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Re: Buyout/Free Agent Thread, 2023-24 

Post#1541 » by Mr_Mojo_Risin » Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:58 am

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Celts17Pride wrote:I’m guessing it’s between Gallo and Thad Young but with Brad Stevens who knows?

If they don't think any vet can help, I wouldn't be against taking a swing at Hayes if coaches think he won't be a locker room problem and they can turn him into a passable shooter. In the same way getting Springer with some experience may help going forward as a second apron team, Hayes is a decent enough passer and good defender to give it a shot.

Like others have said, I highly doubt Stevens will be picking up a young player eager to prove themselves. Celtics want someone willing to play a limited role

I don't think it's likely, but think it's worth doing if no vet is considered worthwhile.
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Re: Buyout/Free Agent Thread, 2023-24 

Post#1542 » by Rangeman » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:41 am

People, you should know Brad by now. He will not sign just anyone for the sake of signing one. There is nobody on the list of bought out that Brad, to my mind, likes. He is just taking time to sign Queta as the 15th guy.
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Post#1543 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:37 am

Rangeman wrote:People, you should know Brad by now. He will not sign just anyone for the sake of signing one. There is nobody on the list of bought out that Brad, to my mind, likes. He is just taking time to sign Queta as the 15th guy.

Fair that Brad won't sign anyone. We did go into last playoffs with just 14 guys. Our resident vets Muscala and Griffin barely played in the playoffs. I don't think Queta gets signed to a regular contract either after the Tillman trade. If we sign him now, it just doesn't make much sense to waste a year of the contract esp since we can only sign him to two years IINM. And he won't even play in the postseason with four bigs already on the roster.
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Re: Buyout/Free Agent Thread, 2023-24 

Post#1544 » by Fierce1 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:25 am

If the Celts don't sign Queta to a regular contract, Cs might lose him to another team in the offseason.
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Post#1545 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:42 am

Fierce1 wrote:If the Celts don't sign Queta to a regular contract, Cs might lose him to another team in the offseason.

He's RFA. Cs can just match. If some team wants to overpay, good for ya, Neemy, byeeee!
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Post#1546 » by Fierce1 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:00 pm

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Fierce1 wrote:If the Celts don't sign Queta to a regular contract, Cs might lose him to another team in the offseason.

He's RFA. Cs can just match. If some team wants to overpay, good for ya, Neemy, byeeee!

I think Cs are better off converting Queta.

It would be such a waste if the Cs lose him in free-agency.

Queta has the potential to become starter material.
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Post#1547 » by Hal14 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:03 pm

Fierce1 wrote:It would be such a waste if the Cs lose him in free-agency.

Queta has the potential to become starter material.

Queta will be 25 this summer, is in his 3rd NBA season..all 3 seasons he's been on a 2-way..has yet to play 25 NBA games in a season.

It's highly unlikely he will end up being a starter in the NBA.
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Re: Buyout/Free Agent Thread, 2023-24 

Post#1548 » by Fierce1 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:13 pm

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Fierce1 wrote:It would be such a waste if the Cs lose him in free-agency.

Queta has the potential to become starter material.

Queta will be 25 this summer, is in his 3rd NBA season..all 3 seasons he's been on a 2-way..has yet to play 2 NBA games in a season.

It's highly unlikely he will end up being a starter in the NBA.

Usually big men takes more time to develop.

I think he can become like Capela.

But that's just potential.
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Re: Buyout/Free Agent Thread, 2023-24 

Post#1549 » by Hal14 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:25 pm

Pros of Thaddeus Young
This team could use another guy who can bring some leadership, imo. A guy who has been there, done that, can bring an outside perspective from battling against this Celtics team for awhile and then becoming part of it now.

And someone who is also hungry to finally win a championship after all these years so he is motivated to contribute (both on the floor and off it).

https://www.complex.com/sports/a/oren-weisfeld/thad-young-feature

The 33-year-old veteran with 14 years of NBA experience across seven teams doesn’t worry about individual accolades. Instead, “the biggest thing I pay attention to is wins and losses,” Young says. “At the end of the day, are we winning basketball games? Are we losing basketball games? And if we are losing, how can we win basketball games?”

“That’s what I’ve always tried to do: try to put my imprint on the game and do all the small things that don’t show up on the stat sheet.”

“Bringing in a player like Thaddeus Young, we wanted a veteran-type player, bird rights-type player that can come and help our young guys both in the locker room and on the court,” Raptors president Masai Ujiri said after the trade. “The leadership off the court is significant: Thaddeus brings so much energy, good spirit.

