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[burlydee]

Ridiculous comparison. It's been accepted in sports that it is better to start slow and finish strong since the invention of sports.

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The Bulls are 5-5 in there last 10. They aren't finishing strong.

Of the top 10 teams in the East, here are their records over the past 10 games:

Bucks (#3) 5-5
76ers (#5) 3-7
Pacers (#6) 5-5
Heat (#7) 4-6
Magic (8) 5-5
Bulls (9) 5-5
Hawks (10). 4-6

So you're saying the Bulls don't have the chance to move up in this crowd? Really?

The Bulls are 3 games behind the Magic. So they can't just play the same, they have to play better. The Bulls schedule is tougher than Orlando or Miami. So I think they will struggle to move up. Plus the Hawks and Toronto are trying to stay relevant. Bulls are one injury away from the lottery. I think the most likely scenario is they lose to Orlando on the road in the play in.

Regardless, I don't believe they have a legit shot of winning a series against Boston, New York, Milwaukee or Cleveland. I think they would probably lose to Indy and the Sixers too. The teams top players are on the downside of their careers. So keep this group together doesn't have sane upside of Indy or Orlando that have rising stars. I actually think the Bulls could still compete for the playin with one or two smart trades while building for the future. I think the worst path forward is no move because I don't think the Bulls should run it back and I don't think there pieces look better in the summer. They look worse.

[Guru]

For the trade errybody crowd.....what trades would you have taken so far today for DDR?

[GoBlue72391]

Yep. Caruso doesn't impact games at a high-enough level that he's going to change our fortunes much. Will we be a little worse in the short-run? Yeah. But not a lot.

This is only correct if you never watch games when we are playing defense.

LOL. I watch all the games. And it's evident that Caruso is the most replaceable guy we can trade. Ayo, Pat, and Craig can all play more and approximate his production.

One of the worst takes I've seen in quite some time.

[HomoSapien]

I can’t wait to hear AKME’s press conference tonight. Is he really going to mention continuity with a straight face? They have to make the playoffs now. Anything less than that is a complete failure.

[GoBlue72391]

The best available move for the Bulls today would be to replace their head coach. That's it. Nothing else out there that would make sense unless someone is willing to give a GOOD player and GOOD pick for Demar; and all the reports say that isn't available.

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We fire Billy and replace him with Mo Cheeks or whoever as an interim coach and we get noticeably worse, and I'm not even a Billy guy.

[boozapalooza]

BPA is never a bad strategy, especially picking that high. Those are all good picks in isolation. Those are all good young promising players, poor fit or not. Any one of them would be our most promising young player besides Coby.

Agreed. They would have been crazy to give up any of Cade/Ivey/Ausar/Duren for Lavine. We wouldve been ecstatic. Cade is a better asset than anyone on our team. Once they bring in a vet leader they should be decent down the road. Their roster has have a higher ceiling than ours.

Cade is a terrible asset.

Doomed to get vastly overpaid.

Yes, 22 year old 6’6 PGs averaging 23-7-5 are terrible assets! He hasnt won anything so he must be garbage. If hes a terrible asset then so is everyone on our roster.

All these guys are overpaid. Pat Williams is gonna get 20M a year. Were paying Zach 50 mil a year. Not sure what your point is.

[MikeDC]

Yep. Caruso doesn't impact games at a high-enough level that he's going to change our fortunes much. Will we be a little worse in the short-run? Yeah. But not a lot.

Why? We're a lot better placed to lose Caruso than pretty much anyone else. If he's gone, what happens? We have more Ayo, more Pat, and more Craig. All solid options.

The return we get from trading Caruso is the highest of anyone we could likely trade. And the downside, in terms of actual impact on the court, is actually pretty low, because we've got more credible options to soak up those minutes.

• Lose Caruso, and we can fill in with Ayo, Pat, Craig, etc. Not as good, but still good enough to win games.
• Lose Drummond, and we fill in with ??? Nobody else on the team can do that. Maybe we can go out and get a guy for cheapish though.
• Lose DeRozan, and and we fill in with ??? Again... we have nobody else who actually does what he does at anything close to the same level. Guys like that aren't available. Doesn't mean we shouldn't consider trading him (we should) but the point I'm making is that Caruso is much more expendable.

In his first two seasons with the Bulls Caruso's on/off differential put him in the 90th and 94th percentile. What do you mean he doesn't impact games enough?

How much more impact could someone want?

This. The Bulls are going to be a lot, lot worse if they unload their most impactful player. (Which is fine since they're not going anywhere this year - perhaps even desirable to improve the draft pick).

I never roll my eyes harder than when people say that Caruso is easily replaced by others on the roster who do the same stuff. Nobody does the same stuff, yet you see this argument all the time.

