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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#921 » by winforlose » Fri Feb 9, 2024 7:52 pm

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bluethunder0005 wrote:Gallo would probably be the one I'm most interested in. We just traded for Monte so no point in getting Spencer, especially since Spencer seems to be a bad clubhouse guy. Joe Harris is beyond washed and Hayes is awful.


Always been big Gallo fan

Dinwoodie is a "bucket getter" though, Dallas wouldn't have made WCF in 2022 without him

think that is by far the Wolves biggest weakness, guys who can create something against a locked in, switching, playoff intensity defense

Its really ANT that can do that, than probably Naz would be 2nd best??


Only thing I dislike about Dinwiddie is he is inconsistent from deep. I wonder if he can hit uncontested corner 3s off a catch and shoot or escape dribble at a reliable rate?
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#922 » by wolves_89 » Fri Feb 9, 2024 8:23 pm

The top 3 Wolves targets I'm watching on the buyout market are Otto Porter, Delon Wright, and Danilo Gallinari. I could see a path for each of those guys being a real contributor down the stretch and in the playoffs.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#923 » by MN7725 » Fri Feb 9, 2024 8:30 pm

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bluethunder0005 wrote:Gallo would probably be the one I'm most interested in. We just traded for Monte so no point in getting Spencer, especially since Spencer seems to be a bad clubhouse guy. Joe Harris is beyond washed and Hayes is awful.


Always been big Gallo fan

Dinwoodie is a "bucket getter" though, Dallas wouldn't have made WCF in 2022 without him

think that is by far the Wolves biggest weakness, guys who can create something against a locked in, switching, playoff intensity defense

Its really ANT that can do that, than probably Naz would be 2nd best??


Only thing I dislike about Dinwiddie is he is inconsistent from deep. I wonder if he can hit uncontested corner 3s off a catch and shoot or escape dribble at a reliable rate?


again, Gallo would be my top choice

Dinwoodie has been bad this year, but at least he has a track record of doing it in his career
stepped up in the bright lights

I'd say its 2 to 1 against that he would be useful player though

people dismiss the inefficient bucket getters like Dinwoodie, but they are usually the players that have ability to step it up in playoff intensity, whereas the cherished efficient 3 and D players (efficient because they mostly take open shots created by others) become fairly useless in that environment

looks like Dinwoodie is going elsewhere anyway
the defenses are too locked in, the players with poor ball skills shrink down

I'm frankly worried about going into any playoff series with needing to rely on Conley, NAW, KA, Morris, Jaden, JMAC to generate half court offense. I don't think the odds (2 to 1) of any of those players really being offensively impactful is that much different than Dinwoodie. We'll see how Morris looks

looks like Dinwoodie is going elswhere anyway
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#924 » by jpatrick » Fri Feb 9, 2024 9:20 pm

Gallo can shoot. But who does he guard. I could be wrong, but I believe with all his injuries, he’s essentially limited to guarding centers and maybe a few plodding PFs. That sounds like someone who’s not getting off the bench in a playoff series. I really think we need a wing.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#925 » by FrenchMinnyFan » Sat Feb 10, 2024 1:46 am

I would bet on Fournier if he get buy out. He is heathly and have a lot to proove if he want go remain in NBA and go to Olympics. He also a mate from Rudy and not a bad shooter. If we can get it for cheap, i will do it.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#926 » by winforlose » Sat Feb 10, 2024 1:52 am

FrenchMinnyFan wrote:I would bet on Fournier if he get buy out. He is heathly and have a lot to proove if he want go remain in NBA and go to Olympics. He also a mate from Rudy and not a bad shooter. If we can get it for cheap, i will do it.


Someone on the general board pointed out that the club cannot buy him out this year. He has a 19 million club option that auto triggers if they buy him out. So he is very unlikely to be available.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/detroit-pistons/evan-fournier-10845/
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#927 » by Klomp » Sat Feb 10, 2024 2:06 am

winforlose wrote:
FrenchMinnyFan wrote:I would bet on Fournier if he get buy out. He is heathly and have a lot to proove if he want go remain in NBA and go to Olympics. He also a mate from Rudy and not a bad shooter. If we can get it for cheap, i will do it.


Someone on the general board pointed out that the club cannot buy him out this year. He has a 19 million club option that auto triggers if they buy him out. So he is very unlikely to be available.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/detroit-pistons/evan-fournier-10845/

I don't believe that's accurate.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#928 » by winforlose » Sat Feb 10, 2024 2:12 am

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winforlose wrote:
FrenchMinnyFan wrote:I would bet on Fournier if he get buy out. He is heathly and have a lot to proove if he want go remain in NBA and go to Olympics. He also a mate from Rudy and not a bad shooter. If we can get it for cheap, i will do it.


Someone on the general board pointed out that the club cannot buy him out this year. He has a 19 million club option that auto triggers if they buy him out. So he is very unlikely to be available.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/detroit-pistons/evan-fournier-10845/

I don't believe that's accurate.


I honestly don’t know. Information is second hand.

