no one who'd be able to carry a good team anytime.
Someone will offer him more than the Qualifying offer and then we do have a problem. Our problem will be that he's not the missing puzzle piece, sine with Coby we do have just one puzzle piece in place at best and it wouldn't be a good idea to throw any upcoming cap flexibility out of the window just to not lose a role player.

Unfortunately he got drafted by AKME so they will not trade him in order not to lose face ...

[Guru]

All the lets trade Pat guys are mad we traded Wendell Carter

[Wingy]

Everyone thinking some team will offer Pat and/or DeRozan a big contract - can you name who you think that will be?

The Chicago Bulls.

Then we won’t be able to make any improvements.

[Evil_Headband]

A trade with Philly makes no sense to me considering the FO’s goals. Weird.

[MGB8]

Everyone thinking some team will offer Pat and/or DeRozan a big contract - can you name who you think that will be? Teams that will potentially have $30m in cap space:

Detroit
Philly - would have to renounce a lot of cap holds and make moves before re-signing Maxey
Orlando - similar to philly but Wagner and Bitadze. Don't have a big need for a forward
Charlotte - have Miller, Bridges, and Washington already
Utah
Toronto - if they renounce a lot of cap holds and do something before re-signing IQ
San Antonio

Team that could potentially have $20m in cap space:

OKC
Washington - if they drop cap holds on guys like Jones and Wright while releasing Shamet. Not sure they're looking for a forward with Kuzma, Avdija, and Coulibaly.


That's really it. From a cap space perspective this is who might have the cap space to throw an offer at someone like DeRozan or Williams that complicates our ability to keep them.

Who form this list in concerning you?

I could def see Utah doing it, with Ainge looking to accumulate assets for “nothing.” San Antonio and Detroit, who had prior interest in Pat, are also real possibilities. Detroit is light on defensive big wings - basically just Thompson - and a Pat’s shooting would also be appealing. San Antonio is light on everything - Wemby, Vassell, and a whole lot of replacement level players.

That said, with the QO, you might do a Zach and let some team make the big offer, then decide whether to match, with the other teams knowing we are going to match anything reasonable.

[FriedRise]

A trade with Philly makes no sense to me considering the FO’s goals. Weird.

Yea. Like I said, if they wanna move up in the EC standings and make the play-in/playoffs, the team to beat will be Philly as they're sliding without Embiid but have won too many games to fall out completely.

How are you gonna do that if you help them by sending DeRozan, Caruso, and Drummond?

(FWIW, I still maintain trying to keep a 9th/10th seed team together is silly and shortsighted, BUUUUT not gonna lie I kinda want to see how Coby does when the games do matter)

[JimmyButler21]

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