“Thaddeus is a known commodity around the NBA. For us, we’ve followed him for a while. We’ve made a few attempts to get him via trade in prior years. We felt like this was a good situation where we’re bringing him into Toronto,” Webster said. “I think he’s a high-level professional, obviously, just being in this league for this long. He’s developed into a leader.”

Young has two sons: 8-year-old Taylor and 11-year-old T.J., who both play basketball themselves. He owns a trucking company and is very passionate about financial education, starting his own venture capital firm, Reform Ventures, in 2017, where he invests primarily in technology companies.

“[Thad] was a wonderful, wonderful teammate. Everybody enjoyed him,” San Antonio Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich said after the trade. “He’s one of those vets that is a pro, knows what it’s all about. Is willing to help others, teach them. Good guy.”

“He’s got a good name. Good clean vet. Professional,” Raptors’ point guard Fred VanVleet said about Young. “Just a good guy to have around, regardless of what the on-court play will look like. He’s a stamped guy in terms of what he brings to the table in this league. He’s been doing it for a long time.”

As VanVleet says, “I think he can be a great voice for us. He can share some insight, share some different things that he’s seen. He’s definitely seen a lot and been on some good teams.


https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/news/thaddeus-young-bringing-veteran-leadership-to-bulls/363431/

This Celtics team only has 2 guys who have turned 30 (Al, Jrue). Championship winning teams typically have more than that. Championship winning teams typically have more vets..and less guys who are only like 25, 26 or younger. Younger teams with less experienced players are teams which typically play with less consistency, are more likely to play down to their opponent's level, more likely to have mental lapses during games, more likely to come out in the 1st half looking unprepared for the game, more likely to come out flat in the 3rd quarter, more likely to choke in crunch time, etc.

Cons of Thaddeus Young:
-A little bit of overlap with Tillman. Both high IQ players who don't need the ball in their hands on offense. They just play smart, fundamental basketball, team basketball. Don't provide much in terms of shooting to scoring off the dribble. Defensively can defend bigs as well as wings. Versatile defender, smart defender, doesn't commit dumb fouls or overhelp but not much of a rim protector.

Bottom line, there some overlap there..especially being undersized bigs who don't shoot or create their own shot. But still, Young is a vet who you count count on, won't mess anything up in a playoff game if he's in there for a few mins. And someone else who brings similar things to Tillman might not be a bad idea, in case Tillman's knee injury lingers.
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Re: Buyout/Free Agent Thread, 2023-24 

Post#1550 » by Hal14 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:27 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:It would be such a waste if the Cs lose him in free-agency.

Queta has the potential to become starter material.

Queta will be 25 this summer, is in his 3rd NBA season..all 3 seasons he's been on a 2-way..has yet to play 2 NBA games in a season.

It's highly unlikely he will end up being a starter in the NBA.

Usually big men takes more time to develop.

I think he can become like Capela.

But that's just potential.

They very rarely take *that* much time to develop.

Capela has been a starter since his 2nd NBA season, at age 21.
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Re: Buyout/Free Agent Thread, 2023-24 

Post#1551 » by Fierce1 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:53 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Queta will be 25 this summer, is in his 3rd NBA season..all 3 seasons he's been on a 2-way..has yet to play 2 NBA games in a season.

It's highly unlikely he will end up being a starter in the NBA.

Usually big men takes more time to develop.

I think he can become like Capela.

But that's just potential.

They very rarely take *that* much time to develop.

Capela has been a starter since his 2nd NBA season, at age 21.

Took Perk 4 seasons to finally become a legit starter.
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Post#1552 » by Hal14 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:02 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Usually big men takes more time to develop.

I think he can become like Capela.

But that's just potential.

They very rarely take *that* much time to develop.

Capela has been a starter since his 2nd NBA season, at age 21.

Took Perk 4 seasons to finally become a legit starter.

Perk started 40 games (and played in 68 games total) in his 3rd season, at age 21.

Queta is 24 and has yet to play in 25 games in a season. He's not a starter and is still on a 2-way.
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Re: Buyout/Free Agent Thread, 2023-24 

Post#1553 » by Fierce1 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:11 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:They very rarely take *that* much time to develop.

Capela has been a starter since his 2nd NBA season, at age 21.

Took Perk 4 seasons to finally become a legit starter.

Perk started 40 games (and played in 68 games total) in his 3rd season, at age 21.

Queta is 24 and has yet to play in 25 games in a season. He's not a starter and is still on a 2-way.

There was no 2-way contracts back then.

I just don't see the harm in converting Queta.

