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[MiamiLoyal926]

Go back and read brother!

Here are the facts:

The Cavaliers sent Lauri Markkanen, Ochai Agbaji (that summers #14 pick), and Collin Sexton + three unprotected first-round picks (2025, 2027 and 2029) and two pick swaps (2026 and 2028) for Mitchell.

For us, we maybe would have been able to muster up at best the same number of draft picks. Assuming the Jazz considered our picks equal to the Cavs, but the reality is that our picks are viewed as worse.

So the real tangible difference maker was our best package of players out of this crop:

Bam
Jimmy
Herro (Considered nearly equal in skill to Herro then on a cheaper contract)
Lowry(only 1 year since trade)
Oladipo
Robinson (considered a negative asset then)
Jovic (that summers #27 pick)
Dedmond (Just signed so untradable)
UD
Martín (Just signed so untradable)
Highsmith (an unknown G Leaguer)
Max Strus (gained value after that summer)
Gabe Vincent (gained value after that summer)
Yurtseven
+other GLeaguers / 2-way contracts

What player package can you muster up that was beating the Cavs offer?

At that point in time Herro and Jovic beat that player package, especially when you factor in Ainges love for Herro. Throw Dipo in if you have to. Also had 2nd round picks that I believe could’ve been sent to OKC at that time to remove protections and unlock another pick.

Again; Lauri was a mid tier role player when sent to Utah, sexton showed no impact to winning at all and his advanced numbers were terrible while he was also coming off a season long injury that kept him out all year. Herro was coming off 6MOY as a 1st seed that was 1 shot away from the finals.

Mitchell thought he was coming here, had we not stubbornly believed Herro was anywhere near the same stratosphere as a player like Mitchell he likely would be.

We did have to send OKC something just to lift restrictions to allow us to match the pick package from the Cavs. Not what you are implying. We had no way to give a better pick package. Absolutely no way.

Also, how do you figure that Jovic was a better offer than the #14 draft pick from the same draft?

So according to you, Herro and #27 pick Jovic was better than Sexton, #14 pick and Lauri? Many saw Sexton as nearly the same level player as Herro for half the price. And Lauri had good value compared to most of any other player on our roster other than player we could not our should not trade.

You are so caught up in wanting to push your propaganda that you rather ignore the facts. It’s dumbfounding, really.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Here are the facts:

The Cavaliers sent Lauri Markkanen, Ochai Agbaji (that summers #14 pick), and Collin Sexton + three unprotected first-round picks (2025, 2027 and 2029) and two pick swaps (2026 and 2028) for Mitchell.

For us, we maybe would have been able to muster up at best the same number of draft picks. Assuming the Jazz considered our picks equal to the Cavs, but the reality is that our picks are viewed as worse.

So the real tangible difference maker was our best package of players out of this crop:

Bam
Jimmy
Herro (Considered nearly equal in skill to Herro then on a cheaper contract)
Lowry(only 1 year since trade)
Oladipo
Robinson (considered a negative asset then)
Jovic (that summers #27 pick)
Dedmond (Just signed so untradable)
UD
Martín (Just signed so untradable)
Highsmith (an unknown G Leaguer)
Max Strus (gained value after that summer)
Gabe Vincent (gained value after that summer)
Yurtseven
+other GLeaguers / 2-way contracts

What player package can you muster up that was beating the Cavs offer?

At that point in time Herro and Jovic beat that player package, especially when you factor in Ainges love for Herro. Throw Dipo in if you have to. Also had 2nd round picks that I believe could’ve been sent to OKC at that time to remove protections and unlock another pick.

Again; Lauri was a mid tier role player when sent to Utah, sexton showed no impact to winning at all and his advanced numbers were terrible while he was also coming off a season long injury that kept him out all year. Herro was coming off 6MOY as a 1st seed that was 1 shot away from the finals.

Mitchell thought he was coming here, had we not stubbornly believed Herro was anywhere near the same stratosphere as a player like Mitchell he likely would be.

We did have to send OKC something just to lift restrictions to allow us to match the pick package from the Cavs. Not what you are implying. We had no way to give a better pick package. Absolutely no way.

Also, how do you figure that Jovic was a better offer than the #14 draft pick from the same draft?

So according to you, Herro and #27 pick Jovic was better than Sexton, #14 pick and Lauri? Many saw Sexton as nearly the same level player as Herro for half the price. And Lauri had good value compared to most of any other player on our roster other than player we could not our should not trade.

