Trade Talk (Part 15): Trade Deadline Day (and onwards!)

[shrink]

Doesn't he essentially make the minimum? So if trading him clears room to add a buyout guy at the minimum, are you really saving anything?

Yes, because buy out guys are pro-rated.

With 37% of the season left, a buy out guy’s cap hold would only be 37% of the minimum.

We've already paid 63% of Moore's salary this year then, so wouldn't that be on the books regardless?

If a player is waived - yes. If a player is traded - no.

The final payroll is based on the players on your team at the end of the year, plus any dead salary created.

EDIT: I should add if you traded WMJ for a player, 100% of that new player’s salary would count towards payroll, even though another team already paid 2/3rds of the actual dollars. This distinction is why the trade deadline matters so much, and why you see players like Springer and Corey Joseph traded for nothing, to rid teams of unwanted payroll.

[winforlose]

Doesn't he essentially make the minimum? So if trading him clears room to add a buyout guy at the minimum, are you really saving anything?

Yes, because buy out guys are pro-rated.

With 37% of the season left, a buy out guy’s cap hold would only be 37% of the minimum.

We've already paid 63% of Moore's salary this year then, so wouldn't that be on the books regardless?

If Moore’s 37% was in Indy, or Philly, or Portland, or wherever, that is money off our books. Now you bring in 37% of someone 300K cheaper, and you get that player plus the savings.

[TimberKat]

So, nothing else happened, not even a KA + stuff for Doug McDermott? That is disappointing.

We have no contracts to reach McDermotts salary with Kyle. We aren't going into the tax to trade for a 9th man.
Fwiw I think Kyle is a better player anyway.

McDermott is at 13.75. KA is at 9.2. One option is to get him and not Morris. Yes, use WMjr will put us over the tax level (I think). Could use NAW. I think we could really use a shooter.

Maybe it is having McDermott+TBJr vs. Morris + KA?

[jpatrick]

Yes, because buy out guys are pro-rated.

With 37% of the season left, a buy out guy’s cap hold would only be 37% of the minimum.

We've already paid 63% of Moore's salary this year then, so wouldn't that be on the books regardless?

If a player is waived - yes. If a player is traded - no.

The final payroll is based on the players on your team at the end of the year, plus any dead salary created.

EDIT: I should add if you traded WMJ for a player, 100% of that new player’s salary would count towards payroll, even though another team already paid 2/3rds of the actual dollars. This distinction is why the trade deadline matters so much, and why you see players like Springer and Corey Joseph traded for nothing, to rid teams of unwanted payroll.

This is like a cheat code to lower cap money for a roster spot. Trade said player with cash to a team with exception/cap space and sign minimum guy. 100% salary traded guy off books and only 1/3 of new guys salary (pro rata) counts against the cap.

I’m assuming no one would take WMJ into space because he has another year on the books after this one, even if we sent cash, and we didn’t want to attach an asset.

[moss_is_1]

Maybe it is having McDermott+TBJr vs. Morris + KA?

Yeah give me Morris and Slomo 100 times out of 100 there.

[BlacJacMac]

Lowry is likely to be going to Philly, Fournier/Harris seem pretty will cooked, and House isn't much of a shooter.

I'd give Leonard Miller a chance to earn some minutes, mainly because he's the Wolves best shooter currently not in the rotation (other than Garza).

Also add Marcus Morris and Dinwiddie to the list.

Dinwiddie is the best talent by far, his attitude kind of makes me question bringing him in. I'd take him, we could really use his shot creation and shooting.

Morris I wouldn't hate, he'd bring us some size and toughness that sometimes we really lack.

Too bad he can't shoot...

[BlacJacMac]

Lowry is likely to be going to Philly, Fournier/Harris seem pretty will cooked, and House isn't much of a shooter.

I'd give Leonard Miller a chance to earn some minutes, mainly because he's the Wolves best shooter currently not in the rotation (other than Garza).

Also add Marcus Morris and Dinwiddie to the list.

