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[jnrjr79]

All these fans in here calling this a mediocre team, but if this team was fully healthy, Coby's going back to the bench. That's how talented Ball, Lavine, and Derozan are. And that team is winning a lot of games, with White, Caruso, Ayo, Craig, Carter, Drummond off the bench. Probably a 3 or 4 seed at least.

You can't magically make Lonzo healthy, so whenever anyone calls this team mediocre his injury is part of it.

I know AK can't predict injuries, but he's had time to move in an different direction and refuses to do so.

How can he move on from it while still holding his contract? Not to mention every year but this one, Lonzo's been rumored to be coming back. Somehow magically ignore Lonzo's $20 mill cap hit and bring back an equivalent player without spending assets? Like it or not, until Lonzo's contract is off our books, he's a heavy anchor on acquisitions.

Which is a terrific reason to retool! If you're hamstrung by a $20 million dead slot in your salary cap, your options are either to go into the tax to try to make up for it or to seize upon the unfortunate news as an excuse to retool.

[WindyCityBorn]

I think an overlooked thing is that the perception of the Bulls online and in the media - doesn't seem to align with the perception of the Bulls amongst NBA players.

When Boylen was the coach we legit had other teams laughing at us, on camera during games.

Part of the Vuc, and especially DeRozan signings were about rehabilitating the image of the Bulls amongst NBA players. I think that has clearly been accomplished.

I don't care if Brian Windhorst thinks we're cool, or Duck (sorry to use you as an example Duck - you were the first poster that popped into mind).

I'll take Torrey Craig and Andre Drummonds seal of approval - two solid veteran NBA players that chose Chicago over multiple options - over the seal of approval from Ricky O'Donnel or some other blogger/podcaster who's finances are tied to clicks and listens (and we all know nothing sells like outrage - look at any news channel).

DeRozan sounds like a guy who wants to be here. Not a guy who's looking to run away as soon as the season is over. That's a BIG chance in the past three years.

Building up all this good will then throwing it away for a late first or some future distant seconds would have been stupid.

You want to understand AK - just look at the Nuggets.

From 2013-14 to 2017-18 they don't make the playoffs, and never win less than 30 games in a season.

2018-19: lost in the 2nd round
2019-20: lost in the conference finals
2020-21: lost in the 2nd round
2021-22: lost in the 1st round
2022-23: NBA Champions

This message board - without a doubt would be screaming for the team to blow it up after a first round exit in 2022. Posters left and right would be claiming the WCF run was a Bubble Fluke and that the team is regressing. Or that Murray and Porter are too injury proned.

This board is called RealGM - so I understand it might oversatuate in people who fancy themselves armchair General Managers. Making deals is fun - Daryl Morrey can't help himself (also never won anything). Morrey made trades for future 2nd today that directly help competing Eastern Conference teams. Those future 2nds will most likely never contribute anything of value for Morrey or the 76ers. But hey - TRADES!!

This Bulls team gets along with eachother, plays hard, and does have a number of emerging talents in Coby, Ayo, and yes even Patrick Williams (though no, I don't think he signs for $20mm in AAV)

The Bulls - after a disasterous start to the season have won 60% of their games over a 2+ month period.

Last year we won 60% of our games after the trade deadline and everyone says it doesn't count because it was in the last quarter of the season.

This year we win 60% of our games in December and January, and again nothing but excuses dismissing it.

This is a talented team. When you look at lineup data you always see that this team plays better with one of DeRozan or LaVine but not both. Well - now we get to test that our with some long-term data.

For you naysayers and malcontents - what level of success gets you to admit you were wrong and it was better to keep this team together?

A push to the 6th seed
A competitive 1st round playoff series
A first round playoff series victory
A competitive 2nd round playoff series

or does nothing the Bulls could accomplish this season make you think this is a team worth keeping together?

I don’t think this can ever get to the second round and DeMar and Vuc are going to get worse. Our situation is completely incomparable to Denver. We struggled for the play-in with two of key players clearly trending down. If DeMar and Vuc were 27 then this would an entirely different situation, but they’re not.

[sco]

You can't magically make Lonzo healthy, so whenever anyone calls this team mediocre his injury is part of it.

I know AK can't predict injuries, but he's had time to move in an different direction and refuses to do so.

How can he move on from it while still holding his contract? Not to mention every year but this one, Lonzo's been rumored to be coming back. Somehow magically ignore Lonzo's $20 mill cap hit and bring back an equivalent player without spending assets? Like it or not, until Lonzo's contract is off our books, he's a heavy anchor on acquisitions.

Which is a terrific reason to retool! If you're hamstrung by a $20 million dead slot in your salary cap, your options are either to go into the tax to try to make up for it or to seize upon the unfortunate news as an excuse to retool.

