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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#261 » by Ball4life32 » Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:11 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:From measurements and stats, Trae is a reasonable comparison.

The issue is that 80% of Trae Young is a guy who is playing in China after 4 years and it's not clear Dillingham is good enough at shooting to be close to 100% of Trae Young. Dillingham also hasn't been nearly as good at getting to the line. So if you have a 33% three point shooting Trae Young who is just average at getting to the line... That guy just sucks actually, lol.

The best part of Traes game imo is his passing/playmaking (which you clearly underrate) & Dillingham isn’t even in the same stratosphere as Trae there. Trae’s passing/playmaking is the reason hawks have a top 10 offense 4 years is a row. ….Trae averaged 8.7 apg in college, Dillingham’s career high is 9 assists (which he’s only done twice). Maybe because he only plays 24 mpg but he’s still far behind Trae in per 36…. I don’t really see the comparison at all. Dillingham also looks like a more explosive athlete.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#262 » by HadAnEffectHere » Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:26 pm

Dillingham is a very good passer, he's not Jordan Clarkson, lol.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#263 » by Ball4life32 » Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:28 pm

I never said he was Clarkson or couldn’t pass but he’s not close to Traes level in that regard.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#264 » by HadAnEffectHere » Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:18 pm

These guys are weird in that both could be very good if there's rule changes to reduce offensive players just shoving defenders out of the way. It's not often you see two teammates who are both lottery picks with the exact same weakness.

But for Sheppard in particular, with the current rules, it's hard to see any path for him on defense. He's a great help defender on digs but like... That will just make teams more eager to get a switch where he has to defend their star forward who just bulldozes him to the ground.

Sheppard is just going to get shoved away over and over again by Tatum etc.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#265 » by azcatz11 » Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:33 am

Sheppherd reminds me of Devin booker. Is that a good comp?
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#266 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:35 am

Dillingham can't even stay on the floor against a very average Gonzaga team due to his awful defense. That speaks volumes. Sheppard has been Kentucky's PG (even with Wagner back) and while he's showing signs of being able to do this at the college level, his turnovers and defense have contributed greatly to them losing four of their last six games since he took over the job. Getting a 3 pt attempt blocked today just shows how hard it will be for him to get his shot off at the next level unless he's wide open. Somehow this doesn't deter the draft gurus from suggesting they're potentially top 5 picks though
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#267 » by HadAnEffectHere » Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:52 pm

azcatz11 wrote:Sheppherd reminds me of Devin booker. Is that a good comp?


He obviously idolized Steph growing up and tried to copy his moves so there's some rare Steph stylistic flashes, but he seems mostly like a really short Lonzo Ball (and I don't know how valuable a guy like that would be with the current rules allowing wings to just pummel guards)

When Sheppard was asked to create offense in high school, he shot 29% from three despite being an incredibly elite shooter because the shots he generated were so bad.

He and Dillingham really need rule changes to protect small guards.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#268 » by Hal14 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:08 pm

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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#269 » by Hal14 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:12 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:From measurements and stats, Trae is a reasonable comparison.

The issue is that 80% of Trae Young is a guy who is playing in China after 4 years

What a weird thing to say.

50% of Trae Young is Payton Pritchard. And he's not playing in China. He's the top guard off the bench for the best team in the NBA.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#270 » by HadAnEffectHere » Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:14 pm

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Literally every of these plays is a straight line drive to the basket against someone not paying attention other than one very slow cross-over.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#271 » by HadAnEffectHere » Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:16 pm

Hal14 wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:From measurements and stats, Trae is a reasonable comparison.

The issue is that 80% of Trae Young is a guy who is playing in China after 4 years

What a weird thing to say.

50% of Trae Young is Payton Pritchard. And he's not playing in China. He's the top guard off the bench for the best team in the NBA.


Pritchard weighs 30 pounds more than Dillingham and Trae Young, is this a joke.

The issue with Dillingham isn't just that he's short, it's that he's short and his frame looks completely maxed out at 172 pounds.

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Where on his frame is the extra weight beyond 172 pounds supposed to go?

He's just going to get shoved to the ground over and over again unless there's rule changes to protect him and Trae Young and other slight players.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#272 » by Hal14 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:18 pm

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HadAnEffectHere wrote:From measurements and stats, Trae is a reasonable comparison.

