Bulls Trade Rumors Only

[Stratmaster]

I know this will sound completely insane to some of the noted experts here bu, do you ever consider for a second that maybe other teams can't or don't want to do something? I mean man it's so hard to believe that some of you have no concept that it takes 2 teams at least to make a trade and those other teams just don't think the players the Bulls have to offer make them better than the players they'd have to give up?

Another great point. Especially at this juncture. The DDR trade needed to happen a year ago

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[Stratmaster]

No star is coming here to play with Coby. They see how badly and cheaply this team is run.

Are we cheap or do we have several players signed to such large contracts that they have no value? Which is it - because the two don't seem to go together?

I think it does in a way...we have multiple overpaid B-listers and role players (Lavine, Vuc, DeRozan) and not a single A-lister in site. We will never get an A-List Star (unless through draft Rose/Jordan) because we dont attract them with how bad the rosters tend to be. The rosters tend to be bad because they are too cheap to pay lux-tax bills and thus they then overpay B-List guys (Boozer, `DeRozan, Lavine, Vuc, Ben Wallace, etc) in order to "make the roster look better than it is".

It is the vicious never ending cycle of Bulls mediocrity. I'm in my 30's and with how the team has been ran since 98, I can say I have 0 confidence in this ownership, management and team to ever be more than a perpetual playoff team, never really contending but not bad enough to fully rebuild.

Who do you consider A-listers and which one of them would be available?

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[Guru]

Over the past month of bulls games I haven't seen a player on another team that could score as smoothly as DDR other than Durant in that final 2 quarters of that game. That's meaningful.

[Stratmaster]

Why trade Caruso? We need vets on the team. We need to play defense. There is no need to trade him. Hurts our team and makes another better.


Sent from somewhere you’ve never been.

We are tapped out as a 38 win team with him. Trade him before he gets hurt and while his contract still has the most value left on it. We are going nowhere fast. With all the injuries it snuffed out the 5% chance we could move into that 42-45 win zone.

The Bulls have been playing at a 49 win pace for the last 2 months.

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[jnrjr79]

They have won 60% of their games in the last few months.

Neat. But you don't just get to throw out the miserable start to the season. As it stands, the Bulls are bound for the play-in and their likely best outcome is a first round exit if they even make the playoffs. I just can't get too worked up about going 19-13.

60% seems pretty competitive.

The Bulls are 24-27. They have not won 60% of their games. We don't just get to pretend the beginning of the season didn't occur. Even with the recent improved play, the Bulls are basically bum-slaying. They have a good record against bad teams and a bad record against good teams. There is zero reason to believe this team, as currently constructed, is going anywhere in the playoffs. I'm enjoying the Coby White experience as much as anyone else, but pretending this team is actually good is pretty silly.

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I love the idea that a sub-.500 team currently slotted ninth wants to "remain" competitive. Remain? How about "become?"

They have won 60% of their games in the last few months.

Neat. But you don't just get to throw out the miserable start to the season. As it stands, the Bulls are bound for the play-in and their likely best outcome is a first round exit if they even make the playoffs. I just can't get too worked up about going 19-13.

What you are ignoring is that the 19-13 version is a better more competitive team and could go further in the playoffs. It can be argued that the current iteration is worth keeping if the trade offers are mediocre. Which they seem to have been.

[ch434355]

They have won 60% of their games in the last few months.

Neat. But you don't just get to throw out the miserable start to the season. As it stands, the Bulls are bound for the play-in and their likely best outcome is a first round exit if they even make the playoffs. I just can't get too worked up about going 19-13.

60% seems pretty competitive.

60% over the span of your arbitrary endpoints. The team is not competitive in any way that matters.

[Stratmaster]

I feel the need to reiterate this: we have zero evidence that ownership is driving this madness.

Whenever i see someone take an absolute stance like this (zero evidence), it’s evident to me that they are arguing a weak position.

There’s absolutely evidence. Of course ownership is driving the strategy and overall goals. That is literally what ownership does. This particular ownership has a long history of establishing the direction and strategy of the team.

Agree that it doesn’t absolve anyone of anything, but c’mon.

It’s just weird. They could have kept a husk team of old Noah and old Rose as happy mascots to fill the stands, but they cut ties. The mid three is barely more viable than that but we are staunchly dedicated to them.

The Bulls have been trying to trade Zach for a year. What is weird as how committed they are to the big two. The two old guys one of whom is about to be a free agent.

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[Stratmaster]

I believe we’ll move at least one of Caruso or DeMar. Sitting out a fourth consecutive transaction period to service a play-in berth when your leading scorer is highly likely to walk this summer and your best defender will follow him out the door in 2025 - that’s a degree of incompetence that I don’t think ownership can support.

Famous last words I realize … but the buck stops here imo.

I can not believe how unbelievably unlikely it is that they trade demar or caruso. I also can not believe this thread is going to reach over 20 pages by the deadline. In years past, it would be over 100, thank black jesus. But seriously, its pretty sad state of affairs for bulls fans, and this website that it is going to reach only 20 pages or so.