The whole retool/reboot/tank argument makes a certain degree of sense in isolation, but IMO, AK is smart enough to know that his job will be a lot safer having a marginal playoff team than hoping the FO has the patience to wait 5 years to return to the playoffs with a hopefully better team.

[WindyCityBorn]

Thanks for this reply bc the OP is a joke of a take. One of the worst Bulls takes I’ve seen in years. I usually am always fair to my fellow bulls brethren but that was utterly ridiculous. The way this team has been run since Lonzo’s injury is absolutely embarrassing and horrifying.

You could have just replied to me. I'm a big boy. I can handle it.

We just see basketball differently my friend. I am far from a championship or bust kind of guy. And I definitely don't think that being bad is the only way to get good. I'm team continuity. I want to establish a winning identity. I want people to say Bulls Culture the way they say Heat Culture. You, and apparently many others, would rather just take their chances with the lottery.

I'd like to make the playoffs this year. What a terrible take.

Agreed, though at one point, I was definitely team "championship or bust".

Nowadays, I just want to go into each game having a chance to win. Tuesday versus Timberwolves ended up being a lot of fun.

Why should the Chicago Bulls only hope to go into every game with a chance to win? Other than poor management?

[DASMACKDOWN]

Here is another thing that no one has really talked about.

What are we going to do with Drummond?

If you remember, Drummond, luckily I might add, decided to opt back in to the team. If not we would have had no backup bigs on the roster.

Drummond is easily one of the best backup bigs in the NBA. If he walks, how do we replace that without taking a step backwards? We are screwing ourselves.

[Salo23]

Read on Twitter

Who the hell is Kev? And sure. He has sources. And he knows. But he can't say. Lol

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I hate those types of tweets, they are utterly useless.

KC Johnson reported on the bullstalk podcast the Warriors called about Caruso, Bulls asked for Kuminga, Warriors said no Kuminga. There were variations of deals discussed but with Kuminga off the table the Bulls ultimately passed.

KC also reported he believes Derozan gets signed to an extension before he hits free agency, just like Vucevic a year ago.

Kendall Gill thinks that’s also a reason Drummond did not get traded, because the Bulls intend to keep him as well.

[Stratmaster]

Basketball Reference has them at a 21.5% chance. FanDuel has it at +310 (so also unlikely). 538 projects them missing the playoffs.

But yeah, sure, the problem here is that ESPN sucks at math.

Apparently, you do as well. Why would the odds be so different?

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Are you seriously asking why various models aimed at predicting the future have variance between them?

Yes. Why they would have a 300% disparity. If I were bringing a product to market and I was given that kind of a range for its odds of success I would fire the team that brought it to me.

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[sco]

Here is another thing that no one has really talked about.

What are we going to do with Drummond?

If you remember, Drummond, luckily I might add, decided to opt back in to the team. If not we would have had no backup bigs on the roster.

Drummond is easily one of the best backup bigs in the NBA. If he walks, how do we replace that without taking a step backwards? We are screwing ourselves.

I have to think he likes his situation here playing behind an again Vuc who might continue to yield minutes. Billy seems to be warming to him as I would otherwise think we would have dumped him for some 2nd rounders.

[GoBlue72391]

My house needs work. Don't do anything, just let it continue rotting and hope it magically gets fixed.

My wife and I had an argument. Avoid interacting with her at all costs.

My kid got a C+ in math. Congratulate him for being competitive and in the thick of it.

Thanks for this reply bc the OP is a joke of a take. One of the worst Bulls takes I’ve seen in years. I usually am always fair to my fellow bulls brethren but that was utterly ridiculous. The way this team has been run since Lonzo’s injury is absolutely embarrassing and horrifying.

There has been no accountability and it’s been a re-run of a bad tv show for a few years.

I refuse to believe there wasn’t a move to be made in one direction or another. When the only move you’ve made in the trade market for 30 months was giving away a franchise player, how anyone could support these guys…is so far beyond me it’s sickening.

I’m gonna pull up short of posting receipts off all the fans here who thought Jevon Carter should start over Coby White. Maybe some of the same people giving AKME a pass over and over.

Yeah I’m pissed off.

Calling Lauri a franchise player is a huge exaggeration. If he was still here paired Coby we would actually have a future though. At this point we have to pray Pat pulls a Coby type rise(impossible as long both DeMar and Vuc are here) that we get really lucky in he draft lottery. We probably won’t even have our pick in 2025.

Lauri is a top 15 player in the league by most advanced metrics. He's absolutely a franchise player, without question.

He's 11th in the league in PER this year and the only people ahead of him are all superstars.

Here's a list of players over the past two seasons who have scored at least 20 PPG on at least 64 TS%:

- Lauri
- Jokic
- Embiid
- Giannis
- Curry
- SGA
- KD
- Kawhi
- Lillard
- Jimmy
- Zion

Every single one of those players are bonafide superstars and franchise players.