The issue is that 80% of Trae Young is a guy who is playing in China after 4 years and it's not clear Dillingham is good enough at shooting to be close to 100% of Trae Young. Dillingham also hasn't been nearly as good at getting to the line. So if you have a 33% three point shooting Trae Young who is just average at getting to the line... That guy just sucks actually, lol.

The best part of Traes game imo is his passing/playmaking (which you clearly underrate) & Dillingham isn’t even in the same stratosphere as Trae there. Trae’s passing/playmaking is the reason hawks have a top 10 offense 4 years is a row. ….Trae averaged 8.7 apg in college, Dillingham’s career high is 9 assists (which he’s only done twice). Maybe because he only plays 24 mpg but he’s still far behind Trae in per 36…. I don’t really see the comparison at all. Dillingham also looks like a more explosive athlete.

Darius Garland is a better comp for Dillingham than Trae..

Rob has some Steph to him (the size, the play style..) but obviously is not going to be a top 10 player of all-time, that's not realistic but even a poor man's Steph, Garland-type of guy is a top 5 pick in a draft that's this weak..
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#273 » by Hal14 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:20 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
HadAnEffectHere wrote:From measurements and stats, Trae is a reasonable comparison.

The issue is that 80% of Trae Young is a guy who is playing in China after 4 years

What a weird thing to say.

50% of Trae Young is Payton Pritchard. And he's not playing in China. He's the top guard off the bench for the best team in the NBA.


Pritchard weighs 30 pounds more than Dillingham and Trae Young, is this a joke.

The issue with Dillingham isn't just that he's short, it's that he's short and his frame looks completely maxed out at 172 pounds.

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Where on his frame is the extra weight beyond 172 pounds supposed to go?

He's just going to get shoved to the ground over and over again unless there's rule changes to protect him and Trae Young and other slight players.

I said nothing about anybody's weight so that's another weird post.

All I meant was if Trae is half as good as he is, he'd be payton Pritchard.

Again, I said nothing about anybody's weight..was only talking about their basketball ability.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#274 » by HadAnEffectHere » Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:22 pm

The issue is that you're going to be Trae Young bad defensively if you're this light and unless you're incredibly elite at offense, you're just not valuable in the NBA.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#275 » by MemphisX » Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:34 pm

Mike Conley was 5'11 barefoot and 175 lbs when drafted. Y'all have zero concept about height and weight in the league.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#276 » by HadAnEffectHere » Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:39 pm

MemphisX wrote:Mike Conley was 5'11 barefoot and 175 lbs when drafted. Y'all have zero concept about height and weight in the league.


If Dillingham can put on another 15 pounds without losing any athleticism, maybe he can be serviceable on defense.

But it just doesn't look super likely based on his body.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#277 » by EvanZ » Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:51 pm

We need measurements. And we'll get them. I have no idea if Dillingham is 6', 6'1", 6'2" or 6'3". Also heard he has super short arms.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#278 » by HadAnEffectHere » Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:58 pm

EvanZ wrote:We need measurements. And we'll get them. I have no idea if Dillingham is 6', 6'1", 6'2" or 6'3". Also heard he has super short arms.


I mean, we'll see, Keyonte George ducked the measurements last year because his arms were short, lol.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#279 » by EvanZ » Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:11 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
EvanZ wrote:We need measurements. And we'll get them. I have no idea if Dillingham is 6', 6'1", 6'2" or 6'3". Also heard he has super short arms.


I mean, we'll see, Keyonte George ducked the measurements last year because his arms were short, lol.


They can't do that anymore. New rules. Everyone gets measured.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#280 » by Hal14 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:12 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
MemphisX wrote:Mike Conley was 5'11 barefoot and 175 lbs when drafted. Y'all have zero concept about height and weight in the league.


If Dillingham can put on another 15 pounds without losing any athleticism, maybe he can be serviceable on defense.

But it just doesn't look super likely based on his body.

Jose Alvarado measured 5'11" barefoot and 175 lbs prior to the draft, and is one of the better guard defenders in the league.

Pritchard is 195 lbs but isn't nearly as good on defense as Alvarado.

You're reading too deeply into weight.

Also, most players gain at least 10-20 lbs after entering the league due to the program that NBA teams put guys in when it comes to their diet/nutrition, their strength and conditioning, weight training programs, the supplements they take, etc.
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