You are so caught up in wanting to push your propaganda that you rather ignore the facts. It’s dumbfounding, really.

They did not view sexton that way and Lauri was not viewed in that light lol revisionist history. Let’s hope they don’t mess it up next time. Again, Mitchell thought he would be here, Bam thought he was coming but in the end the stubborn FO was only willing to part with 1 1st not even Ainges love for Herro could let him accept a Pat Riley fleecing when it came to the picks.

Also, you could’ve easily argued the Cavs picks would be worse than ours in the future due to the Cavs young core of Garland Mitchell Mobley and Allen compared to just Bam and Mitchell.

[MiamiLoyal926]

At that point in time Herro and Jovic beat that player package, especially when you factor in Ainges love for Herro. Throw Dipo in if you have to. Also had 2nd round picks that I believe could’ve been sent to OKC at that time to remove protections and unlock another pick.

Again; Lauri was a mid tier role player when sent to Utah, sexton showed no impact to winning at all and his advanced numbers were terrible while he was also coming off a season long injury that kept him out all year. Herro was coming off 6MOY as a 1st seed that was 1 shot away from the finals.

Mitchell thought he was coming here, had we not stubbornly believed Herro was anywhere near the same stratosphere as a player like Mitchell he likely would be.

We did have to send OKC something just to lift restrictions to allow us to match the pick package from the Cavs. Not what you are implying. We had no way to give a better pick package. Absolutely no way.

Also, how do you figure that Jovic was a better offer than the #14 draft pick from the same draft?

So according to you, Herro and #27 pick Jovic was better than Sexton, #14 pick and Lauri? Many saw Sexton as nearly the same level player as Herro for half the price. And Lauri had good value compared to most of any other player on our roster other than player we could not our should not trade.

You are so caught up in wanting to push your propaganda that you rather ignore the facts. It’s dumbfounding, really.

They did not view sexton that way and Lauri was not viewed in that light lol revisionist history. Let’s hope they don’t mess it up next time. Again, Mitchell thought he would be here, Bam thought he was coming but in the end the stubborn FO was only willing to part with 1 1st not even Ainges love for Herro could let him accept a Pat Riley fleecing when it came to the picks.

Also, you could’ve easily argued the Cavs picks would be worse than ours in the future due to the Cavs young core of Garland Mitchell Mobley and Allen compared to just Bam and Mitchell.

Revisionist history nothing brotha!! I literally read through the board then before posting this. As for the Cavs picks being worse… everyone expected/expects Mitchell to bolt when the contract is up… meaning those picks would increase in value as the Cavs would be left without their superstar acquisition… unlike the Heat which would have been favored to keep him long term.

Careful brother… your bias and propaganda is blatantly showing. Need to be slicker if you want to be believable.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We did have to send OKC something just to lift restrictions to allow us to match the pick package from the Cavs. Not what you are implying. We had no way to give a better pick package. Absolutely no way.

Also, how do you figure that Jovic was a better offer than the #14 draft pick from the same draft?

So according to you, Herro and #27 pick Jovic was better than Sexton, #14 pick and Lauri? Many saw Sexton as nearly the same level player as Herro for half the price. And Lauri had good value compared to most of any other player on our roster other than player we could not our should not trade.

You are so caught up in wanting to push your propaganda that you rather ignore the facts. It’s dumbfounding, really.

They did not view sexton that way and Lauri was not viewed in that light lol revisionist history. Let’s hope they don’t mess it up next time. Again, Mitchell thought he would be here, Bam thought he was coming but in the end the stubborn FO was only willing to part with 1 1st not even Ainges love for Herro could let him accept a Pat Riley fleecing when it came to the picks.

Also, you could’ve easily argued the Cavs picks would be worse than ours in the future due to the Cavs young core of Garland Mitchell Mobley and Allen compared to just Bam and Mitchell.

Revisionist history nothing brotha!! I literally read through the board then before posting this. As for the Cavs picks being worse… everyone expected/expects Mitchell to bolt when the contract is up… meaning those picks would increase in value as the Cavs would be left without their superstar acquisition… unlike the Heat which would have been favored to keep him long term.

Careful brother… your bias and propaganda is blatantly showing. Need to be slicker if you want to be believable.