[kulaz3000]

Who the hell is Kev? And sure. He has sources. And he knows. But he can't say. Lol

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I hate those types of tweets, they are utterly useless.

KC Johnson reported on the bullstalk podcast the Warriors called about Caruso, Bulls asked for Kuminga, Warriors said no Kuminga. There were variations of deals discussed but with Kuminga off the table the Bulls ultimately passed.

KC also reported he believes Derozan gets signed to an extension before he hits free agency, just like Vucevic a year ago.

Kendall Gill thinks that’s also a reason Drummond did not get traded, because the Bulls intend to keep him as well.

Continuity. Yay.

[jnrjr79]

Apparently, you do as well. Why would the odds be so different?

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Are you seriously asking why various models aimed at predicting the future have variance between them?

Yes. Why they would have a 300% disparity. If I were bringing a product to market and I was given that kind of a range for its odds of success I would fire the team that brought it to me.

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Well, first, that analogy is weird and inapt. But in any event, you're missing the forest for the trees. Regardless of how unlikely it is, exactly, all of the main prognostication models believe it is substantially unlikely that the Bulls will miss the playoffs. That's bad for a team that believes that it is "competitive."

I'm rooting for the Bulls to make the playoffs. I hope it happens. But the reality is that, despite better play of late, this is still a sub-.500 team with an abysmal record against good NBA teams that is going to have an uphill battle merely to get into the playoffs and lose in the first round.

[GoBlue72391]

Read on Twitter

If that's true, Kuminga and at least one 1st round pick would be my guess.

But I question its veracity. First, I don't know who that guy is. Second, why would he be able to report that they turned GS down, but not say what they turned down? Third, we're supposed to believe that dude has sources? lol

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, maybe the guy is a legitimate source.

Edit: I meant Moody, not Kuminga.

[WindyCityBorn]

Thanks for this reply bc the OP is a joke of a take. One of the worst Bulls takes I’ve seen in years. I usually am always fair to my fellow bulls brethren but that was utterly ridiculous. The way this team has been run since Lonzo’s injury is absolutely embarrassing and horrifying.

There has been no accountability and it’s been a re-run of a bad tv show for a few years.

I refuse to believe there wasn’t a move to be made in one direction or another. When the only move you’ve made in the trade market for 30 months was giving away a franchise player, how anyone could support these guys…is so far beyond me it’s sickening.

I’m gonna pull up short of posting receipts off all the fans here who thought Jevon Carter should start over Coby White. Maybe some of the same people giving AKME a pass over and over.

Yeah I’m pissed off.

Calling Lauri a franchise player is a huge exaggeration. If he was still here paired Coby we would actually have a future though. At this point we have to pray Pat pulls a Coby type rise(impossible as long both DeMar and Vuc are here) that we get really lucky in he draft lottery. We probably won’t even have our pick in 2025.

Lauri is a top 15 player in the league by most advanced metrics. He's absolutely a franchise player, without question.

He's 11th in the league in PER this year and the only people ahead of him are all superstars.

Here's a list of players over the past two seasons who have scored at least 20 PPG on at least 64 TS%:

- Lauri
- Jokic
- Embiid
- Giannis
- Curry
- SGA
- KD
- Kawhi
- Lillard
- Jimmy
- Zion

Every single one of those players are bonafide superstars and franchise players.

I don’t consider a top 15 player a franchise player. To me a franchise player someone capable of being the best player on a championship team. I don’t see Lauri as being that.

Also Zion is not a franchise player. Butler isn’t really either. Massive drop from those other players to Zion, Lauri and Butler.

[League Circles]

Here is another thing that no one has really talked about.

What are we going to do with Drummond?

If you remember, Drummond, luckily I might add, decided to opt back in to the team. If not we would have had no backup bigs on the roster.

Drummond is easily one of the best backup bigs in the NBA. If he walks, how do we replace that without taking a step backwards? We are screwing ourselves.

We should re-sign him.

[Infinity2152]

Thanks for this reply bc the OP is a joke of a take. One of the worst Bulls takes I’ve seen in years. I usually am always fair to my fellow bulls brethren but that was utterly ridiculous. The way this team has been run since Lonzo’s injury is absolutely embarrassing and horrifying.

There has been no accountability and it’s been a re-run of a bad tv show for a few years.

I refuse to believe there wasn’t a move to be made in one direction or another. When the only move you’ve made in the trade market for 30 months was giving away a franchise player, how anyone could support these guys…is so far beyond me it’s sickening.

I’m gonna pull up short of posting receipts off all the fans here who thought Jevon Carter should start over Coby White. Maybe some of the same people giving AKME a pass over and over.

Yeah I’m pissed off.