Those guys absolutely do the same stuff. They're wing defenders that are capable of guarding at the NBA level. Not as well as Caruso, but that role has a ceiling. We can still fill that role and get a good return.

How many games worse will they be? That's the only true measure of "impact". Everything else is just the kind of empty BS that sensible people, not you, roll their eyes at.

[GoBlue72391]

For the trade errybody crowd.....what trades would you have taken so far today for DDR?

Any trade that involves at least one 1st round pick or one young player with upside?

In five months he's either going to walk and we lose him for nothing or we commit more years and cap space to an aging and declining player.

[GoBlue72391]

I can’t wait to hear AKME’s press conference tonight. Is he really going to mention continuity with a straight face? They have to make the playoffs now. Anything less than that is a complete failure.

Why even hold a press conference if we do nothing? BREAKING NEWS: THERE IS NO NEWS

[LateNight]

…So we did nothing?

[GoBlue72391]

Agreed. They would have been crazy to give up any of Cade/Ivey/Ausar/Duren for Lavine. We wouldve been ecstatic. Cade is a better asset than anyone on our team. Once they bring in a vet leader they should be decent down the road. Their roster has have a higher ceiling than ours.

Cade is a terrible asset.

Doomed to get vastly overpaid.

Yes, 22 year old 6’6 PGs averaging 23-7-5 are terrible assets! He hasnt won anything so he must be garbage. If hes a terrible asset then so is everyone on our roster.

All these guys are overpaid. Pat Williams is gonna get 20M a year. Were paying Zach 50 mil a year. Not sure what your point is.

There have been some absolutely wild, lunatic takes in this thread lmao

[GoBlue72391]

…So we did nothing?

Still a few hours left, but don't hold your breath.

[2weekswithpay]

The best available move for the Bulls today would be to replace their head coach. That's it. Nothing else out there that would make sense unless someone is willing to give a GOOD player and GOOD pick for Demar; and all the reports say that isn't available.

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Because Derozan isn't worth that. Nobody is giving up a good player and a good pick for 1 year of Derozan.

[cubd8]

Of the top 10 teams in the East, here are their records over the past 10 games:

Bucks (#3) 5-5
76ers (#5) 3-7
Pacers (#6) 5-5
Heat (#7) 4-6
Magic (8) 5-5
Bulls (9) 5-5
Hawks (10). 4-6

So you're saying the Bulls don't have the chance to move up in this crowd? Really?

They clearly can move up in the standings, but what is the end result? Getting knocked out by Milwaukee in Round 1?

The end result is significant playoff experience for the young guys on the team. Maybe even winning a series.

Do you believe the Bulls would compete against the top teams in the East or would they more likely lose a series in 5 games?

[cubd8]

…So we did nothing?

the deadline is this afternoon.

[MikeDC]

This is only correct if you never watch games when we are playing defense.

LOL. I watch all the games. And it's evident that Caruso is the most replaceable guy we can trade. Ayo, Pat, and Craig can all play more and approximate his production.

Ayo and Pat? Replace Caruso. Stop it.

Stop pretending to respond without seriously engaging the discussion. There's no point to your guys' dissembling responses.

No, I have (and everyone else, I think) would acknowledge that Caruso is better. But Ayo and Pat are good defenders and young developing players.

Getting better doesn't happen through risk-free magical thinking. The only way for the Bulls to improve is to get younger and get more assets. Buy low and sell high. The presence of these younger guys makes it relatively possible to sell high on Caruso. That's the kind of move the Bulls need to make.

The emotional thought process that you guys take leads to the opposite. Instead of selling high, you wait too long and hold on to these guys too long, and then you end up selling low and continuing the long descent through mediocrity that the Bulls are on.

You guys pretend to not be cool with that, but you're too scared to do anything about it. Good way to understand AKME.

[cubd8]

I wouldn't be surprised if they traded some pieces today, but there seems to be momentum on the idea that they will stand pat and try to make the playoffs.

[Jeffster81]

Why trade Caruso for a couple of FRPs when you can watch him evetually leave and the Bulls get nothing? But hey that run to the playoffs, that will eventually fall short will be boring and frustrating.

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[GoBlue72391]

The best available move for the Bulls today would be to replace their head coach. That's it. Nothing else out there that would make sense unless someone is willing to give a GOOD player and GOOD pick for Demar; and all the reports say that isn't available.

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Because Derozan isn't worth that. Nobody is giving up a good player and a good pick for 1 year of Derozan.

I'd be happy with one or the other. The alternative is losing him for nothing, or more likely, re-signing him.

Imagine having an aging Demar+Vuc, and inactive Zach+Lonzo, and an overpaid wallflower in PWill taking up the majority of cap space. That's the future we're most likely looking at.