Hey brother, tell yourself whatever you need to feel better about another epic blunder from the FO, it doesn’t matter to me. I just want you to be happy! Hopefully they step up to the plate this summer/next season when he’s available and don’t fuxk around again

[MiamiLoyal926]

They did not view sexton that way and Lauri was not viewed in that light lol revisionist history. Let’s hope they don’t mess it up next time. Again, Mitchell thought he would be here, Bam thought he was coming but in the end the stubborn FO was only willing to part with 1 1st not even Ainges love for Herro could let him accept a Pat Riley fleecing when it came to the picks.

Also, you could’ve easily argued the Cavs picks would be worse than ours in the future due to the Cavs young core of Garland Mitchell Mobley and Allen compared to just Bam and Mitchell.

Revisionist history nothing brotha!! I literally read through the board then before posting this. As for the Cavs picks being worse… everyone expected/expects Mitchell to bolt when the contract is up… meaning those picks would increase in value as the Cavs would be left without their superstar acquisition… unlike the Heat which would have been favored to keep him long term.

Careful brother… your bias and propaganda is blatantly showing. Need to be slicker if you want to be believable.

Hey brother, tell yourself whatever you need to feel better about another epic blunder from the FO, it doesn’t matter to me. I just want you to be happy! Hopefully they step up to the plate this summer/next season when he’s available and don’t fuxk around again

Trust me… I am a huge DM fan and was really bummed about that one over all the other “blunders”. With that being said, I have appreciated the asset management since the DM miss. We clearly fell short in assets to beat another offer and would hope we are not in that situation again.

I am cool with the Beal choice. KD wanted the suns over us. Dame was rooster blocked by Cronin.

I am still hoping for DM as he has been my top target over all of those aforementioned players… but do worry that with the Rozier trade, we again dropped our asset capital enough to not have enough firepower… which was the same issue last time. Hopefully being an impending FA means he has pull to go where he wants… hopefully he wants Mia over NYC.

P.S. I do not need to tell myself anything as this isn’t that critical in my life to merit me needing to convince myself of anything. I just use the facts to analyze and weigh in. Period.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Revisionist history nothing brotha!! I literally read through the board then before posting this. As for the Cavs picks being worse… everyone expected/expects Mitchell to bolt when the contract is up… meaning those picks would increase in value as the Cavs would be left without their superstar acquisition… unlike the Heat which would have been favored to keep him long term.

Careful brother… your bias and propaganda is blatantly showing. Need to be slicker if you want to be believable.

Hey brother, tell yourself whatever you need to feel better about another epic blunder from the FO, it doesn’t matter to me. I just want you to be happy! Hopefully they step up to the plate this summer/next season when he’s available and don’t fuxk around again

Trust me… I am a huge DM fan and was really bummed about that one over all the other “blunders”. With that being said, I have appreciated the asset management since the DM miss. We clearly fell short in assets to beat another offer and would hope we are not in that situation again.

I am cool with the Beal choice. KD wanted the suns over us. Dame was rooster blocked by Cronin.

I am still hoping for DM as he has been my top target over all of those aforementioned players… but do worry that with the Rozier trade, we again dropped our asset capital enough to not have enough firepower… which was the same issue last time. Hopefully being an impending FA means he has pull to go where he wants… hopefully he wants Mia over NYC.

I think he will hold alot of power over his decision due to being a FA like you said and maybe it’s the homer in me but his best fit is here. In NY him and Brunson do literally the same thing, Mitchell just does it at a higher level, they will neuter each other especially with Randle chucking. Nets don’t make sense winning wise. Here he can be with his best friend, fill a major need we have for an elite 3 level scorer and follow his idol Wades footsteps who is also hopefully in his ear.

Rozier Herro and 2 1sts is a good alternative to him walking for nothing, I threw in Rozier because imo DM plays his best basketball when he’s at PG but I’ll gladly keep him too, I just know we’re going to have to shed money somewhere and Duncan is the perfect fit at the 2.

DM
Duncan
Jimmy
Jovic
Bam

IF it gets into a bidding war, Jaime and/or Jovic playing well to end this season will help us asset wise. If you can get DM Jimmy and Bam together you do what it takes and let the rest fall in place.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Hey brother, tell yourself whatever you need to feel better about another epic blunder from the FO, it doesn’t matter to me. I just want you to be happy! Hopefully they step up to the plate this summer/next season when he’s available and don’t fuxk around again

Trust me… I am a huge DM fan and was really bummed about that one over all the other “blunders”. With that being said, I have appreciated the asset management since the DM miss. We clearly fell short in assets to beat another offer and would hope we are not in that situation again.