Dinwiddie is the best talent by far, his attitude kind of makes me question bringing him in. I'd take him, we could really use his shot creation and shooting.

Morris I wouldn't hate, he'd bring us some size and toughness that sometimes we really lack.

We could have had both if motherf****** TC had moved that waste of pick/space Moore to anyone else. Is anyone more comfortable with Moore on the bench than just about anyone who got waived?

Really committing to going "Full _AIJ_" on the margins of the roster, huh?

[TimberKat]

So far the buy out market candidates are PJ Tucker, Dinwiddie, and Fournier? I would take Dinwiddie as insurance on Morris. He can still drive to the basketball and shooting may turn around. I haven't seen Fournier play this year. Does he have anything left ( at the NBA level)?

[shrink]

So far the buy out market candidates are PJ Tucker, Dinwiddie, and Fournier? I would take Dinwiddie as insurance on Morris. He can still drive to the basketball and shooting may turn around. I haven't seen Fournier play this year. Does he have anything left ( at the NBA level)?

I haven’t seen him either, but Knicks fans say he can play, but Thibs would never play him because he doesn’t defend. If that’s true, I wouldn’t mind him as a buy out candidate, a different tool on Finch’s tool belt, as a version of McBuckets.

[TimberKat]

Lowry is likely to be going to Philly, Fournier/Harris seem pretty will cooked, and House isn't much of a shooter.

I'd give Leonard Miller a chance to earn some minutes, mainly because he's the Wolves best shooter currently not in the rotation (other than Garza).

Also add Marcus Morris and Dinwiddie to the list.

Dinwiddie is the best talent by far, his attitude kind of makes me question bringing him in. I'd take him, we could really use his shot creation and shooting.

Morris I wouldn't hate, he'd bring us some size and toughness that sometimes we really lack.

We could have had both if motherf****** TC had moved that waste of pick/space Moore to anyone else. Is anyone more comfortable with Moore on the bench than just about anyone who got waived?

I get why keep KA ( which I don't agree with but also not sure what deals are out there). I totally don't get signing Moore. I don't think anyone here thinks he could make it on the NBA level.

[minimus]

Note that OKC didn’t get Drummond, who CHI didn’t buy out.

Hayward is fine, but OKC needs a big, and didn’t add one.

I don't agree. OKC doesn't need a big like Drummond, they need more talent.

[winforlose]

Also add Marcus Morris and Dinwiddie to the list.

Dinwiddie is the best talent by far, his attitude kind of makes me question bringing him in. I'd take him, we could really use his shot creation and shooting.

Morris I wouldn't hate, he'd bring us some size and toughness that sometimes we really lack.

We could have had both if motherf****** TC had moved that waste of pick/space Moore to anyone else. Is anyone more comfortable with Moore on the bench than just about anyone who got waived?

Really committing to going "Full _AIJ_" on the margins of the roster, huh?

I don’t just want change on the margins, I want Kyle out of the rotation, off the team, and preferably hurting someone else’s spacing. Kyle is a disaster for us. Moore is a zero, but his money and roster space could have brought in a rotation worthy 3. Then you use the 2 for 1 to bring in a rotation worthy 4. Now you have our starting 5 plus Monte, NAW, BOG (Buy out Guy,) BOG, and Naz. The two BOGs save wear and tear and help us win. There is plenty of talent out there, and all of it more useful than Moore or Kyle.

[moss_is_1]

So far the buy out market candidates are PJ Tucker, Dinwiddie, and Fournier? I would take Dinwiddie as insurance on Morris. He can still drive to the basketball and shooting may turn around. I haven't seen Fournier play this year. Does he have anything left ( at the NBA level)?

I haven’t seen him either, but Knicks fans say he can play, but Thibs would never play him because he doesn’t defend. If that’s true, I wouldn’t mind him as a buy out candidate, a different tool on Finch’s tool belt, as a version of McBuckets.

I think he makes the most sense for us. He's only 31, has the connection to Gobert and offers the most, imo.

Doesn't seem we are interested in Dinwiddie.
No thanks on Tucker.