But it's true Brad is still waiting what the buyout market will make available.

If Brad does not get anything from the buyout market, I think Queta gets converted.
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Post#1554 » by RickyDizzle » Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:24 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Took Perk 4 seasons to finally become a legit starter.

Perk started 40 games (and played in 68 games total) in his 3rd season, at age 21.

Queta is 24 and has yet to play in 25 games in a season. He's not a starter and is still on a 2-way.

There was no 2-way contracts back then.

I just don't see the harm in converting Queta.

But it's true Brad is still waiting what the buyout market will make available.

If Brad does not get anything from the buyout market, I think Queta gets converted.


Becoming a starter seems far-fetched to me for Queta. But he absolutely can be in a rotation on a good team. Are there contract implications of signing him now versus later? Or just that now we have no competition and later we will.

I think horford retires either after this year or after next. If we could sign Queta after this season to a minimum 3 year deal, that should be at least two seasons where he plays a decent amount post-Horford. Is another team going to sign him for more than the minimum?

As far as buy out guys, I don't see any minutes for Gallo or Thad Young. Injuries can happen, but if healthy, for the 4 and 5, we have Tatum, KP, Horford, Tillman, Kornet, and Queta. I think Gallo would slot in after Tillman and Young likely after Kornet. The first 4 guys will easy take the 96 playoff minutes, so no point really.

If delon Wright becomes available get him. If not, we could sign Corey Joseph or just convert Queta. I think a guard defender off the bench is biggest need left though.
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Post#1555 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:31 pm

RickyDizzle wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Perk started 40 games (and played in 68 games total) in his 3rd season, at age 21.

Queta is 24 and has yet to play in 25 games in a season. He's not a starter and is still on a 2-way.

There was no 2-way contracts back then.

I just don't see the harm in converting Queta.

But it's true Brad is still waiting what the buyout market will make available.

If Brad does not get anything from the buyout market, I think Queta gets converted.


Becoming a starter seems far-fetched to me for Queta. But he absolutely can be in a rotation on a good team. Are there contract implications of signing him now versus later? Or just that now we have no competition and later we will.

I think horford retires either after this year or after next. If we could sign Queta after this season to a minimum 3 year deal, that should be at least two seasons where he plays a decent amount post-Horford. Is another team going to sign him for more than the minimum?

As far as buy out guys, I don't see any minutes for Gallo or Thad Young. Injuries can happen, but if healthy, for the 4 and 5, we have Tatum, KP, Horford, Tillman, Kornet, and Queta. I think Gallo would slot in after Tillman and Young likely after Kornet. The first 4 guys will easy take the 96 playoff minutes, so no point really.

If delon Wright becomes available get him. If not, we could sign Corey Joseph or just convert Queta. I think a guard defender off the bench is biggest need left though.

Fair points but given the history of Porzingis, Horford and Tillman, I still would add big man depth. Springer can give you 5 minutes as a defensive wing. Remember, Queta will not be available for the playoffs.
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Post#1556 » by RickyDizzle » Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:42 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
RickyDizzle wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:There was no 2-way contracts back then.

I just don't see the harm in converting Queta.

But it's true Brad is still waiting what the buyout market will make available.

If Brad does not get anything from the buyout market, I think Queta gets converted.


Becoming a starter seems far-fetched to me for Queta. But he absolutely can be in a rotation on a good team. Are there contract implications of signing him now versus later? Or just that now we have no competition and later we will.

I think horford retires either after this year or after next. If we could sign Queta after this season to a minimum 3 year deal, that should be at least two seasons where he plays a decent amount post-Horford. Is another team going to sign him for more than the minimum?

As far as buy out guys, I don't see any minutes for Gallo or Thad Young. Injuries can happen, but if healthy, for the 4 and 5, we have Tatum, KP, Horford, Tillman, Kornet, and Queta. I think Gallo would slot in after Tillman and Young likely after Kornet. The first 4 guys will easy take the 96 playoff minutes, so no point really.

If delon Wright becomes available get him. If not, we could sign Corey Joseph or just convert Queta. I think a guard defender off the bench is biggest need left though.

Fair points but given the history of Porzingis, Horford and Tillman, I still would add big man depth. Springer can give you 5 minutes as a defensive wing. Remember, Queta will not be available for the playoffs.


If KP is hurt. We're kind of screwed. If both he and Al are hurt, we're definitely screwed. But if KP misses just a couple games, Al starts, Tatum plays 4 more and you have to give Tillman/Kornet some burn. If Al is out, you play Tatum more at the 4, ramp Tillman up a bit, and maybe play Kornet.