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Bought out/waived players:
Candidates
Kyle Lowry
Marcus Morris
PJ Tucker
Evan Founier


he has a $19M team option next year so if they were to waive him that option would automatically be picked up. they'll 100% just play out the year and decline the option in the off season.”

FYI Fournier’s name is bolded in the original post.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2356771
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#929 » by Klomp » Sat Feb 10, 2024 2:32 am

winforlose wrote:
Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:
Someone on the general board pointed out that the club cannot buy him out this year. He has a 19 million club option that auto triggers if they buy him out. So he is very unlikely to be available.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/detroit-pistons/evan-fournier-10845/

I don't believe that's accurate.


I honestly don’t know. Information is second hand.

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#6 » Today 12:10 am
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Richard4444 wrote:
Bought out/waived players:
Candidates
Kyle Lowry
Marcus Morris
PJ Tucker
Evan Founier


he has a $19M team option next year so if they were to waive him that option would automatically be picked up. they'll 100% just play out the year and decline the option in the off season.”

FYI Fournier’s name is bolded in the original post.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2356771

I believe that person is confused on the difference between team option and early termination option. But that's a question better reserved for shrink to be sure.

The remainder of the contract includes any seasons following an Early Termination Option (ETO), but not a season following a player or team option.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#930 » by shrink » Sat Feb 10, 2024 2:33 am

I wanted to review Vet Min contracts before the buy out

Minimum salary for 2023-24
Years of experience
0 $1.1 million
1 $1.8 million
2 $2.01 million
3 $2.09 million
4 $2.1 million
5 $2.3 million
6 $2.5 million
7 $2.7 million
8 $2.8 million
9 $2.9 million
10+ $3.1 million

1. All these salaries will be pro-rated to 36.5%, since that’s all that left in the regular season, so a 2-year vet will get about $700,000 for the rest of the season, and a vet with 10 years of experience will get about $1 mil

2. The NBA has a rule to encourage teams to hire vets with more experience by pricing any vet with 2 or more experience like a 2 year vet. The NBA makes up the additional payment, but the team salary for a vet min contract won’t be over that $700,000.

3. Most teams over the cap need to use a vet min mechanism to add a free agent, so the player generally chooses between the same salaries to pick the team that fits him best. Appealing factors are winning, a real role, and the chance to show they can still play (and get a new contract this summer).

4. Minnesota has additional money left in their MLE, and can use that to outbid teams that only have vet mins. But for a 10 year vet, that means offering over $1 mil, all of it applies to team payroll, none is covered by the NBA front office.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#931 » by shrink » Sat Feb 10, 2024 2:39 am

Klomp wrote:I believe that person is confused on the difference between team option and early termination option. But that's a question better reserved for shrink to be sure.

The remainder of the contract includes any seasons following an Early Termination Option (ETO), but not a season following a player or team option.

Yeah, I haven’t heard of a team option being guaranteed for the next year if a player is bought out. The CBA has rules though for teams with future player options, and I suspect that’s where he’s confused. I’ll go ask in that thread.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#932 » by winforlose » Sat Feb 10, 2024 3:08 am

shrink wrote:
Klomp wrote:I believe that person is confused on the difference between team option and early termination option. But that's a question better reserved for shrink to be sure.

The remainder of the contract includes any seasons following an Early Termination Option (ETO), but not a season following a player or team option.

Yeah, I haven’t heard of a team option being guaranteed for the next year if a player is bought out. The CBA has rules though for teams with future player options, and I suspect that’s where he’s confused. I’ll go ask in that thread.


Thanks Shrink, this stuff is just outside my knowledge base.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#933 » by wolves_89 » Sat Feb 10, 2024 3:29 pm

Thinking some more about the buyout market, I've come to believe that Delon Wright would be the most useful player that could potentially be available. He would be a perfect 10th guy in that he can play some PG, he has the size to replace Ant/NAW on defense, and he has the shooting to spread the floor.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#934 » by winforlose » Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:06 pm

Is Danny Green completely washed? I saw the news above and I don’t know what to think about him.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#937 » by m2002brian » Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:27 am




I hope so. We need a “bad ass” in team. Plus he’s can actually ball.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#939 » by winforlose » Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:12 pm

Dinwiddie is a Laker, Lowry a 76er, Biyombo is a Thunder player, (would Thunderer have been correct?) Marcus Morris is heavily rumored to be headed to Dallas, and Kelly Olynyk is staying with Toronto. Not a great to the buyout market.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#940 » by jpatrick » Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:28 pm

It doesn’t appear Detroit will waive/buy out Fournier. They’ve already waived enough players that they actually have an open roster spot, and I saw Doogie tweet that it sounds like he’s staying in Detroit.

I don’t see the Gallo fit. He can only defend center, and very poorly at that. I don’t see minutes for him here at center.

What does Joe Harris have left? Once upon a time, he was an elite 3/D. But has been injured the past couple years. Kick the tires there?

I don’t see Curry getting bought out. Right? Am I wrong?

Morris? I can’t see it. He’s more of a big. Unless we really are going to bench Kyle.

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