[KGdaBom]

Also add Marcus Morris and Dinwiddie to the list.

Dinwiddie is the best talent by far, his attitude kind of makes me question bringing him in. I'd take him, we could really use his shot creation and shooting.

Morris I wouldn't hate, he'd bring us some size and toughness that sometimes we really lack.

We could have had both if motherf****** TC had moved that waste of pick/space Moore to anyone else. Is anyone more comfortable with Moore on the bench than just about anyone who got waived?

Really committing to going "Full _AIJ_" on the margins of the roster, huh?

You absolutely made me laugh out loud with this comment. W4L has been wanting us to get a true PG and we got one of the best out there in Morris. We do that, but he gets very upset over us not doing the rest of his plan.

[KGdaBom]

So far the buy out market candidates are PJ Tucker, Dinwiddie, and Fournier? I would take Dinwiddie as insurance on Morris. He can still drive to the basketball and shooting may turn around. I haven't seen Fournier play this year. Does he have anything left ( at the NBA level)?

I haven’t seen him either, but Knicks fans say he can play, but Thibs would never play him because he doesn’t defend. If that’s true, I wouldn’t mind him as a buy out candidate, a different tool on Finch’s tool belt, as a version of McBuckets.

He's French. Might as well get the French Connection.

[winforlose]

We could have had both if motherf****** TC had moved that waste of pick/space Moore to anyone else. Is anyone more comfortable with Moore on the bench than just about anyone who got waived?

Really committing to going "Full _AIJ_" on the margins of the roster, huh?

You absolutely made me laugh out loud with this comment. W4L has been wanting us to get a true PG and we got one of the best out there in Morris. We do that, but he gets very upset over us not doing the rest of his plan.

I was thrilled with Morris. He was #2 on my list (Tyus was #1.) I am upset with keeping Kyle and not going all in. Can you honestly tell me you don’t see more value in two buyout guys than one?

[jpatrick]

So far the buy out market candidates are PJ Tucker, Dinwiddie, and Fournier? I would take Dinwiddie as insurance on Morris. He can still drive to the basketball and shooting may turn around. I haven't seen Fournier play this year. Does he have anything left ( at the NBA level)?

I haven’t seen him either, but Knicks fans say he can play, but Thibs would never play him because he doesn’t defend. If that’s true, I wouldn’t mind him as a buy out candidate, a different tool on Finch’s tool belt, as a version of McBuckets.

He's French. Might as well get the French Connection.

He’s a shooter that Thibs hasn’t played in two years. Hard to be a shooter without consistent shots. Rudy went to bat for him to the media earlier this year. And Fournier played well in FIBA over the offseason. His defense probably stinks, but I’m confident he can at least space the floor off the bench. Plus, he does have experience playing with Rudy, which is a plus.

[KGdaBom]

Really committing to going "Full _AIJ_" on the margins of the roster, huh?

You absolutely made me laugh out loud with this comment. W4L has been wanting us to get a true PG and we got one of the best out there in Morris. We do that, but he gets very upset over us not doing the rest of his plan.

I was thrilled with Morris. He was #2 on my list (Tyus was #1.) I am upset with keeping Kyle and not going all in. Can you honestly tell me you don’t see more value in two buyout guys than one?

You could be right. I don't know. However, we got the #2 guy on your list and you were freaking over the top with fury,rage,venom over them not doing the second part of your plan. Take the win. The Wolves are not obligated to do everything you think they should.

[moss_is_1]

I was thrilled with Morris. He was #2 on my list (Tyus was #1.) I am upset with keeping Kyle and not going all in. Can you honestly tell me you don’t see more value in two buyout guys than one?

Maybe Connely actually likes Moore. The buyout market is pretty horrible anyway. The odds of 2 buyout guys making a difference for us is pretty low.

[Klomp]

I think one of the important factors that keeps Kyle here is his ability to get in the middle and attack zone defenses. Regardless of what he does or does not provide in the regular season, the postseason is about what you can do to counter the opponents game plan. Kyle is important enough for that alone.