I think we're generally okay to cover an injury. If 2 or 3 guys are out, that's a different story, but no team is deep enough to lose 2 or 3 key guys at the same position and keep on chugging.

I'm not opposed to converting Queta anyway, just think Pritchard as the only bench guard, could be the position where we wish we had a better defensive option to try in the playoffs.
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Post#1557 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:48 pm

In my opinion the perfect buyout guy is Gallo. Gallo at this point in his career kind of plays like Porzingis-lite. A 6'10" guy who can post up, pass and stretch the floor. Problem is Gallo is going to want playing time and that won't be here in Boston. I put his coming to Boston at about 5% probability. Would be a nice option if Porzingis gets hurt for a short period of time because of his size and shooting.
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Post#1558 » by Dogen » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:12 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:In my opinion the perfect buyout guy is Gallo. Gallo at this point in his career kind of plays like Porzingis-lite. A 6'10" guy who can post up, pass and stretch the floor. Problem is Gallo is going to want playing time and that won't be here in Boston. I put his coming to Boston at about 5% probability. Would be a nice option if Porzingis gets hurt for a short period of time because of his size and shooting.


There are two guys that have been in the rumors for buyout, C Osman and D Wright. I'd be happy if one of them filled that spot.

If Gallo wants to be here, I'd be fine with that. I think he will make a quick decision and end up elsewhere though.

After that, I'd give the nod to just signing Queta.

So generally, in order of preferred outcome: Osman, Wright, Gallo, Queta, T Young, D House. I'm not sure if those last two would bring much, but Young would be a nice locker room presence. If he has game left he could move up that list but I have followed him at all.
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Re: Buyout/Free Agent Thread, 2023-24 

Post#1559 » by Hal14 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:23 pm

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Becoming a starter seems far-fetched to me for Queta. But he absolutely can be in a rotation on a good team. Are there contract implications of signing him now versus later? Or just that now we have no competition and later we will.

I think horford retires either after this year or after next. If we could sign Queta after this season to a minimum 3 year deal, that should be at least two seasons where he plays a decent amount post-Horford. Is another team going to sign him for more than the minimum?

As far as buy out guys, I don't see any minutes for Gallo or Thad Young. Injuries can happen, but if healthy, for the 4 and 5, we have Tatum, KP, Horford, Tillman, Kornet, and Queta. I think Gallo would slot in after Tillman and Young likely after Kornet. The first 4 guys will easy take the 96 playoff minutes, so no point really.

If delon Wright becomes available get him. If not, we could sign Corey Joseph or just convert Queta. I think a guard defender off the bench is biggest need left though.

Fair points but given the history of Porzingis, Horford and Tillman, I still would add big man depth. Springer can give you 5 minutes as a defensive wing. Remember, Queta will not be available for the playoffs.


If KP is hurt. We're kind of screwed. If both he and Al are hurt, we're definitely screwed. But if KP misses just a couple games, Al starts, Tatum plays 4 more and you have to give Tillman/Kornet some burn. If Al is out, you play Tatum more at the 4, ramp Tillman up a bit, and maybe play Kornet.

I think we're generally okay to cover an injury. If 2 or 3 guys are out, that's a different story, but no team is deep enough to lose 2 or 3 key guys at the same position and keep on chugging.

I'm not opposed to converting Queta anyway, just think Pritchard as the only bench guard, could be the position where we wish we had a better defensive option to try in the playoffs.

Agreed with most of that..but as for the bold part, that's what we got Springer for.

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Re: Buyout/Free Agent Thread, 2023-24 

Post#1560 » by Hal14 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:32 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:In my opinion the perfect buyout guy is Gallo. Gallo at this point in his career kind of plays like Porzingis-lite. A 6'10" guy who can post up, pass and stretch the floor. Problem is Gallo is going to want playing time and that won't be here in Boston. I put his coming to Boston at about 5% probability. Would be a nice option if Porzingis gets hurt for a short period of time because of his size and shooting.

Idk..

If Porzingis was 4-5 inches shorter than he actually is, he wouldn't be as good. A lot of what makes him so good is his ability to shoot over the top of anyone. See over the top of the defense to make reads, score over the top of smaller defenders because he's 7'2"/7'3". That height also allows him to better block shots, get rebounds, dunk on dude's heads, catch lobs, etc.

If KP was only 6'10" and if he was 35 yrs old, coming off his 2nd torn ACL and played zero defense, Idk if any team would want him.

Gallo could give us some front court depth and could help on offense. But there's a strong chance that he would be unplayable defensively in the playoffs.
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