I'll be honest, I would probably post a lot more but after reading 7 pages of reading what sounds like a bunch of old ladies on nextdoor complaining about hobby lobby running low on quilting material I just shake my head & close the browser.

Y'all suck the fun out of the fan experience, fun suckers.

Best post of the thread

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[ch434355]

Looks like Philly is out on Demar

[Guru]

Neat. But you don't just get to throw out the miserable start to the season. As it stands, the Bulls are bound for the play-in and their likely best outcome is a first round exit if they even make the playoffs. I just can't get too worked up about going 19-13.

60% seems pretty competitive.

60% over the span of your arbitrary endpoints. The team is not competitive in any way that matters.

How about the way that they are winning 60% of their recent games, beating top teams in the East and West and currently in the play in game......

Would you rather have the opposites of all those be true?

[Stratmaster]

I can not believe how unbelievably unlikely it is that they trade demar or caruso. I also can not believe this thread is going to reach over 20 pages by the deadline. In years past, it would be over 100, thank black jesus. But seriously, its pretty sad state of affairs for bulls fans, and this website that it is going to reach only 20 pages or so.

I'll be honest, I would probably post a lot more but after reading 7 pages of reading what sounds like a bunch of old ladies on nextdoor complaining about hobby lobby running low on quilting material I just shake my head & close the browser.

Y'all suck the fun out of the fan experience, fun suckers.

It's not the inept organization that botched the team's present and future that is ruining the fan experience? It's the people calling them out on it? Well played, AK.

He isn't wrong. The Bulls have been a very good team and a fun team to watch for the last two months (a majority of the season). Ask anyone. Everyone says so.

So yeah... if they are now good and fun, then all the petulant entitled whining is kind of fun sucking. Isn't it?

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[Guru]

Whenever i see someone take an absolute stance like this (zero evidence), it’s evident to me that they are arguing a weak position.

There’s absolutely evidence. Of course ownership is driving the strategy and overall goals. That is literally what ownership does. This particular ownership has a long history of establishing the direction and strategy of the team.

Agree that it doesn’t absolve anyone of anything, but c’mon.

It’s just weird. They could have kept a husk team of old Noah and old Rose as happy mascots to fill the stands, but they cut ties. The mid three is barely more viable than that but we are staunchly dedicated to them.

The Bulls have been trying to trade Zach for a year. What is weird as how committed they are to the big two. The two old guys one of whom is about to be a free agent.

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i think that's culture and salary cap more than anything.

[ChiefILL53]

big negative of losing DeRozan is that a second primary wing scorer is gone and teams can focus on White more....who fills that gap?

This is not a rhetorical question...I am in favor of trading DeRozan but I could see it as a negative to Coby's development

This will teach him how to deal with being the focal point of an offense. Also depends on who would be coming back in the trade, could be role players that help alleviate some of that pressure. Plus there's still Vooch

[Stratmaster]

Because that "something" will be nothing worthwhile. What are we going to get for DDR and his 28 million dollar expiring contract? Matching the contract to facilitate a trade probably means getting back contracts that have multiple years remaining. There's no point trading for expiring contracts, I'd rather just keep DeMar to keep mentoring Coby, Ayo, Williams, Phillips and Terry for the season.

Unless we get an actual useful asset which we won't for DeMar then it's not worth trading.

If this potential first round pick for Drummond happens to be a real thing then you take it but otherwise see if you can re-sign Drummond on a friendly deal.

We aren’t resigning Drummond to a team friendky deal. He’s probably looking $8 to $10 million this offseason and the Bulls can’t afford that for a guy playing 15 minutes on average. Basically he is gone. He rehabilitated his value a LOT this season.

I'd prefer if instead of saying the Bulls "can't afford" to pay Drummond this number if the more accurate "the Bulls could afford to do this, but will elect to dodge the luxury tax and refuse to" were how we described the situation.

You would go into the luxury tax for Drummond?

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[ch434355]

60% seems pretty competitive.

60% over the span of your arbitrary endpoints. The team is not competitive in any way that matters.

How about the way that they are winning 60% of their recent games, beating top teams in the East and West and currently in the play in game......

Would you rather have the opposites of all those be true?

6-6 in their last 12.

You can play with arbitrary endpoints all you'd like to fit your narrative. Yes trends matter, but you're confusing small sample sizes with meaningful trends.All that hot streak did was cancel out the weirdly bad start. This is an average team, we know this.

They are 24-27 and have been outscored on the season. Also, we've seen more from this group than just this season. We know it doesn't work.

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[Stratmaster]

I want 2 trades to happen by tomorrow. 1 Trade Lavine and 2 trade Lonzo Ball. I know this is highly unlikely but imagine replacing these two with players who actually play basketball for a change. Would be nice.

So you take 60 mil in bad salary back.

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[nomorezorro]

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man as much as i want us to sell, it is hard to look at some of these deals and think "we need to get in on this market!"

[Guru]

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man as much as i want us to sell, it is hard to look at some of these deals and think "we need to get in on this market!"

Exactly