Calling Lauri a franchise player is a huge exaggeration. If he was still here paired Coby we would actually have a future though. At this point we have to pray Pat pulls a Coby type rise(impossible as long both DeMar and Vuc are here) that we get really lucky in he draft lottery. We probably won’t even have our pick in 2025.

Lauri is a top 15 player in the league by most advanced metrics. He's absolutely a franchise player, without question.

He's 11th in the league in PER this year and the only people ahead of him are all superstars.

Here's a list of players over the past two seasons who have scored at least 20 PPG on at least 64 TS%:

- Lauri
- Jokic
- Embiid
- Giannis
- Curry
- SGA
- KD
- Kawhi
- Lillard
- Jimmy
- Zion

Every single one of those players are bonafide superstars and franchise players.

That 64% seems arbitrary as heck, lol. Checked some stats, Zach was at 61% and Debo at 59% at 24+ per game. If only they'd shot slightly better, they could be bonafide superstars and franchise players too.

[DASMACKDOWN]

I hate those types of tweets, they are utterly useless.

KC Johnson reported on the bullstalk podcast the Warriors called about Caruso, Bulls asked for Kuminga, Warriors said no Kuminga. There were variations of deals discussed but with Kuminga off the table the Bulls ultimately passed.

KC also reported he believes Derozan gets signed to an extension before he hits free agency, just like Vucevic a year ago.

Kendall Gill thinks that’s also a reason Drummond did not get traded, because the Bulls intend to keep him as well.

Continuity. Yay.

This will only be viable and staying under tax unless we trade Zach in a partial salary dump manner.

[Muzbar]

You are not someone special like Nostradamus.. stop doing that to yourself. No one can predict any outcome. Have you predicted the rise of the Warrioris dynasty? Or did you ever predicted the #8 seed Knicks would go all the way to the Finals? Nope not a chance.. our chances will not only depend on our lineup BUT also the other team’s performance.. dont forget that!

I will guarantee you that the Bulls will fight for a play-in spot and IF they make it they will lose and not make the playoffs and IF by some miracle they make the playoffs they'll be bounced round 1.

Those other examples you used were all outcomes that were unpredictable and unprecedented. This is the same team it has been for 3 years with the same results.

I did predict that the Bulls would do nothing at the deadline, because it's the same thing they've done for 2 straight deadlines before this one. So maybe I do have a little Nostradamus in me, or maybe it was just easy to predict based on past events.

Wow, that is quite the guarantee. I guarantee A. But if not, I guarantee B. But if not A or B, I guarantee C.

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Ok, first of all there was only 2 guarantees. Fighting for a play-in spot and then losing if they do make it and the if by some miracle they do make the playoffs they'll get bounced first round.

If anything I made 2 guarantees, not guarantees with options.

The 2 are intertwined into one another, it's not like I said I guarantee the team misses the playoffs, unless they make it and then they'll go to the ECFs.

Are you saying the guarantees I made are unlikely?

[WindyCityBorn]

Here is another thing that no one has really talked about.

What are we going to do with Drummond?

If you remember, Drummond, luckily I might add, decided to opt back in to the team. If not we would have had no backup bigs on the roster.

Drummond is easily one of the best backup bigs in the NBA. If he walks, how do we replace that without taking a step backwards? We are screwing ourselves.

We should re-sign him.

We won’t pay the luxury tax so something will have to give. Resigning DeRozan, Williams and Drummond will put us right at the tax line. So basically exact same team plus our draft picks.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Here is another thing that no one has really talked about.

What are we going to do with Drummond?

If you remember, Drummond, luckily I might add, decided to opt back in to the team. If not we would have had no backup bigs on the roster.

Drummond is easily one of the best backup bigs in the NBA. If he walks, how do we replace that without taking a step backwards? We are screwing ourselves.

We should re-sign him.

I agree but then I remember the big salary coming off is Zach.

[GoBlue72391]

Calling Lauri a franchise player is a huge exaggeration. If he was still here paired Coby we would actually have a future though. At this point we have to pray Pat pulls a Coby type rise(impossible as long both DeMar and Vuc are here) that we get really lucky in he draft lottery. We probably won’t even have our pick in 2025.

Lauri is a top 15 player in the league by most advanced metrics. He's absolutely a franchise player, without question.

He's 11th in the league in PER this year and the only people ahead of him are all superstars.

Here's a list of players over the past two seasons who have scored at least 20 PPG on at least 64 TS%:

- Lauri
- Jokic
- Embiid
- Giannis
- Curry
- SGA
- KD
- Kawhi
- Lillard
- Jimmy
- Zion

Every single one of those players are bonafide superstars and franchise players.

That 64% seems arbitrary as heck, lol. Checked some stats, Zach was at 61% and Debo at 59%. If only they'd shot slightly better, they could be bonafide superstars and franchise players too.

Huge difference between 64 and 61/59. Ridiculous take. Choose whatever parameters you like, all the numbers say Lauri is elite.