I am cool with the Beal choice. KD wanted the suns over us. Dame was rooster blocked by Cronin.

I am still hoping for DM as he has been my top target over all of those aforementioned players… but do worry that with the Rozier trade, we again dropped our asset capital enough to not have enough firepower… which was the same issue last time. Hopefully being an impending FA means he has pull to go where he wants… hopefully he wants Mia over NYC.

I think he will hold alot of power over his decision due to being a FA like you said and maybe it’s the homer in me but his best fit is here. In NY him and Brunson do literally the same thing, Mitchell just does it at a higher level, they will neuter each other especially with Randle chucking. Nets don’t make sense winning wise. Here he can be with his best friend, fill a major need we have for an elite 3 level scorer and follow his idol Wades footsteps who is also hopefully in his ear.

Rozier Herro and 2 1sts is a good alternative to him walking for nothing, I threw in Rozier because imo DM plays his best basketball when he’s at PG but I’ll gladly keep him too, I just know we’re going to have to shed money somewhere and Duncan is the perfect fit at the 2.

DM
Duncan
Jimmy
Jovic
Bam

IF it gets into a bidding war, Jaime and/or Jovic playing well to end this season will help us asset wise. If you can get DM Jimmy and Bam together you do what it takes and let the rest fall in place.

DM is my all in player… don’t ask me why I like him so much… maybe it’s the Wade-esque in him, but he is the one player I would have emptied the cupboard for. This time around, I hope we can get something done.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Trust me… I am a huge DM fan and was really bummed about that one over all the other “blunders”. With that being said, I have appreciated the asset management since the DM miss. We clearly fell short in assets to beat another offer and would hope we are not in that situation again.

I am cool with the Beal choice. KD wanted the suns over us. Dame was rooster blocked by Cronin.

I am still hoping for DM as he has been my top target over all of those aforementioned players… but do worry that with the Rozier trade, we again dropped our asset capital enough to not have enough firepower… which was the same issue last time. Hopefully being an impending FA means he has pull to go where he wants… hopefully he wants Mia over NYC.

I think he will hold alot of power over his decision due to being a FA like you said and maybe it’s the homer in me but his best fit is here. In NY him and Brunson do literally the same thing, Mitchell just does it at a higher level, they will neuter each other especially with Randle chucking. Nets don’t make sense winning wise. Here he can be with his best friend, fill a major need we have for an elite 3 level scorer and follow his idol Wades footsteps who is also hopefully in his ear.

Rozier Herro and 2 1sts is a good alternative to him walking for nothing, I threw in Rozier because imo DM plays his best basketball when he’s at PG but I’ll gladly keep him too, I just know we’re going to have to shed money somewhere and Duncan is the perfect fit at the 2.

DM
Duncan
Jimmy
Jovic
Bam

IF it gets into a bidding war, Jaime and/or Jovic playing well to end this season will help us asset wise. If you can get DM Jimmy and Bam together you do what it takes and let the rest fall in place.

DM is my all in player… don’t ask me why I like him so much… maybe it’s the Wade-esque in him, but he is the one player I would have emptied the cupboard for. This time around, I hope we can get something done.

Same, if we land him I can finally rest in peace on the Dane fiasco lol. Mitchell has taken a leap this year, specifically on defense and he has had a massive impact on winning. Stay tuned.

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He is gonna find out there is a difference between him and Draymond.

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He is gonna find out there is a difference between him and Draymond.

i wonder what made him do that though

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You see how the Warriors all backed up their guy? Kuminga came over and shoved Plumlee for his punk antics. Take notes, that’s what a team that isn’t soft looks like!

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[Wiltside]

Damn, Precious with a 23/14/5 game? Wild

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Hornets trade Rozier/Washington/Hayward for deep bench guys buried on their former teams and are smacking teams all over the place.

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Deni Avdija has been balling lately. Just dropped 43/15/3 and 6 triples.

He would’ve been a great buy low candidate earlier this season.

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ruined his career

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Introspect on when a coach tells a player to play in the corner And this is what pretty much happened to Lowry after his 1st season here